Nirvana: Nevermind (1991) (...Smells like Halloween Spirits)

[0:00]In 2020 four friends decided to listen to every one of the greatest 500 albums as decided by Rolling stone magazine this resulted in a text chain that celebrated the music excoriated the Order and led us to making this podcast we are far from experts we promise to do almost no research All opinions are our own unless you disagree please sit back and enjoy beck did it better This is nirvana's grunge classic never mind and guys i think i know how this became a hit album I think it went a little something like this honey i'm going to the mall do you need anything What did you say What do you want from the mob from the mall god never mind all right man i'll get you that Nirvana album never mind are you sure it's the year 2020 and you're a 40 year old man and i'm Over here folding your laundry why can't you scream it on your sodas like your friend aaron I wish you were More like your friend aaron I'm not 40 yet i'm not as old as you

[1:00]If you want to hear from guys who chat and then they get off track I've got the perfect podcast for you jack beck did it better all right trick or treat everybody Welcome to the spooky halloween edition of beck Did it better let me welcome my three scary companions it's matt the mummy from minneapolis Say hello matt how are we doing rob thanks for having me i'm rob part van helsing and part blade From new york it's count ruscula from minnesota russ how are you doing all the animals i've Trapped have all become my pets it's okay to eat fish they don't have feelings and from oakland Zarin I had fish for dinner yesterday so i guess no feelings you're good you're good no feelings

[2:00]So you decided not to go with any more hot dogs and we've we just to let everybody know A little backstory of what's going on we have just been texting each other pictures of hot dogs We really do have a very small brain and we're just like man sounds good to me hot dogs just The joke on the podcast is also the joke in the real life at all times so it seems like Everybody's going well i'm going to go with the real life i'm going to go with the real life i'm Rolling going how's it going matt rolling going how's it going well i'm so happy because today i Found my friends and they're on this wonderful podcast so i'm extremely what's the Name of the podcast i'd love to listen to it joe rogan experience maybe you've heard of it If a kettlebell grew arms and legs and talked it's joe rogan the hell of spotify is going to Be editing our content that's right exactly i should let everybody know though before i let Matt know i'm going to be editing our content i'm going to be editing our content i'm going to Go on and blather forever that we are trying to cut this podcast down to an hour okay we have

[3:00]Heard from our fan and they told us that the podcast is getting a little bit too long and Talk about emerson yeah well he he pretty much told me afterwards he said please don't can you Just scrub out anytime you mention my name that'd be great but yeah so yeah we're trying to cut This down short so if this seems shorter and it's less of me talking about feet or hot dogs or Anything else that we've talked about over the last three months that's that's going to be why so Rolling going matt anything else to add to the rolling going no i can to pick up on last Week you know i keep trying to find some more cult videos i've finished the cult series that You've got i edited out all the cult stuff last week just to let you know because that joke bombed So thanks for listening to the edit i appreciate it well i'm consistent all right It's going good rob thank you For having me glad to be here today good that'll be a good edit point i could do that

[4:00]Russell rolling going how's it going rolling going i've kind of got a two-part rolling Going so the first one is as you guys know i'm uncle russ i'm one of the greatest uncles in the History of the world and i'm going wheel of rubbing my feet yes and i'm going down to babysit A couple of my nieces and nephews down in rochester this weekend and anytime uncle russ shows up i got To show up with something new and something fun i'm going to show up with something new and something I've told you guys once before how i came up with this board game or i came up with this big wheel Where it came up with new activities so i wanted to run by my my new idea for the new uncle russ Game and see what you guys thought of it because you have kids you can tell me good idea or bad Idea so can i run that by you quick for sure i'm here for it yeah we're here to judge we're here To judge you well i expect to be judged appropriately here what i'm gonna try to do is take the game Guess who you guys know that game guess who where you've got pictures of all these little cartoon Then you guess back and forth does your person have a hat does your person wear glasses if you

[5:00]Pull the if you pull the female right away you're screwed because you're instantly gonna lose I didn't know there was strategy this no wonder my oh yeah he keeps kicking my ass in This game i always say does this person have white hair and there's a very no no offense Russ but there's very low percentage on the board of people that have white hair so if they have White hair you're set well actually this kind of plays right into where i'm going with This so what i've decided to do is make My nieces and nephews a custom guess who game so what i did is i went and bought the guess who game And i'm taking pictures of all of their family members so their parents their brothers and Sisters their cousins their aunts and uncles and then if i don't have enough pictures of people They know i'm going to take john cena or superheroes or people that my nieces and Nephews might know but now that you say if it's a one question and it's automatically going to be Does this person have white hair yes it's uncle russ now i'm going to take a picture of my nieces I feel like i may need to go revisit what i'm doing here but what do you guys think of the idea

[6:00]Of custom guess who game with only people that your kids know i think that's awesome russell but You are going to have to pick like people who look somewhat like you to add to the board so it's not Just like does this person you know does this person have a big old beard sometimes and white Hair you know is this person slightly overweight uncle russ is this person have white hair uncle Russ who could you put on there you know does this person look way older than me Uncle russ what put on george washington well who's some other famous dudes with White hair this whole wooden teeth thing isn't going well either yeah steve martin steve Martin russell steve martin we already talked about him smelling good russell i'm so impressed With you as an uncle i have one uncle he may be listening i love him dearly but his idea Of entertaining me as a kid was when i was young he would say what do crows do when the wind blows They hang on tight and grab my leg really tight and then that graduated to what's the Capital of thailand bangkok and he would hit me in the nuts so anything you're doing is like i'm

[7:00]Sorry kirk if you're listening but i mean that was the entertainment around my uncle kirk is Not listening yeah that is classic uncle shit isn't it just like causing trouble it's like Did you what did you buy them for a gift one time russell didn't you buy them a Harmonicas or something like that i did buy my two nephews harmonicas last christmas because Because i i knew it would enrage their parents and i just wanted to see the look on their Face but they actually really like the harmonicas yeah anything with loud noises yep anything that Has to do with water particularly in the house or anything that has more than like five or six Pieces to put together that just pisses parents off so you know just get keep giving those Gifts and it'll be good if your goal is to yeah the custom guests here that's next level Yeah that is phenomenal do you worry about setting the bar too high and constantly To because this is pretty high this is up there on kind of the cool list i i i do kind of worry

[8:00]About that but i figure by the time i've run out of ideas my nieces and nephews will be old enough Where they don't really care about hanging out with me anyways there's always that so i figure I'm just gonna go for it maximize the time while uncle russ is still cool and they think uncle Russ's white hair is cool as opposed to you know four or five years from now when i i refuse To continue to go with the white hair and they're wondering hey why did why does uncle russ These cans of just for men and why did his hair change color all of a sudden it's it's when russell Has stopped dating women and now he's just dating like divorcees and so he has dyed his hair jet Black okay and he walks around and russell is walking around to this song like this is russell Walking around in this song he's like he's at the honk dog bars ladies what's going on Hey i gotta guess who gave him my i gotta guess who gave him my pants walking around with a Single guitar whenever i waffle someone with it like the powder explodes all over

[9:00]I just like to think of you being like fuck it i'm dying my hair jet black going out and picking Up divorcees at the honky tonk bar here we go what are some other board games russell that you Did you consider any other board games like sorry or have you guys ever had to play like Life with your kids you know what game my kids love to play for a while was children's monopoly Oh my god it's rough i threw it away i was like i'm not playing this anymore so i just tossed it I was like guess what i'm the dad i can do what i want good I did not consider any other games but the game that was always the big hit in our Family was the game risk have you played risk the game of world domination right where you Take your armies and you try to take over all of these countries right best 12 hours of my life The one thing i always remember about that game though as a kid was You would set up these armies and you would try to take over different countries you roll the dice But people would set up treaties so i would go to aaron and i would say aaron Do not attack me here in saskatchewan and i will not attack you in the irkutsk or somewhere right

