Public Enemy: It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988)

[00:00]In 2020, four friends decided to listen to every one of the greatest 500 albums as decided by Rolling Stone magazine.

[00:05]This resulted in a text chain that celebrated the music, excoriated the order, and led us to making this podcast.

[00:11]We are far from experts, and we promise to do almost no research.

[00:14]All opinions are our own, unless you disagree.

[00:17]Please sit back and enjoy.

[00:19]Beck did it better.

[00:20]We are all the way up to album 15.

[00:23]Public Enemies, 1988.

[00:24]It takes a nation of millions to hold us back.

[00:27]So guys, one thing I noticed about this album that I thought was really cool is that it seems like a voice, like a siren helps you just say anything.

[00:34]It sounds awesome.

[00:35]So I've decided to go through some of my voicemail, but put a siren in the background.

[00:39]I think it's going to rock.

[00:40]Let's listen.

[00:41]Give it a whirl.

[00:43]Hello, Mr. Woolworth.

[00:47]This is the penis doctor.

[00:48]I have the results of your last test.

[00:50]It's not good.

[00:51]It's like really not good.

[00:53]I've never seen a penis click this much stuff.

[00:55]It seems okay.

[00:57]The siren.

[00:57]The siren helps.

[00:58]The siren definitely helps.

[00:59]I think the siren.

[01:00]Yeah, it's definitely better.

[01:02]It doesn't seem that bad.

[01:03]It's definitely better news than what I thought it was going to be.

[01:05]He might be calling to say it's too big.

[01:08]So, you know, it's possible.

[01:10]It's too thick.

[01:12]Your voicemail keeps forever really doing, and I don't love you anymore.

[01:17]I'm sorry, but I'm moving out and taking my kids.

[01:20]By the way, this is Jenny.

[01:21]Yeah, okay.

[01:22]Okay, so that's not great.

[01:24]Not going to lie.

[01:25]The siren did not help that.

[01:27]I was wondering why you were eating Thanksgiving by yourself.

[01:29]It's got to be way easier to stomach that with that siren in the background.

[01:33]I got to say that.

[01:33]You know what?

[01:34]It does kind of rock.

[01:34]That siren can get you through it.

[01:36]All right, let's go one more.

[01:37]I got one more voicemail.

[01:39]Hi, Father.

[01:42]I love my new daddy more than you.

[01:45]He is better looking, and Mommy has more fun with him.

[01:49]I love you, Dad.

[01:51]You talking about Steve?

[01:52]Okay.

[01:53]When you want to hear about the greatest albums,

[01:56]of all time,

[01:57]but you're just too lazy to look it up online.

[02:03]If you want to hear from guys who chat,

[02:07]and then they get off track,

[02:09]I've got the perfect podcast for you, Jack.

[02:14]Beck did it better.

[02:16]Yeah, I think I was right.

[02:17]That siren really worked out well.

[02:19]Welcome, everybody, to Beck did it better.

[02:22]So here's the deal.

[02:25]This is three guys.

[02:26]I want to introduce everybody.

[02:27]We've got three guys here who would,

[02:28]they want to believe the hype,

[02:29]if only there were any, about this podcast.

[02:31]We've got Russell in Minnesota.

[02:33]Russell, how are you doing today?

[02:34]Come on, let's crank this shit up and get busy, Rob.

[02:37]All right, I've got Matt in Minneapolis.

[02:39]Matt, how are you doing?

[02:40]Great, Rob.

[02:41]Thanks for having me.

[02:42]And I've got Aaron out in Oak Town.

[02:44]How are you doing, Aaron?

[02:44]I'm dangerous even when I'm unarmed.

[02:46]I'm good.

[02:46]And I've got Brandon and Krista in Minneapolis.

[02:50]Wait a minute.

[02:51]Brandon and Krista in Minneapolis.

[02:52]I was wondering if there's a guy.

[02:53]I think it's Crystal.

[02:54]Crystal.

[02:54]They had to watch us do that.

[02:56]It was absolutely humiliating to be like,

[02:59]well, this is the joke we're going to set up.

[03:00]No laughs, I noticed.

[03:02]No laughs whatsoever.

[03:03]Big bummer.

[03:05]Brandon and Krista, how are you guys doing?

[03:07]We're doing great.

[03:08]What's going on, guys?

[03:09]We're good.

[03:10]Yes.