[10:00]The irkutsk and so people would make all these treaties but eventually those treaties got to Get broken right and when people broke treaties and risk friendships were ruined family members Never wanted to speak together it was like the worst moment of board games ever when someone Broke a treaty in the game risk you know one of the biggest arguments i ever saw was with Guest emerson and his brother and my cousins when we would play risk at their place it was just a Non-stop drag out and i always thought i was so smart because i'd always just camp out in Australia like i did all my guys and then you realize like oh wait i'm screwed yeah i'm Done this is the dumbest thing i've ever done but i kept doing it over and over yeah risk is i can't Believe that your family actually i can't believe that your family paid risk russell i take that Back that seems like a very russell family thing to do it's just like 10 hours of like rolling dice And then just getting screwed up and then you're like oh my god i'm screwed up and then you're like So pissed at each other did you ever actually finish a game It's kind of like online dating right it's a ton of time yeah it never ends the way you want it to

[11:00]And at the end everybody's mad i don't think people are usually mad i would just say Disappointing and crying into their pillow at the end of the day maybe i'm confusing online Dating with my marriage i do that sometimes oh i think that's awesome russ can you when you get Done with that custom guess who can you show it to us i got we gotta see it absolutely i Would love to share it with you and the audience and i can't wait if you want a picture of me i Don't know what picture of me you're gonna put on the guess who but i think the three Of us are great guess who we all look somewhat different i think if you can find one with rob With his big afro his big curly afro that he used to have that'd be pretty sweet rolling going Aaron rolling going how's it going oh it's going good it's another heat wave here in oakland so It's 85 degrees in my house but i'm surviving okay yeah yesterday Yeah it's terrible i'm excited right now i just cracked open a green belt northeast

[12:00]A nice cold green belt northeast which i thought would be appropriate for our show tonight I know i had to look this up but i know live when i lived in minneapolis I always heard about nirvana's famous show at the uptown bar and i had to look this up it was In 1989 nirvana played the uptown in minneapolis and i thought that would be appropriate to crack A green belt in honor of all the green belts that might have been consumed at various live Shows in minneapolis over the years so i've got i got an ice cold green belt northeast i'm happy to Be drinking that and talking to you guys i love the pairing i'll drink to that rob how's it going With you oh just since you're so close i i got skills it's it's true i appreciate It i'm horribly i'm horribly depressed overworked anyway my dates work like i'll Talk for an hour and a half and then at the very end of it i'll like oh how's how's Life going for you at the very end i'll save it for that so i'm working on that i'm trying to get

[13:00]Better at it rob rolling going how's it going rolling going i'll tell you what halloween is Coming up and it is probably one of the more depressing halloweens of all time coming up Because i don't know what it's going to look like i don't know if we're going to be able to Go trick-or-treating because halloween in new york city is the best okay because a you can Drink wherever you want because you just take a subway home but b trick-or-treating itself you Elevator up to the top floor they hit all the apartments and go down a floor so literally they Can hit 200 apartments in one building in about 10 minutes how does an apartment building so I live in the suburbs matt lives in the burbs aaron i don't know if you're if they do trick-or-treating Or even allow candy in the bay area for you guys but halloween's big in the bay so the thing in Oakland is there are single streets in each neighborhood that are like The halloween street so we always drive down the hill and go to the big halloween street and it is Mayhem but yeah it's not going to happen this year but so my guess is that aaron or matt in

[14:00]Your neighborhoods in my neighborhood if you want trick-or-treaters you leave lights on how does it Work in an apartment building so they actually have a list of which apartments are participating And then you go to the front desk and get the list so we'll go down to like the 14th floor and i'll Say a b j and f and the kids just run off right and then the lady and i are drinking in the Hallway and then they come back at the apartments that are not participating or not no that would That would be a huge mistake i i that's so scary i can't even think about doing that But it's it's yeah so it's like this huge candy hall and you never have to go outside it takes No time whatsoever but halloween is coming up so i wanted to put together for you guys guess what I made a list this week oh all right well time you did something for this here we go yeah we Got matt taking quotes we got aaron doing the drink pairing we got rob's making lists who's the Who's the king it was not that bad Hard i'm not that impressed anymore by your guys's list this is the easiest thing i've ever done in my

[15:00]Whole life whenever you guys tell me you're gonna do a list it worries me because i was like oh They're gonna realize there's not a whole lot that goes into it but this is a list of the best Creepy music for halloween creepy music fuck the monster mash is not on my Halloween music list i know you thought it was going to be on there but i'm gonna tell you right Now it is absent from this list so are you ready to hear enough or why rob i i it's a putting the Halloween list i mean just it's stupid like everybody does it okay i'm too cool for that So here we go ready my scariest or yeah my i'll just say scariest music for halloween are you guys Ready song number one creatures call in search of blood michael jackson looks to be thriller This video scared the shit out of me when i was younger i love thriller for going to weddings and If they ever play this at a wedding doing like the thriller dance up and down how many weddings you go to Where they're playing thriller i've never seen that's a very strange wedding song i've seen it

[16:00]It's so good i love this song i remember i rented this video on vhs that's how old i am I rented the video on blockbuster yeah and then i would take it home and watch the video and then They had like a making of doc and everything yeah where he's putting the makeup on and the The world mask i can't believe i didn't go on more dates when i was younger i did such cool Stuff i don't know what's going on i think they want to come over and watch the making of thriller I just realized That i don't think they play thriller at weddings i think i just do the thriller dance at weddings When they play any michael jackson song and maybe that's why i haven't met any many bridesmaids at Weddings i try to do the moonwalk can't do it i'm just going to do the thriller dance And by the way for those of you that are listening to the podcast i'm doing a perfect Thriller dance it was so good it was like crazy it actually went on for 10 minutes and i edited It down but it was the whole thing but when he turned on the music i was like oh my god i'm Turned at the end and his yellow eyes oh my god scared the hell out of me but i was also like 10 Years old that's a creepy one man that's a good choice rob next one john carpenter the theme

[17:00]From halloween this is creepy if you were walking down an alley or an apartment hallway and you Heard this plane you would immediately just start running there's just no choice about it it's Something about the it's very unsettling but it also sounds like a theme song for like a true Crime show oh now the synths come in yeah now the synths are coming in Yeah very scary this is a song that scared the shit out of me mostly because of the Music video for it maryland manson beautiful people nope oh that's ridiculous isn't it he's 501 yeah just missed it and maryland manson was so scary when he watched those videos and Just terrifying and creepy and then you'd see him talk and you're like oh This was the kid from high school that everybody beat up all the time like wow this guy's not Scary at all in the least this is a deep cut but do you remember that the fresh prince of bel-air

[18:00]Will smith and dj jazzy jeff wrote a song about freddy krueger i've never heard of that yes It's scary that will smith isn't making songs like this yeah this is way scarier than monster mash I would say yeah like jazzy jeff could make a beat and the fresh i mean will smith could Really rhyme he can still rhyme i saw a couple of stuff there's a couple of videos of him With sway where he can like still lay it down you need to go out and watch the freddy krueger Will smith video guys he did a song about nightmare on elm street and it's called nightmare on my Street it's it's just wasn't even on it wasn't like a soundtrack cut was it no he just wrote a Song about it aaron you should be saying rob what the fuck are you talking about here because every Time you bring up stuff like that it's like oh my god it's like oh my god it's like oh my god it's Exactly what rob does you all the time rob what the fuck are you talking about Hey roll the left field take yeah i lost it i can't click it what i can't click it where my

[19:00]Computer is now it's way up high i can't click things as fast i'm sorry and now the scariest Song of all this is going to be when my children find out that they're probably not going to be Allowed to trick-or-treat this year due to the whole virus stuff and they come to me and they're Going to say this it's going to be the scariest thing i hear You What am I going to tell my kids when they don't get all their candy? Tell them they shouldn't have ate all those Lucky Charm marshmallows. They would have been just fine. Okay, so it turns out making a list is actually very hard. And then when you play the songs and nobody reacts, it actually is not very fun. So I will not be doing that again. Welcome to my world. Yeah, that actually really sucked. You guys were talking about trick-or-treating. Trick-or-treating as someone who's giving away candy is a very stressful thing. Like I'm not going out with kids trick-or-treating. I'm giving away candy. And so a year or two ago, a couple years ago, I decided I was going to be the house where I gave away regular-sized candy bars, right?

[20:00]Oh, Big Papa Russ. And so what I did, I went out and bought 100 regular-sized candy bars. Oh, baller. And what I also did was I bought four king-size bars. And I decided I was going to reward the four best costumes that came to my house trick-or-treating with the king-size bars. I was like, this is a brilliant idea, right? Everything's a contest. It was the worst idea I've ever had because it created so much stress for me. Because it wasn't finding the best costumes. And you guys will actually like the best costume I gave a king-size bar away to was a kid who was dressed as like an old composer like Bach or Mozart or someone. And he used a violin case as his candy box or candy bag. Nice. Yeah, I like that. So I gave him one. But where it got really stressful was kids would come up to my house and there's two kids. And I can't give. I can't give one a king-size bar and one not a king-size bar, right? Oh, yeah. But if I gave a kid a king-size bar, they would run away from my house screaming, that house has got king-size candy bars.

[21:00]Yeah. And then all these other kids come up and they're like, oh, wait, what the hell? This is not a king-size candy bar. So it was really stressful because I was worried if I handed one out, there was going to be another kid right up behind them. And they were going to realize I'm not giving all you guys king-size candy bars, only that Mozart kid. Russ, if you. If you had multiple kids like I do, you would recognize immediately that was a terrible idea. Yes, I know. I don't know. If I give one kid 1% of 1% of 1% more than the other kid, they're like, hey, what's going on? This is totally unfair. This isn't fair. They could be having the biggest bowl of ice cream. And if it's slightly less big than their sisters, they're like. He's got four chocolate chips and I've only got three. This is the worst day of my life. You're the worst dad. To take this a step further, I also would do. So I'd have the four king-size, the hundred regular. And then I just had a big bag of those little dum-dum suckers in case. I ran out of the candy bars. Oh, no. But I would run out of them. And then kids would be running away, like with a big Snickers bar, waving it around. And I'm out. And now I just got to do like the handful of the cheap suckers.

[22:00]And that got me once or twice. And I was terrified people were going to be burning dog shit on my doorstep, throwing eggs at my house or like smashing pumpkins against my window. I think what you should have done is alternated between full-size candy bars. And then those like there's like toffee or caramels that are in the brown and like. Like orange wrappers. Remember you get those? You'd be like, well, these are dog shit. I'm throwing this away. Yeah. I would alternate. And so nobody knew what's going on. They're like, this is a true house of mystery. Matt, what's going on? I was going to say, we're going to go back to the trick-or-treating. The one thing I think Wisconsin does better than Minnesota. I disagree. Neil from Lakeville told me about this is that they set up on the weekends around Halloween. So Halloween's on a weekend this year. So it doesn't fit. But on Saturday and Sunday, each neighborhood sets a time during a Saturday. A Saturday or a Sunday during the day to set up trick-or-treating. So from 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, that is trick-or-treating time on Irving and Humboldt Avenue kind of a thing.

[23:00]Like that is the smartest thing ever. Like we're walking around. You've got 18 kids that are three feet high in costumes that they can't see. You've got cars going back and forth. You've got parents drinking wine out of flasks and stuff like that. It is like the worst thing in the world to do it at night. And so the one thing I think Wisconsin. Oh, it is so strange. You're talking about stressful. You're talking about trying to make sure your kids don't fall down hills and that people have fires and dogs are barking and everything. So I don't know. I'm going to give kudos to Neil in Lakeville. Don't go down that hill. Give me that butterscotch candy, that old lady candy. We have friends who host every year. And I look forward to it. It's one of the best nights of the year that we have friends who host on one of these big Halloween streets where the whole street is just decorated to beat all. Yeah. It's where people go to trick or treat. And if you're when you're trying to survive that 3.30 to 6.30 p.m. Stretch as a parent, it's just so good to know that you have a place to go.

[24:00]And then you're going to come home and try to put the kid to bed. But last year we went, these friends of ours were hosting. Another friend of ours showed up with a bag of those individually wrapped dill pickles, like the whole dill pickles. What? It was not his house. What the hell? All right. Goodbye, California. Get it ready. Finish the story. Get it ready. Get it ready, Rob. Aaron's not allowed to criticize Rob anymore. Aaron's put himself right back in. Hold on. Hold on. He's getting ambitious. Let him finish. This is good. This is good. So this friend of mine who didn't live at this house showed up with this bag of individually wrapped pickles and was trying to put them in the bucket with the candy for everyone else. And the guy who owned the house was like, oh, no. No, no. We're not going to be known as the pickle house. Get those out of here. It was candy sabotage. I love that idea. Yeah. Yeah. And the guy who said no is like a very mild-mannered guy. He would never. Like, show out for any reason. But he was like, absolutely not. We're not going to be the pickle house. But that is the one thing that my two-and-a-half-year-old son brought home from Halloween was a big pickle, which, like, we just had wrapped sitting in our house for, like, a year.

[25:00]Because we're like, what the fuck are we going to do with this? I mean, that's got to be right next to the bag of razor blades they give away, too, huh? Go to, like, Russell's front porch. He's sitting in his house with a big thing of huge candy bars. And meanwhile, we've put a bowl of pickles on his front porch with a sign that says, please don't ring the doorbell. Just take a pickle. Just take a pickle. And just everybody's so pissed at Russell. He's like, what's going on here? I have all these candy bars. Why is everybody mad at me? Do you guys remember the house when we were kids where people weren't home and they would leave, like, a grocery bag out and they would put all this candy in there and say, please take one? The question is, would you and your buddies take the whole bag or take one? I would always take one. I'm a good person. I feel strongly about that, actually. I don't know if I ever came across one where it said it. I think it was always gone by the time I got there. Somebody else had always already taken it. That was the problem, right? Being the fat kid is that, like, they'd always be like, hey, you. And I'd be like, no, I took one. I really did, sir. While you're throwing all the wrappers in the bushes as you're walking home, right?

[26:00]All right. So let's get into the album. I want to talk a little bit about Nevermind. I'm not going to lie. I don't know anything about this album. I am feeling very lost. I'm feeling like a babe in the woods. And it feels good, okay? I like the way it feels. It gives me some strange feelings, and I love it. But basically, talking about Nirvana, if you look at the history of Nirvana, This is a band that made every single decision they made coming up was a good one. And there's so many chances where you would think a band like this Would have a chance to make a bad decision. Every single one they made was great. They formed in 87 up in Washington with a bassist, Chris Novoselic, And Kurt Cobain. And Kurt Cobain was like, oh, you're a good bassist. You should join me. You've got to join my band. And so the guy was like, okay, what's your band name? He's like, my band name is Fecal Matter. No. Okay? So then they were going to change it, and then Kurt Cobain was like, We're going to change our name. We're going to call ourselves Skid Row. And so I was like, well, no, that name already exists. That band has been huge for a long time.