[03:10]So you two are here because, A,

[03:14]you are pretty much our two downloads of every week.

[03:17]I do appreciate that Brandon uses all of his devices

[03:22]at home to download numerous times.

[03:24]That has been very helpful for us.

[03:25]I didn't even know if Home Pilots could get podcasts.

[03:30]And Carrie in her Blackberry,

[03:31]it's been amazing the downloads she's got on that.

[03:33]Thank you, Carrie.

[03:35]All right.

[03:36]So you guys, well, tell, why did you want to come on?

[03:39]How about that?

[03:40]I'll let you guys talk.

[03:41]Well, you guys talked about Wonderwall a few weeks ago,

[03:45]and then it kind of came up again with Russell's Cousin.

[03:48]And I just, I enjoy the song, to be honest.

[03:52]So I couldn't disagree more with what you're talking about.

[03:55]Cousin said, with all due respect to us.

[03:57]So some of us have the take.

[03:59]Matt and I have the belief that Wonderwall

[04:01]is a terrible stadium song for a soccer team.

[04:05]My cousin, who is a season ticket holder,

[04:07]kind of reinforced that.

[04:08]You're coming from a different perspective, huh?

[04:10]Yeah.

[04:12]First of all, we are also season ticket holders.

[04:15]So we also have some, you know, skin in the game here.

[04:20]And you have two season tickets.

[04:22]Well, actually four, but we.

[04:24]Oh, my God.

[04:24]So we're going to listen to you.

[04:25]I'm going to set this up because Brandon and I very good friends for

[04:31]extremely long time and Krista known her since college.

[04:35]So very good friend.

[04:37]That's a long time now, too.

[04:38]Holy cow.

[04:39]So they, you know, they, they avid listeners of the podcast.

[04:43]And if anybody that I know in this whole state has anything to say about

[04:49]soccer in Minnesota, it would be Brandon.

[04:52]He knows more than anybody I could ever.

[04:54]He probably listens.

[04:55]He probably listens to about 15 podcasts a week just on the loon soccer.

[04:59]Don't you, Brandon?

[04:59]Yeah.

[05:00]Yeah.

[05:00]Well, and the thing with the song is it does have kind of a cool history

[05:06]because when they were in the lower divisions, their coach, he used to,

[05:12]they would take bus rides and he would like jam in the back of the bus with

[05:16]this guitar and the guys would all sing along.

[05:18]And this sounds like hell to me.

[05:21]Can you imagine?

[05:22]Can you imagine your fucking coaches on the bus playing the guitar?

[05:25]And you've got to be like, oh, you're so good.

[05:27]Like the one guy is like, oh, you suck.

[05:29]And he's like, oh, guess what?

[05:30]You're, you're, you're on the bench or wherever you go in soccer.

[05:34]I think it's going back to the strikers.

[05:35]If I clap along with the song, he's going to let me be fourth in line for penalty kicks.

[05:39]He's going to let me wear that armband and let, if I get injured, they'll definitely

[05:47]use that spray on my calf when I get injured.

[05:49]You must watch a lot of soccer.

[05:52]Yeah.

[05:53]You've got a nail.

[05:54]You're an expert.

[05:55]So what is the story, Brandon?

[05:57]Okay.

[05:57]So you start.

[05:58]So, so they would sing all these songs and then it just so happened.

[06:02]Well, they were doing it in a playoff run.

[06:04]They had a cameraman behind the scenes kind of doing footage.

[06:10]And after one of their wins, they were in the locker room and they just started kind

[06:16]of singing this song out, like excited after a win.

[06:19]And it got filmed and United put it out on their like website.

[06:25]For like their fans pre United, they weren't the United at that time.

[06:29]Yes, correct.

[06:30]They were actually the entity stars.

[06:33]Yeah.

[06:33]The stars, the fans all liked it.

[06:35]And so the fans at one of the games following started singing the song to the

[06:41]players after they won and the players chimed in.

[06:44]So it, it kind of started out really organic.

[06:48]It was organic.

[06:48]It was organic.

[06:49]For sure.

[06:50]All right.

[06:53]Well, there's another connection too.

[06:54]And then.

[06:55]So.

[06:55]So that was their old coach and their new coach actually knows the Gallagher's

[07:01]because he used to play for Manchester city.