[27:00]You need to change your Halloween costume this year. You cannot go as Fecal Matter again. You've done it too many years in a row. But I've got a brown sweater and big baggy brown pants. What else am I supposed to do? And this was the first time they had Dave Grohl on drums, Which on this album, I think we got a text chain going Where it's just the drumming is absolutely amazing. And the key to Nirvana is that their goal on this album Is they said they wanted to make the songs like children's songs. They wanted to make them simple. They wanted to make it easy to kind of, Not really to sing along with, Because what they do is they have these really quiet verses And then these really loud choruses, But it was like these pop hooks mixed with noise. And this album, Nevermind, came out, and it peaked at number one. It hit number one on the Billboard 200, Thanks to MTV playing this video approximately, One million times. And pretty much this is the end of hair metal, right? This is the album that killed hair metal forever. And then I was shocked to know, so this album came out in 91.

[28:00]I had forgotten that Kurt Cobain died in 94 And that MTV Unplugged, which is the album I really know, Nirvana, That's the album I listen to a lot more. I don't think I ever listened to this album until just this year. That was actually a posthumous album. I didn't realize that. I mean, I saw it. Was Nirvana Unplugged on the list? Yep. But that was kind of a seminal moment for us being music fans as kids, right? Is Nirvana Unplugged has got to be right up there With one of the most kind of memorable performances that we have, At least as teenagers, right? Yeah. Well, and for me, that's how I thought of Nirvana was that Unplugged album. And to be honest, all their harder stuff, it scared me. Like people that listen to Nirvana, I thought it was like hard, scary rock. And this was right when I was back in my big Bob Marley phase And my like classic rock phase. And I didn't listen to Nirvana because I thought it was like, I don't know, just super scary, like punk music. It's number 279. And I think I had a little different take on the Unplugged.

[29:00]The first one that I heard was some, who's the gal who sang? Wilson Phillips. Yeah. No, there was an Unplugged by a gal who sang, And that song was always on the radio. I know we'll come up with it later, but And it was kind of this crowd in the background clapping, And it was just like. Tracy Chapman. Is that who it was? I have no idea, Matt. We're trying to help you. I know. You might be thinking of Natalie Merchant, 10,000 Maniacs. Yeah, I bet that's it. I bet that's it. And so that's what I remember as Unplugged. But then like Nirvana did it, and Eric Clapton Like he had Layla, was it Layla that was really popular? Tears in Heaven, too. And then Tears in Heaven and then Pearl Jam. And I never liked them. You know, I don't know. I always thought it was I would much rather listen to this album as opposed to Unplugged. But I get that. Because of the popularity of it. I can't believe I didn't listen to this album growing up. I mean, this should be right. When you're like an 11-year-old, 12-year-old, 13-year-old, This album is like right down the wheelhouse.

[30:00]It's like the perfect album to be a teenager and be like, Yeah, I am a by myself. Everything does suck. Like that's how I felt. I should have been listening to this music. Instead, I was listening to Bob Marley, Something that I could not relate to in any sense at all. No woman, no cry, Rob. No woman, no cry. Before we get into the album, I want to talk very quickly about the cover. And I know the cover claims, Wikipedia claims this is one of the most famous album covers of all time. In my mind, This is an album cover that the kids in middle school Who always think they're smarter than the teachers look at And they're like, this is really great art. Like this really makes me think. I always look at it and I'm kind of like, Yeah, it's kind of over the top. What do you guys think of this album cover? It's pretty iconic. It's memorable, right? I mean, it's not that if you said What's the album cover that really captures your mind for me, It's always Biggie, Ready to Die. But that also has a baby on the front. So I don't know. Maybe there's something about putting babies on album covers That like really captures people's imagination. I think you listen to the album And then you look at the album cover again.

[31:00]You're like, ah, I get it. You know what I mean? Like they're kind of talking about all this material stuff And it makes sense. And I think it is absolutely one of the better covers to ever come out. I mean, does anybody even look, Nobody even looks at that stuff anymore. I don't know. Mac, explain further. I don't really understand where the connection is here. Well, The whole album to me is about I feel stupid and contagious. I'm not popular Screw all the popular people, all this stuff. Right. And it's about, I grew up and I'm not going to be your little rag doll. I'm not going to I'm not going to conform to what you want me to be. And you've got this little baby and he's going after a dollar. Right. And so that's it. Now, does it have to be a little baby, But it's just kind of society in general is floating along, Reaching for that dollar that's on a hook that's constantly being pulled away From you. Does that make sense? Oh, I thought they were going to hook the baby when he grabbed the dollar. I thought they were like fishing for babies. I was terrified. This album cover terrified me. I took it totally differently.

[32:00]Well, Of course Geffen thought this, This album cover was a terrible idea and they wanted to adjust it. So you couldn't see the penis on the baby. And so, Kurt Cobain said, Yeah, That's fine. We'll take, We'll edit out the penis, But you have to put on a sticker that says, If you're offended by this, You're a closet pedophile. And I thought that was, But I mean that, I thought that was a great move because, He's like, Yeah, Okay, Fine, Do it. But this is what we're going to do. And I'm telling you every, Like, Again, Every single decision they make is a great decision. This album, For example, The guy who mixed it, They, Nirvana came back and said, We hate the way it sounds. It sounds way too clean. We don't like it. And then all of a sudden it's just, I mean, It's what really makes this album. I think is that it's a combination of grunge, But yet it's like crystal clear grunge somehow, If that makes sense. You know, The album cover is like classic. That's what I think about listening to it. I thought, You know, Like the Nirvana kids were like sad and angry. You know, When they all look purple, When you were wearing your purple sunglasses, I would think they look, They look like that guy grimace from the McDonald's McDonald's restaurant.

[33:00]Like they wouldn't look sad and angry if you're wearing, Looking at it through purple sunglasses, But listening now, I know that I know all of these songs, So I must've heard them. And the videos for sure really stick in my mind. I can remember watching, The smells like teen spirit video with the, Closed captions underneath. Well, That, Like MTV was like, We're going to put the lyrics at the bottom. So people know the lyrics. But yeah, Listening now. And so I thought of them as like these guys who don't give a shit. And when you think about grunge music, I thought about like, They don't care about, You know, Anything. And then they've got this do it yourself attitude. And then you listen to this album and it's pristine. There's not a note out of place. Every detail is thought through. So I find that really, Fascinating sort of juxtaposition. And I had the wrong idea of them as artists in my mind. I think until I had listened again, I watched a documentary called Nirvana, Nevermind classic albums, Where it's essentially like an hour long documentary of it. But that is one thing they said is like, This is, You wouldn't really expect it,

[34:00]But this is a very commercial album, Right? It's very well produced and everything. It's not what I was really expecting when I listened, Listened back to it right now. Yeah. It's pop music. Well, I was just going to say, It's like the perfect blend of punk pop music. There's a lot of eighties, Hair, Metal, Guitar, And drums in there. And then you, You just put, You put kind of that, The clean, Tracks on top of that and how they cleaned it all up. And it's kind of like this perfect fusion that came together at the right Time to, To kind of just take over. I think the MTV world more than anything, Because it attracted anybody who watched MTV, You know, At least listen to this song. They didn't just turn it off and say, This is whole, This is horrible. So I think it's a perfect blend of all of them. Well, I'll tell you what, If you want to hear, If you want to hear why the song, If you, If you weren't around during this time and you want to hear why, Why this album took off on MTV, Just listen to the opening of it. First five seconds. It's a song that any starting guitar player could play.

[35:00]But every time you hear it, I'm hooked. There we go. Girls, Girls, Girls. Yeah. They sound, Those sound like guns and roses guitars to me. You know, That kind of like warm, Thick sound. Now listen to this quiet verse. Every single one of these songs, Quiet verse, Is loud choruses. It's the ultimate hook. It's the secret to writing a great song. So good. I think this Rolling Stone named this as the number nine greatest song ever. So I'm not, We can probably talk about where this ranks all time, But I think one thing that's really interesting is when you talk about how This kind of brought in grunge, The grunge movement and made it a little more mainstream. When you look at, When you look at the songs that are on the billboard, Hot 100 at the time, And then this rose up kind of out of nowhere. And it all of a sudden, This song smells like teen spirit became the number six song on the hot 100. But if you look at the top five songs on the top 100 at the time,

[36:00]It is completely different and revolutionary compared to what was at the time. So I thought what we could do is listen to real quick. What were the top five songs when this song made it to number six, Just to give you a feel for where does it lay with the other really popular music at the time? I got to say, Russell sent me this, This list. And I was, I always try to figure out what Russell's angle is going to be on the list. And I looked at this list and I was like, What the fuck is he talking about with these songs? I was like, I have no idea. This list makes no sense to me. This is a wild list. So it smells like teen spirit made it to number one on the alternative list, But this is just hot 100. So these are like, To me, The big songs of the time. So the number five song of the time from the Oakland area, MC hammer to legit to quit. Oakland's own hammer. Every time I see a fancy car in downtown, Oakland, I just pray that it's going to be hammer, But I still have never seen them except for the warriors parade. I saw him in the warriors parade, But I've never seen him in his car. I just do the two legit hand signal to every car just in case you were just in case.

[37:00]Yeah. I'm just ready. Anytime, Man. All right. And then there's the, And then there's the verse that nobody knows. Yeah. The hottest chorus. Then he starts saying, We're like, Okay, Next song. So MC hammer was at number five. Number four was boys to men. It's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. Oh my God. Just crying. I'm just crying. This song stresses, This song stresses me out because it makes me realize how many slow dances I missed out On. I watched so many like popular people, Middle school, Slow dance, This song. Oh my God. It's just, This song just hits me right in the cardiovascular every time. Number three on the list at the time was Mariah. Carrie can't let go. I don't even know. This song. You guys know what God. Oh, Now I know it, But as you can see, These stars are wildly different.

[38:00]They're very honest. So if you go to number two, We've got color me bad all for love. Oh, I like this beat. I should know who they're sampling. I'm going to embarrass myself by not knowing Aaron. Now be honest with us. Aaron, Did you ever dress like color me bad? In high school? Come on, Tell us you did. I, Yeah, I mean, Definitely like when I could first shave, I tried to like do some kind of like Kevin love style, But I mean, This is another visual joke. Like I still can't do it. Call me bad style. God, I wish I was attractive in high school. My life would be so different. Oh my God. And then the number one song of the time. And it's interesting because Nirvana is this album eventually made it to Number one in the album. It knocked off was also by Michael Jackson, But the number one song of the time was black or white by Michael Jackson. Yeah. Off the day. And you're a cell. Yeah. Is this slash playing the solo on this? Yeah. On the guitar. I mean, I don't know if he's doing the rhythm guitar. I think all these songs are awesome,

[39:00]But it really gives you a feel of how Nirvana was so much different than all these songs. These artists. And when you look at the top 50 at the time, It's essentially all these pop artists. And then there's like one Metallica song, One guns and roses song, But it's all pop songs at the time. So you can kind of see where like, Nirvana kind of came out of nowhere, Became this mainstream group when you're looking at the other, The other songs that were really popular at the time. Yeah. Where a whole group of people needed music to listen to that spoke to them, Right? It's pretty wild that you were like, It's like, Oh, What concert should I go to? There's color me bad, Or there's Nirvana. Which one do I want to go see? I like them both equally said, No one ever. All right. Number two on the album. And I, I've got to tell you guys, I listened to this album, I've listened to it at work while I'm grading papers. And then I listened to it tonight, Coming back from the gym. Yeah, No big deal. And I was like, Oh, This first song, Of course smells like teen spirit. Great. Second song. I was like, God damn,

[40:00]This song is great too. Third song. Great. I was like the fourth song. It great. This has got to be one of the best starts to an album ever. Oh, In bloom. One thing that Aaron had touched on a few weeks ago is he was talking about Nirvana And Kurt Cobain being into John Lennon and Matt at the time, Called him out on it, Or Rob, You called him out on it and said, I don't think so. But I have to say when I was watching this documentary, It turns out that the producer for this record would double track Cobain's vocals to bring A little more out. And every time Cobain would fight him on it, But he would say, Hey, Guess what? John Lennon would double track. And every time he would tell him that he would agree to it. So I, I feel like you guys, Maybe, Oh, Aaron, An apology for doubting his knowledge about whether Kurt Cobain was a B-line. Yeah. Kurt Cobain was a Beatles fan. All right. Let's see what Emerson, Let's see what Emerson says about this argument. Rob's right. Oh, Thank you, Emerson. I even thought about that on, On tracks like this, After we talked about Abbey road and we really got into John's sort of edgy,

[41:00]Angry guitar sound. I think a lot of, I think Kurt Cobain is a better guitarist than John Lennon, But I think he's using that kind of like Lennon style, Angular guitar sound, A sound on this song and, And some others. So I think he's definitely influenced. I loved, I loved the guitar playing on this album. I'm telling you, This album was one of the first ones we've done where I haven't heard it at all. I just fell in love with it. It's just the whole sound of it. Just one other really cool thing about this song. So after Cobain died, I don't think that Nirvana, The two surviving members got together very often. My understanding is they've only gotten together to perform 12 or 13 times since then over the last 20 years or so, But they got together recently in 2020. And so Rob, If you could maybe pull this up, They actually got together at this, This event in early 2020, And they sang five or six songs. They performed five or six songs with Annie Clark from St. Vincent's that as a band, I'm not familiar with.

[42:00]They also got together with Beck and Beck performed in bloom with Dave Grohl and Nova Sledge or whatever the bass player's name is. And so I got to ask you guys, When it comes to Nirvana reunions, Who does it better? Oh boy. Beck did it better. By the way, Who recorded this? It sounds like Aaron's old recordings that he used to do for the podcast. It sounds like he's there with his phone. I can't even tell you how much time I tried finding a better version of this and could not do it, But I thought it was pretty cool that they have not performed together many times. And the one time they've done it, It was with Beck playing the guitar and singing vocals on in bloom. Next one. Guys, Guess what? It's another banger. Come as you are. I mean, Listen to this. This is also the only lick I've ever learned how to play on guitar. You can play this, Sir. I can play the, Just that beginning bit. Yeah. Oh, Worth it.

[43:00]Why not? This is great. The one thing I heard that was really cool about this is that they talk about music versus lyrics. We've always talked about lyrics before. And the one thing that Dave Grohl said about, Well, Cobain was, He would say, Music comes first, Lyrics come second. And one thing you really get from listening to the, The lyrics of Nirvana is I don't really understand what they're saying all the time, But their lyrics give you a feeling. The way they sing gives you a feeling. So I don't think it always matters what the lyrics are. It's the way they're singing them, Right? Well, That's good. Cause I can't understand Jack shit at what they're saying on this album. So I'm glad. I don't know what any of these songs are about. I'm, I'm impressed that Matt really is able to take away as much of it as he, As he does, Because I don't understand what most of it's about. There is one thing. The reason I think Aaron probably knows the, The guitar lick to this is because Nirvana actually ripped this off from someone. Did you guys know that? I did not. So Rob, If you could pull up killing joke eighties. Oh yeah.