[07:04]And I guess the guys would like wash the,

[07:07]the brothers would wash all the players cars for extra money.

[07:11]Why?

[07:11]Wait, what?

[07:13]Yeah.

[07:14]Wow.

[07:15]So this was before they were a big band to get extra money.

[07:19]They would,

[07:20]those guys would come wash like the Manchester city players cars.

[07:23]And so now,

[07:25]Adrian Heath is the coach wonderwall is like the song with the United.

[07:30]And now you have this coach that comes in and has a bit of relationship with,

[07:34]and is it a song that you sing only after they score a goal or do you sing at

[07:38]any time after when, after, okay.

[07:42]After when it's like a team song, it's not a stadium song.

[07:46]And it's, it's actually pretty cool.

[07:48]I'm by no means like this huge music guy.

[07:51]I wasn't like an Oasis fan, but when you're standing in a stadium and like,

[07:55]everybody's singing it after a song,

[07:57]I've heard like a lot of players from road teams come in and they're like,

[08:01]Whoa, this is actually pretty sweet.

[08:03]Yeah.

[08:03]I want, like,

[08:04]I just want you to imagine the like perfect Minnesota night.

[08:08]You've got a buzz from that $18 craft beer that you kept buying anyway.

[08:14]And then the team wins and they start playing that song and the whole

[08:20]stadium starts singing along.

[08:21]They're holding their scarves up and they cut the music.

[08:25]But you can hear the song that's yeah, see, I'm all in on that.

[08:29]That's what I want.

[08:30]That's amazing.

[08:31]And then that's what I want to hear about.

[08:32]They call the fan section where it's like the people that follow the team

[08:40]religiously, the supporters, like the dark cloud and the, what's the other one?

[08:46]The true North they're like the soccer games.

[08:50]They call that the wonder wall where they all sit together.

[08:54]So good.

[08:54]So I'm going to have to say.

[08:55]I have two quick thoughts.

[08:57]One thought is Matt made it sound to us like this was the song they played when

[09:01]they scored a goal.

[09:01]And that's not the case.

[09:03]It turns out this is an after game.

[09:05]So Matt misrepresented that one.

[09:08]But the other thing I'm wondering is, so they use Gallagher for this.

[09:11]Do they smash watermelons at halftime of the soccer games too or not?

[09:15]No, it's, it's crazy.

[09:18]Cause that Gallagher recently did actually wash my car here in New York.

[09:21]It was crazy.

[09:21]I couldn't believe it.

[09:24]Did he like put like a big tarp?

[09:25]Carp over it and then just start smashing watermelons.

[09:27]It was a disaster.

[09:29]I misread the sign outside.

[09:31]When, when a cold it's all done and they're planning and left, we'll

[09:37]bring you guys to the game for that.

[09:42]That's sounds like a Beck did a better field trip.

[09:44]Hey, how old are we that we're going on a field trip?

[09:47]Why did I say field trip?

[09:48]All right.

[09:52]Well, all of that makes complete sense.

[09:53]Brandon and Krista.

[09:55]You know, I still think that Crystal, Crystal, you confuse me sometimes.

[10:01]You got to focus more, dude.

[10:02]It's so embarrassing to make these jokes when there's other people watching.

[10:04]This is humiliating.

[10:05]That's why you just don't look at your other monitor.

[10:07]You don't look at them in the zoom.

[10:09]I can't believe it.

[10:10]Is this what it's like online dating Russell?

[10:12]Is this what it's like all the time?

[10:13]No, that's way worse.

[10:14]Oh, what a nightmare.

[10:15]This, this would be the best date I've ever had online right now.

[10:18]I just, I just think that this is my, my, my parting shot.

[10:23]And this is more, I think.

[10:25]Uh, my personal, my lacking of knowing soccer more than anything is that if I were to come

[10:31]to a game for the first time and I show up and the loons win Minnesota United wind, and

[10:38]all of a sudden the whole crowd breaks into that song, I would say, what the fuck?

[10:42]And everyone would look at you and say, you're a mean old daddy.

[10:44]Let's sing with this song.

[10:46]This sounds great.

[10:47]Yeah.

[10:48]And then I think it'd probably, you know, if they cut the music and I would, I would

[10:51]do it all.

[10:52]It would, it would all come together.

[10:54]And I think it'd be fine.

[10:55]But I'd still be shaking my head at first.

[10:56]And I think what the, you know, this is a song we're singing, but I get it.

[11:01]It's got a great story.

[11:02]And then Matt would go home and it would be Halloween and his kids would have a Halloween

[11:05]costume ready for him.

[11:06]And he would just be pissed.

[11:08]It would just be like piling one on top of another terrible thing after terrible thing.

[11:13]They were probably listening to Joni Mitchell at the same time.

[11:17]Yeah.

[11:17]Hey, we don't need to bring that up again.

[11:20]Sweetie, how was your, how was your soccer game with all your friends?

[11:22]I couldn't fucking believe it.

[11:24]They played music at the end of the day.

[11:25]End of the game.

[11:25]It was very disruptive.

[11:29]I didn't like it.

[11:30]All right.

[11:31]Sounds good.

[11:32]Stay downstairs.

[11:32]Thank you.

[11:33]So that is, so, so that is the story of Wonderwall and it does involve washing cars.

[11:40]So I do win a $10 bet on that one.

[11:42]So that's great.

[11:42]I'm telling you guys, when that song comes on, I want to sing along.

[11:49]It is a legit good stadium song.

[11:51]That is all you need.

[11:52]You cannot sing along with let's go crazy.

[11:54]I mean, it's, you just can't do it.

[11:55]We were divided on this before, but I think I'm going to flip flop here.

[12:00]I thought this was a song they played when they scored a goal.

[12:03]This is a post game song.

[12:04]I'm on board.

[12:05]I think Beck did it better.

[12:06]Gives it the, the seal of approval or the thumbs up flip flop.

[12:10]Shout out the new climates are play it jokes.

[12:16]What did you say?

[12:17]New club.

[12:18]We don't have any sound clip for giving our seal of approval.

[12:21]So I'll just make one up right now.

[12:22]Here we go.

[12:24]And Oh, I missed something.

[12:30]So we do have to listen to this whole song.

[12:32]So, okay.

[12:32]So that's a part you don't see guys when we record this podcast.

[12:34]We actually have to listen to all these songs.

[12:36]That's such a good one.

[12:41]Hey, so Brandon, they didn't the, the wild when Prince died,

[12:46]didn't they change their goal songs every time a goal scored to let's go crazy.

[12:50]Yeah.

[12:50]Just for that year.

[12:51]That just makes sense.

[12:52]That's just good.

[12:53]That's just good.

[12:54]Smart.

[12:54]It was okay.

[12:55]They actually let the fans vote to like turn it back to the old one or keep

[12:59]Prince and they chose to put it back to the old one.

[13:03]So I would have picked that.

[13:06]Here's the song where he was masturbating with a magazine on the lobby.

[13:09]I would have done that.

[13:09]I would have voted for that one all day.

[13:12]Oh my God.

[13:13]So good.

[13:14]Who do you think has more fans,

[13:17]people that download our podcast or people that voted on the Minnesota loon

[13:20]soccer song?

[13:21]Cool.

[13:24]No,

[13:24]they only play that little Nicky Aaron.

[13:26]If they,

[13:26]if there's a man in the crease,

[13:28]illegal.

[13:29]Oh,

[13:30]wait,

[13:30]wait,

[13:31]I got it.

[13:31]I got it.

[13:31]Joe.

[13:31]Okay.

[13:32]Here it goes for soccer for an own goal.

[13:34]Oh,

[13:35]I like that.

[13:37]I like that.

[13:38]Is that what you think of masturbating?

[13:39]Is that an own goal?

[13:40]It's my first job in the podcast.

[13:42]It's like shooting on yourself.

[13:43]I don't like any of this.

[13:49]I think of it as an extra point.

[13:54]All right.

[13:55]So that is,

[13:56]that is the end of some actual music history on Beck.

[14:00]Did it better.

[14:00]All right.

[14:02]All right.

[14:02]Thanks for having us on guys.

[14:04]No,

[14:04]thanks for coming on.

[14:05]I so much appreciate listening to,

[14:08]all right,

[14:09]let's go right from that to our voicemail.

[14:12]Ooh,

[14:13]nice.

[14:13]Hey,

[14:14]that did it better.

[14:15]Uh,

[14:16]my name is Pete Moe.

[14:17]Um,

[14:18]I live in New York and I'm a big fan of the show.

[14:21]First time caller.

[14:22]Um,

[14:22]I actually know Rob.