[44:00]So Cobain was initially really hesitant to release this song. Come as you are, Because they took it from this band and then eventually they did it. And I think the band never sued him or anything, But they were always kind of pissed about it, But you don't ever hear about Nirvana taking stuff from anyone else, But I figured we had to bring it up, Right? They definitely did. Wow. Wow. And the band is called eighties. The, Either the song or the band is something killing joke eighties. I don't really know what the combination is. Are they on the list? Matt, Look up killing joke and eighties. See if either one of those people are on the list. Nope. All right. I have a one song. Number four breed. It's a banger. It's a banger. Is this making fun of parents? Is this saying like we could buy a house and plant a tree and we don't have To have kids and we'd be fine. Is that what he's saying? That's it. If it's making fun of parents, I'm stopping it.

[45:00]And I think he is right. Yeah. Okay. Things making fun of parents, Making fun of kind of the classic American high school lifestyle. And how he doesn't fit in. And, You know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to join that crowd. I never will. We'll get into some of the lyrics and a couple of these other songs, But you know, There it's just, It's a, It's one constant song after the other, That it's not the eighties hair metal, You know, Fall in love with girls, Girls, Girls. I'm, I'm riding my Corvette over to the football game, Stuff like that. You know, It's the exact opposite of that, And so that's where I think there's just this huge population out there That even if you take one or two lyrics out of it, Right. I mean, Even like come as you are, Come as you are, Come as you were, You know what I mean? Just things like that. If you just kind of break that down into a simple, This is the, This is a lyric that talked to me. I mean, You can, You can take it forever with that. So I'm so jealous of people that could just be like,

[46:00]I don't care what's popular. Everyone should just do what they want. I didn't figure that out until I was like, Oh, I don't know, 38 years old. Like I, My daughter's like that where she doesn't care what anybody's doing. She just does her own thing. And I'm like, God, That you are so lucky to have that figured out. I, So much of my stress in life was caused by me, Like not sitting at the right lunch table or not getting the right cohost for a podcast. Yeah. Rob, The lack of popularity for this podcast hasn't stopped you one bit. No, That's why I figured it out. I do what I want, No matter what. And another two hours. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. And that's why I made a second list of scary Halloween songs. And this one is just the monster mash. All right. Next up. Everybody's favorite kind of battery lithium. Aaron's like, My wife doesn't let me have batteries in the house.

[47:00]Song. All bangers And all like Pretty distinctly Different like You can hear how much Nova Selleach and Grohl just have Mind-meld on some of these things. They're just so together on this. It's very cool Well, they said Grohl was the big addition to this album that really changed Nirvana in general and you can hear it on this I mean, it's just the drums are pretty unbelievable when you really listen to him Is Dave Grohl more famous for being the drummer of Nirvana or the lead of Foo Fighters? Now I think he's famous for being Dave Grohl now, but yeah, I knew I still think him as the drummer I remember when he started the Foo Fighters and I was like, it's this how is this gonna work that and then they just had I mean you realize like he's he must be like a genius, right? I saw an interview with him where I think it was with Howard Stern They were asking him about Kurt Cobain and at the time He didn't really he was doing his own writing and everything, but Stern asked him

[48:00]What do you think would have happened with your career had Kurt Cobain never died with you? Have always been the drummer from Nirvana where you never got to bring your own music. You never wrote your own stuff It was really interesting. I Read because we talked so much about the drumming. I read a pretty I suppose it was fairly extensive biographical sketch of Dave Grohl and I should let you guys know this ahead of time Dave Grohl's dad was a floutist not a jazz floutist But Dave Grohl's dad was a classically trained floutist and then let's start over had all these musical influences in his life It was you know multi instrumentalist and you know studied John Bonham and other famous drummers But also played guitar when he was starting at age like six. So he was obviously a great musician Is anyone even sure that a floutist is a real term or is it just a term that Aaron uses? I'd never literally never heard it until a few weeks ago. I went to a Mexican restaurant the other day

[49:00]All right, next up we've got Polly and I Don't even know what to say. It's good And this isn't I mean this is just acoustic right it's a whole different Switch you can't wait for you keep waiting for like the distortion to drop in Doesn't here goes my favorite spot right here Of all the great Drumming that Dave Grohl does on this entire record. I love his work on Polly so much I think I know he does the background vocals the harmonies But I think he plays the symbol maybe what like four times on here And it's I think of everything he does I just love to imagine him Sitting with his eyes closed with his headphones on just waiting for the right moment Splashing that beautiful cymbal sound getting it perfect and then just going back into like his trance and then doing it I think he does it three or four times on the track. It's so perfect. We talked about his drumming I think his drumming makes the album, but I love the minimalist work on this song so much

[50:00]To prepare for this podcast. I got a very I got an email from Aaron And like I was kind of alarmed because I was worried. I don't give me Russ's emails I kind of look at him later or whatever, but Aaron's emails. I'm like, holy cow What's going on with Aaron and Aaron's like you got to get it right to the cymbal part right here? I was like, wait, let me play it again. I didn't I must not have heard it correctly Yeah, Aaron's like, oh my god, it's cymbal so good. I was like, it's so perfect It just like it makes the song for me. I don't know It's just like one of those little details that like really grabbed my attention Is this almost a perfectly constructed album with the songs that are on the album? Matt's the expert on construction. I Think it drags at the end But yeah, but that's at the end. I mean, yeah, but I mean, we've heard a few that I mean they go out Wonderfully, I think this one kind of drags at the end but for the second album and kind of going into a new Genre it's not like this is their fourth album playing this way with Dave Grohl and everything like that

[51:00]I mean as a More or less their first album they've done because the With Dave Grohl specifically. Yeah, it's great. It's phenomenal. I mean, it's it'll be hard to replicate Going into I mean, they did it with number two, but it's hard. I don't know I you know when I was younger, I was actually big into fecal matter the earlier band But it that was hard because I go into a record store saying do you guys have any fecal matter? I Before we move on to the next song I have to ask Aaron What do you think of Kurt Cobain's voice as a singer? What does it resonate with you or where does he rank kind of in the singer and in how you view his singing abilities? Yeah, it's like it's the kind of thing where I never thought about it I know that I listen to these songs a lot and I didn't I didn't think about it But now when you listen and you try to sing along I have the same feeling as when I try to sing along with Paul McCarty singing Oh darling, we're like, oh this shit is hard like he's really doing work here

[52:00]So he's he's a much better singer than I ever Realized as a kid Matt if you had to pick one Nirvana song to sing for karaoke, which would you pick? Probably this next one That's that's Matt's way of moving the That's like I gotta get that I'm a mean old man. So you go up to the person say can you please pull out territorial pissing? I could make it all the way to the end. I Couldn't that would be impressive So this is what I thought Nirvana was when I saw everyone wearing like Nirvana shirts. Did Nirvana sell more shirts in any other band ever? Do you think? Yeah, this voice is just beat the hell here, right? It really in a good way like it it connects with you But man and if you had if you read a history of Nirvana There's quite a few times where they had to cancel shows because his voice was just totally shot like you could imagine

[53:00]Number one drain you listen these drums This is where it starts to tail off for me a little bit This is what I play whenever I have a clog in my drain and I've got to pour that Drano down there And I'm like drain you The idea that Russell has a song for every household Tory does I do not think that would be a crazy thing Time to sweep better put on I don't think I have a song for when I believe Matt or either someone He hired came in and cleaned out the gutters of my house at some point within the last few weeks That definitely happened. That was me actually Drain you a lot this week and I was like why Why would I listen to drain you? Do I have this like weird Pavlovian response to want to listen to the gin blossoms? I don't know What that's about but every time I heard drain you I was like man