[14:23]He,

[14:24]we used to work together.

[14:24]Um,

[14:24]anyways,

[14:26]you guys are doing great stuff,

[14:27]but I have a question.

[14:29]Um,

[14:30]last couple of shows I've been listening to.

[14:32]I get that Aaron is,

[14:33]uh,

[14:34]sleeping in his garage and it's really funny,

[14:36]but I'm really confused about why he sleeps in a tent in the garage.

[14:41]I've never heard of anyone sleeping in a tent inside of a garage.

[14:44]Um,

[14:47]what's the point of that tent?

[14:48]Also another question,

[14:51]maybe equally as important.

[14:52]Uh,

[14:52]I was wondering if,

[14:53]um,

[14:54]Rob asked you guys for pictures of feet and tries to play it off.

[14:59]Like it's a joke for someone else.

[15:00]Um,

[15:01]he's been doing that for me and my group for a while and our happy hours.

[15:05]So I'm just wondering if he's doing that.

[15:07]Where's the stop button on this thing?

[15:08]Rob is right.

[15:10]That'd be great.

[15:10]All right.

[15:11]Right.

[15:11]I didn't hear that last part.

[15:13]It got garbled and I think it's getting edited out.

[15:15]Rob,

[15:15]it's easier to hit the stop or pause button if you do with your hand on the

[15:18]mouse and not your feet up in the zoom camera.

[15:20]Put those things away.

[15:22]It's not cool.

[15:23]Look at these dirty,

[15:24]little piggy.

[15:24]So Aaron,

[15:25]the question is why are you sleeping in a tent out in the garage?

[15:28]Why weren't you just,

[15:29]you know,

[15:29]I don't know,

[15:30]like raw dog in it out there.

[15:31]Whoa.

[15:33]Uh,

[15:34]the answer is you want to cover up when you were scoring an own goal or

[15:37]what?

[15:37]See,

[15:40]you're on.

[15:40]Yeah,

[15:41]do that in front of a critter.

[15:42]You would appreciate it,

[15:42]but now that Joe's coming back all episode long,

[15:45]uh,

[15:46]because,

[15:46]um,

[15:47]we,

[15:47]I feared that there were rats living out here and the tent was to protect

[15:51]me from the rats.

[15:52]So it was a,

[15:53]uh,

[15:53]that way,

[15:54]if I slept inside the tent,

[15:55]uh,

[15:56]the rats would not bother me at night.

[15:58]So pretty simple explanation.

[15:59]Uh,

[16:00]I still have to get to see an actual rat,

[16:01]but,

[16:02]uh,

[16:02]that's,

[16:03]that was the deal.

[16:03]All right.

[16:05]So let's talk about,

[16:07]so Matt,

[16:07]so Aaron is sleeping in the tent because of critters.

[16:10]Tara,

[16:10]absolutely terrifying.

[16:11]Let's get into rolling.

[16:12]Go in.

[16:13]It's time to see what everybody's up to.

[16:20]It's time for rolling.

[16:22]Go.

[16:23]Oh,

[16:24]that's embarrassing.

[16:26]You know,

[16:27]it really was embarrassing to have somebody watch us do the opening bit.

[16:30]And then I was making jokes and I was like,

[16:32]God damn,

[16:32]it's good.

[16:33]It's fun.

[16:34]Rob,

[16:34]we don't comment on that.

[16:35]They might've been so terrible.

[16:36]We need to cut Christine out.

[16:38]Oh,

[16:38]that's true.

[16:39]That's true.

[16:39]And we're going to cut them out and then we're just going to leave space.

[16:42]Like there's not even anything there.

[16:44]It's like,

[16:45]yeah,

[16:45]this is better than what we got.

[16:46]All right.

[16:47]So we just had two guests of our biggest fans and then we are burning on

[16:50]them after they leave.

[16:50]So classic Beck did it better bridge burning style.

[16:53]Oh yeah.

[16:54]All right,

[16:56]Matt rolling,

[16:57]going,

[16:57]how's it going with you?

[16:58]Going good,

[16:59]Rob.

[16:59]I've Russell has gotten me fully full on addicted into buying vinyl.

[17:06]Nice.

[17:06]Shh.

[17:08]Do you hear that?

[17:10]It's time to talk about.

[17:14]I like that.

[17:18]That sound drop I made is about 30 seconds long.

[17:21]So we all sit here like,

[17:21]Jesus Christ,

[17:22]this is too long.

[17:22]Okay,

[17:23]man,

[17:23]I'm,

[17:23]I'm sorry.

[17:23]Keep going.

[17:24]No.

[17:25]So,

[17:25]but I've got a huge dilemma because you have a huge,

[17:28]a huge,

[17:29]yeah.

[17:29]Unlike little Rosie,

[17:31]I've got a huge dilemma.

[17:32]I wear some longer shorts.

[17:33]Next time you go to that store,

[17:34]then.

[17:35]Yeah.

[17:36]All right.

[17:36]So

[17:37]Robbie liked that joke.

[17:40]I just see somebody having a huge dong and your solutions to wear shorts is

[17:46]very funny to me.

[17:47]It could be very gorgeous.

[17:49]Don't worry.

[17:49]Oh no,

[17:51]don't do it.

[17:51]I actually did that man.

[17:52]Shut up for a second.

[17:53]I actually did that where I went and got shorts tailored for me.

[17:56]Cause I was like,

[17:56]listen,

[17:57]I don't want those fat guy,

[17:58]like shorts,

[17:59]like the Kevin Smith shorts.

[18:00]Have you ever seen his jeans that he wore that one time with these huge

[18:03]shorts?

[18:03]I'll show you after the podcast,

[18:04]but I didn't want long shorts to go over the knee.

[18:06]So I took him to a tailor here on wherever I live.

[18:09]And I had them tailor it short.

[18:12]And then when I got him back,

[18:13]they are so short.

[18:15]It is ridiculous.

[18:16]I have to wear underwear,

[18:17]the wear with them all the time.

[18:18]Otherwise it looks like there's some sort of like,

[18:21]would you do it otherwise?

[18:23]They're pairs of pants.

[18:24]I don't always,

[18:25]it's guys.

[18:25]You don't always have to wear underwear every day.

[18:28]Okay.

[18:28]That's why they're called underwear.

[18:29]We need to move back to Matt and the record store.

[18:32]I don't want to hear any more.

[18:33]But if I'm sitting down in these shorts,

[18:36]it looks like a science experiment.

[18:37]That's trying to break out.

[18:38]It looks like a jailbreak.

[18:39]So I gotta be really careful.

[18:41]It looks like,

[18:42]you know,

[18:42]when you,

[18:43]okay.

[18:44]Yeah.

[18:44]So anyway,

[18:44]so Matt has a record store talking about balls or something.

[18:49]I'm still here.

[18:50]Here's my dilemma.

[18:53]My dilemma is this.

[18:53]I go to these record stores,

[18:54]right?

[18:55]And there is a million records of which about two or three of them.

[18:59]I really want to buy.

[19:00]Usually there's some newer artists.

[19:03]I mean,

[19:03]the one I got recently at,

[19:05]uh,

[19:06]um,

[19:06]when I hear in Minneapolis,

[19:08]I got the new 21 pilots album,

[19:10]found that used.

[19:12]It was great.

[19:12]Happy to find it.

[19:13]But anything I really like,

[19:15]I've been trying to find rumors since we did,

[19:17]uh,

[19:17]the rumors episode,

[19:18]because you like the cover.

[19:19]Huh?

[19:20]You like the cover where you can see from his short shorts,

[19:22]those things,

[19:23]that are hanging down.

[19:23]Yeah.

[19:24]Yeah.

[19:24]I haven't made Fleetwood too.

[19:25]I get it.

[19:26]I think,

[19:26]I think you and twins designed that cover.

[19:28]If I'm correct.

[19:29]Yeah.

[19:30]And so,

[19:33]but I go,

[19:34]and it's not there,

[19:35]but I go to target.com or best buy.com and I can buy rumors,

[19:42]brand new album,

[19:43]and I can get it for about 10 bucks cheaper than any of these record stores.

[19:47]And I feel crappy about it.

[19:50]So I'm looking at Rosie specifically on this.

[19:53]You got to buy local.

[19:55]I can get it.

[19:56]So I,

[19:57]I buy all of my Pearl jam albums,

[19:59]uh,

[20:00]from Pearl jam.com.

[20:01]If I can't buy them at a record store,

[20:03]cause there's not a lot of record stores that carry older Pearl jam albums,

[20:07]things like that.