[54:00]I kind of want to listen to the gin blossoms which has never happened to me before in my life ever But I really wanted to listen to hey jealousy every time I heard drain you Rosie you're in luck because I got the gin blossoms right here Like I get distracted I was like I gotta hear some gin blossoms What the fuck are you talking about? I know? I don't know. It's a gin blossom a drink or a flower I think it's a Gin comes from a drink with a flower in it gin comes from like an elderberry, right? That sounds nice Yeah, or no juniper berry. So there's no gin. So why do you connect the gin blossoms with that song here? And I don't know it's some kind of subconscious thing something about those two songs just relate to themselves to me And I don't know what it is. I think about that. I usually go see a lounge act. I Can't handle Rob. I can't handle Rob with his new audio set up where we can't see him

[55:00]He's like pointing down with his pointer finger on the mouth. This has got to stop Rob. I Don't care. Well, I'm gonna go out and be a lounge act Matt, what do you think of this one? Well this is kind of nice here, but then I don't know if we get away kicks up Lyrics all of a sudden he gets really going This stuff hooks you He's the catchy I mean, it's again, it's a pop album right with a bunch of heavy guitars and awesome drumming behind it And that's what I think the big attraction. Yeah, what do you think the definition of grunge music is and How long was your grunge phase that you went through? Let's see. I'm 40 39 39

[56:00]He takes off his I mean, I don't know. That's what I always think the grunge I mean, listen to Pearl Jam stuff. Is it really grunge? I mean, they've got some grunge songs and they got some really Soft cheesy songs too. So what is grunge? I don't know like a breed Grunge is if you wear a t-shirt with a flannel shirt open with you with unbuttoned buttons So if you have a t-shirt doc Martin's flannel shirt open shirt, that means you're grunge and the The lens on your music video looks like there's water running down over the lens Maybe there's some kind of animal that's unrelated to the song itself, then that's grunge How about a wallet chain too? Yeah, definitely need a wallet chain. Yeah, Rob. I bet Rob I think you have a wallet chain. Don't you? Oh, yeah. Well I Vans you're very grunge Rob as a night job. I am a manager at Spencer gift. So I do get certain

[57:00]It is a valid question. I think it is much more of a style than it is like a music Cality kind of a thing. It's just much more of a lifestyle than it is And I think the music kind of just goes along with the lifestyle more than anything So it's hard to define. So what is the grunge lifestyle? Just like it's not like being dirty, is it? I don't I don't understand. It scares me. I'm scared. I think it's if you play hacky-sack pelt where when you catch them Throw it at people if you play hacky-sack I don't throw it at people after you've hit it five times not grunge We used to do that all the time in middle school and a guy just texted me that I used to do that with two weeks ago He said my I was telling my kids about playing pelt and they said you are insane and I was like, yeah That wasn't saying actually Imagine if you have to wear an eye patch these days because you got hit by a hacky-sack and the eye playing pelt Everybody be like you're the biggest dummy in the whole world idiot When I got hit in the eye with the hacky-sack it ruined my whole sophomore junior year was terrible That's what Aaron's wearing those glasses the purple linen glasses are actually safety glasses

[58:00]From the hacky-sack we just know I had it if if my kid wanted to play pelt what I'd tell her You should go be a lounge act. No, she should stay away Ah He gets the transition How many episodes are we in now like 22 episodes for albums if Rob finally got the transition This is a song that starts out really corny Like the actual song itself is just phenomenal. It kind of reminds me of a of Danny, California You know Danny California by the red-eyed chili peppers, so it's out really hokey You know me to get to the refrain and it just absolutely bangs and that's what I think 2006

[59:00]We can't really rip I think Fiona Apple has multiple albums in the top 100 at this point So she's badass. Don't get don't get it twisted. I think I met her once on a plane Are you kidding? I said, I think I met her once on a plane And she told me stay away So you guys know I take notes for all these This is one of my favorites on my notes on this one because I'm not allowed to comment on too many songs. My notes are NA Not a plane. Would you so we've had We've had two plane songs now, right? Would you listen to this song Joni Mitchell's version of this flight tonight or Nazareth's cover of this flight tonight, which was Nazareth's cover of this flight tonight. I've listened to at least a thousand times I thought you're gonna say Marvin's gay flying high in the friendly sky

[1:00:00]That's come on my Alexa a couple times when my kids just plays music She goes play music I like and then it's Marvin gay fly high in the friendly sky a song all about heroin I'm like, let's go to the next time maybe All right And then when I try to get there Oh what I I was scooping out some protein the other day out of a bin And there's all this there's like these metal chunks in my protein and I told my wife. I said there's something in the way Oh Whatever did she say it really softly like this job where you had to like really pay attention and listen to her because Sometimes when people do things softly it really draws you in I'm gonna ask you not to talk like that anymore Russell. Okay. That's gonna be a request I make for this podcast I think one of the really cool things about this song is I I read or saw in this documentary that Cobain wasn't getting this right. They weren't getting it the way they wanted So he went out and he laid in the control room and he just started playing this while he's laying on his back And so the producers like just keep doing that and he pulls out these microphones

[1:01:00]They essentially record the majority of the song with him just laying in the control room playing it on his back But it's like this really quiet sound and I think you know, I was kind of mentioning that Sometimes when people speak softly, that's what really draws you in and catches your attention and I love this song I thought it was fantastic I thought it was going to be a I guess some kind of Beatles reference When I I hadn't listened all the way through the album for so long and I thought it was going to be a reference to Something and then it really isn't I thought you were going to say something in the way she moves Wait, is that the same song as something? We just did it last we just did that album two days I think it's just called something right? I don't know. Maybe I'm right. Yeah, I fuck that up. It doesn't matter I'm editing this out so I look smart and you know what I'm going to edit in Rob's right. Thank you very much and I appreciate that All right, and by the way this song sucks my balls, but I don't like it. This is the worst song in the album This was hard to listen to yeah, I'd like I think it's cool that they were able to

[1:02:00]Include this like Okay, five minutes left. There's only five minutes left for this clip Oh my god He was laying with his head in a garbage can for that one. I don't know what's going on there. What do you think of the finale on this one? So again, it It's the whole album is great except it just it goes out with a whimper the 12 and 13 or Horrible songs Yeah, you don't like something in the way No, I think something in the way is one of the better. I gotta listen to it again I I think something in the way is one of the best three or four songs on the album I think it's great song. Yeah, what? He says it's okay to eat fish because they don't have feelings like he's really like on some other wavelength I would say that it's it's it's a top 10 song in the on the album I would say it's in the top 15 easy. Yeah, I mean it's better than that. Wow jack for sure Oh my god, that's no, Matt's totally right. I love this album until you get to the end

[1:03:00]I listen to that endless nameless once just so I could say listen to it and then every other time it came up You couldn't you couldn't hit the skip button fast enough to go back to smells like teen spirit By the way, why is it called smells like teen spirit? I heard I saw in the documentary that at one point there was a a female kind of Alternative artists who made some sort of comment about his His deodorant and then spray painted it on the wall So she said that Cobain smells like teen spirit, but we probably want to check that because I'm sure our listeners gonna know way more about nirvana than I am But I I feel like she spray painted something on the wall about his deodorant and that's kind of where they took the name from Oh man, have you found yourself recently as an adult going out and forgetting you put to put on deodorant that day I know erin probably doesn't wear deodorant like or he wears what do you have for deodorant? Let me guess erin. Let me guess what you have for deodorant. Do you have tom's of main deodorant? With no alien name in it. I have tom's of main toothpaste, but not tom's of main deodorant

[1:04:00]I I don't wear deodorant very often. Although I find those smell worse as I get older And I do have a nice stick of deodorant that my lady bought for me at the natural, pharmacy So I I put it on okay, wait Shut up. You might have to heat that up in the microwave, which you You might have a problem with that. What the hell is a natural pharmacy? Is that like a drug dealer? You get your essential oils and That the FDA never bothered to Yeah, but they got their own they get it's like they've got a regular pharmacy counter where you can go get your You know I'll leave and all of that and then you can get you know natural deodorant No, stop saying we don't know what a natural pharmacy is. I don't have aluminum in it Things like that if you told me everyone who works at the natural pharmacy is naked. I would be like, okay, that makes sense A natural pharmacy. Is there just like coconuts around like I don't get what is natural about it?

[1:05:00]And also you don't wear deodorant every day. That's wild to me. I don't I would get fired. I would get fired in two days I didn't wear deodorant today to work. I pulled out. I have like three sticks in my desk just for that moment because it If you're a teacher and you have one day where you stink That's a career either for the rest of your career. You're the sneaky teacher Rob isn't that way that you've had like 10 different teaching positions over the years You forgot your deodorant one day. You're like, honey, we gotta move you gotta find a new job I'm gonna edit this out But I do want to tell you when Jenny and I taught in a school together I let a kid go to the bathroom once and later that day I went to the bathroom and I saw on the wall. So be a graffiti that says miss has nice tits and I want to hold them We we mean I like the second part. It's so sweet. It's so sweet and gentle. It needs to be bleep Rob This is our bleep joke of the week. It's so sweet and gentle. Just like a nice tender It was like so sweet

[1:06:00]This is our bleep joke of the week bleep joke of the week. Oh, yeah Very funny Let's get into the part of the podcast where we grade this album and we use my very simple grading scale Is this song rolling? Album No, we're gonna go song by song Okay, let's start with and let's name us Is this album rolling well toned? Is this album rolling boned? It's too low on the list. It should have been higher than Six, or is it a rolling bone? This album is too high up on the list Matt, what do you think? You know for the albums that we've have Gone through I think is this rolling bone. I think the Top 500 albums that the top 10 should have Genre defining

[1:07:00]Cataclysmic shifts and music defining You know Moving from hair The kind of the hair metal 80s into the grunge of the 90s and everything that's come after that This album absolutely did that even if you know, they weren't the first ones to kind of do it This is the mainstream one that That made that transition. So I think this album got rolling boned by being placed where it is. It should be higher Wow, this is one of the first rolling bone that we've had russell. What do you think? You know, I where was this at the first time we listened to a matt 18 or something on the first list 17 I think 17. I think one of the when we started this quest I remember texting you guys and saying we've listened to all these Beatles albums these other albums that were in the top 15 And I said, holy shit. This is way different than these other albums. It was just in your face It just rocks really hard And so I think that It's hard to really decide. Hey, is this one of the four or five greatest albums ever

[1:08:00]So i'm going to say it's rolling well toned because to me it completely It just flips everything we've listened to on its head right now. It's so hard. It's so intense And it probably resonates with us more admittedly because This was really big when we were kids. This was really big when we were teenagers and into music And so I think it probably resonates with us more than maybe the stevie wonder album would or the joanie mitchell album would But I think it's definitely rolling tone. It deserves to be in the top five to ten It's fun to do. It's fun to do an album that we remember coming out, right? And when we're talking about the history It's like, oh, yeah, I remember seeing this on mtv. I think this is fun Yeah, that was rob smart thing of the week that he said you dumb shit. God damn it It's fun. Yeah, okay. Yeah, thank you Erin, what do you think of the album? And I want to remind you that I have not come up with a rhyming word yet So please take your time so I can think of one and we're gonna see how funny rob can be in one minute He's full of shit. He's got he's got I bet he spent eight to 12 hours on this

[1:09:00]He spent his entire he may have been in a lounge act while he was getting ready for this But he knows exactly what he's saying go for it, erin every minute He spent waiting for his ATP to regenerate between sets of squats today was looking on rhyme dot com Looking for a rhyme for this album I was Very, I was stoked to listen to this album again. I didn't I know I never owned this album on cd But I Hey erin, did you own it on vinyl? Oh Russell Russ but this is target the record star of my choice That is rad. What's the last song on side one because I don't know what it would be like on vinyl Okay, now I've actually come up with like three different ones. This is digging very long The last song is your song poly erin that creepy really creepy song. Oh, I like that. That's cool Yeah, so I definitely I I knew the songs better than I remembered But I discovered something new every time I listened to the album. I think it's a great album I like matt I'm sort of like maybe there's a few clunkers on here and the end of it doesn't grab me

[1:10:00]So I'm gonna say a very subtle Rolling groan because I think it belongs in the top 10, but I I feel like we're going to hear other songs Or other albums of similar genres that will be better But it's definitely a top 10 album and I I love listening to it. But just to be contrary I'm gonna say rolling a slight groan Okay, I didn't hear a word you said because I was focusing Rob Emerson told us to listen to respond not to listen to Who said that? And I have to say not always right I have to say I'm not clipping that noise. I have to say I have outdone myself with this one. I Cannot believe that in that short amount of time. I care about something so clever I can't really tell what he's doing. He's it looks like you're meditating. This needs to change Rob Yes, I'm definitely gonna get on that. This is the definitely fixing this situation that I do one hour a week

[1:11:00]Is definitely at the top of my list or right now one hour Well, it actually takes me about a half hour to move both girls into one bedroom because I'm using one of their bedrooms Is my recording studio flabby road One of your daughters doesn't sleep in their room No, because you are taping a podcast. Yeah, and they understand that they're actually Yeah, they're happy to do it. They know how important this is. That is insanity I'm I'm the man of this house and I'm in charge Rob, what's your final reading And get ready for this. It's so good and I did come up with this the last minute. It's so good I'm gonna give this a rolling comb as you are because I wish I would have listened to this in high school I think it would have changed my whole life Okay, I think if I would have listened to this and he was like you don't give me a society And I've been like, yeah, fuck society. I don't have to be like a popular cool handsome guy I can just be who I want to be so I think it really would have changed my life I don't have to wear deodorant Oh, no, I don't think that's the message of this at all. There is no reason that any human being should not wear deodorant

[1:12:00]That's wild to me. That is going in next week's making fun of erin bit I don't understand how you don't have deodorant. What do you have in your house? Do you have anything do you just have like a lawn chair and like a kiddie pool? That's how I picture your living room. What is going on in your house? You have nothing it doesn't make no sense to me He's in his garage. That's some tomatoes He's in his garage and all he has is a poster in the back of the pink floyd Albums on the lead naked ladies backs, which I you know, that's pretty cool. I guess but that Seems a little bear And that was a pun so that is it for this Very short episode of nevermind from beck did it better next album. We are doing is Something I didn't look up. So what would you guys say it is if you had to guess? Rumors Is it would Mac rumor has ever doing another podcast? Yes, we are going to put this out approximately five week after that cranberry juice guy got famous

[1:13:00]And so we are going to have totally missed the boat talking about fleetwood mac. Nice job everybody We are going to talk banger after banger and finally we get to see erin be mad talking about rumors. That's it for beck did it better And now let's see you guys think of a joke in a minute. Oh, yeah, let's see if you can do it Wait, this could be bad Erin's writing on his garage now. This is soccer has nice tits and I want to hold them Back did it better So maybe if there are trick-or-treaters that come to my house, do I just give them deodorant instead of candy cars this year? They don't need to smell like that teen spirit Middle school me would have been so thankful for you Here I am dressing a big gorilla costume just smelling like a bunch of mulch. I must have just smelled awful

[1:14:00]I'm gonna get him that organic deodorant that erin's wife got him for his last birthday Well, I never understood why my mom was so mad about all the time. I was once on a plane with her and she said What is that smell you didn't put on deodorant and by the way, I'm like 17 at the time like I am older than you would think for this story. She's like what's going on You're not putting on doing or what's going on and I goes mom. I put on deodorant I don't know what you're talking about and it turns out the stewardess was sitting behind us next to mad in the jump seat And she was eating a McDonald's hamburger and my mom smelled that and assumed that was my bio So