[20:08]So if I can't support the artists by buying it from their website,

[20:12]well,

[20:12]then I try to buy the local,

[20:14]but if I can't find anything,

[20:15]I really want to spend my money on,

[20:17]like,

[20:17]is it okay to buy from target Rosie?

[20:21]Can you go up to that guy with the long hair?

[20:23]Behind the counter and be like,

[20:24]dude,

[20:24]can you order rumors?

[20:25]Like what the hell?

[20:26]That's a good question.

[20:27]I wonder if we can do that.

[20:28]You're always,

[20:29]yeah,

[20:29]that's true.

[20:29]You could ask them to order it.

[20:30]That that's,

[20:31]I mean,

[20:31]uh,

[20:32]my,

[20:32]my recommendation.

[20:33]And I was having this discussion with a family member of mine.

[20:35]I would always check discogs.com because I do think that,

[20:38]uh,

[20:39]record stores from all around the world are able to sell their stuff on discogs.

[20:42]I mean,

[20:43]it's always okay to buy.

[20:44]Hold on.

[20:45]What is that disc?

[20:45]What discogs D I S C O G S.com.

[20:50]Okay.

[20:52]That's the place you can find.

[20:53]It sounds like an inappropriate website.

[20:54]It sounds like way too inappropriate.

[20:55]I went there once,

[20:57]but it was cause I mistyped a site I was trying to get to.

[20:59]Okay.

[20:59]To buy from target in a pinch.

[21:01]But I,

[21:01]I,

[21:02]yeah,

[21:02]I think it's important to support local.

[21:04]Rob did a Google search on sweat dropping off his balls and it

[21:07]actually,

[21:07]it actually took him to discogs.

[21:08]Well,

[21:10]no,

[21:10]actually what I need is I need to protect my eyes from that

[21:13]happening.

[21:14]So I wanted dick gogs,

[21:15]but I did get the dick gogs in case you are wondering,

[21:20]but a target has gone full on.

[21:22]I mean,

[21:23]they're,

[21:23]they're,

[21:23]they're dedicating a huge amount of shelf space to vinyl these days.

[21:28]I told you,

[21:28]and it's been going to come back and for the,

[21:31]and for black Friday,

[21:32]uh,

[21:33]like Pearl jam had a purple album that came out.

[21:35]And since I'm a member of the,

[21:37]of the,

[21:38]uh,

[21:38]fan club,

[21:39]you know,

[21:40]I got it.

[21:40]They,

[21:40]they sent it out about a month ago saying,

[21:42]Hey,

[21:42]you can buy this special purple album,

[21:44]you know,

[21:45]since you're a fan at 18 bucks.

[21:47]And I tried to get it.

[21:48]I got in late,

[21:49]but then two weeks later,

[21:50]it comes out that it's on the target black Friday.

[21:52]So they're selling this purple 10 album at a target.

[21:57]So then I go there to try to find one just to see what else.

[21:59]And they've got every other album is going to blink one 82 and appetite for

[22:04]destruction and Weezer and Nat King Cole.

[22:07]And they got like,

[22:08]they're just going full on.

[22:10]Like they're,

[22:10]they're,

[22:11]they're putting a whole bunch of,

[22:13]of a stock in and selling vinyl without a Herbie man.

[22:16]And so,

[22:17]yeah,

[22:17]I would check out Russell's mom's basement.

[22:20]Have you,

[22:20]have you tried to break in over there?

[22:22]I think that might be a good place.

[22:22]You get all your albums that you need.

[22:24]No,

[22:25]but all right.

[22:26]So that,

[22:26]that's my big dilemma.

[22:27]And I,

[22:27]I get these albums that I,

[22:29]I want,

[22:30]and I can't find them,

[22:31]but I try to find them other places to buy local,

[22:33]but I don't know.

[22:35]And so I'm kind of,

[22:36]I'm getting slightly addicted to buying vinyl,

[22:39]but I kind of feel bad about it.

[22:40]You know,

[22:41]if the record stores had records that people wanted,

[22:45]you would go buy them there,

[22:46]right?

[22:46]Like they don't have any records that people have ever heard about these

[22:49]stores.

[22:49]They have records that Aaron would probably love and pick through and buy

[22:52]12 of them.

[22:53]I think you got to go talk to the guy who's running the store and just be

[22:57]like,

[22:57]listen,

[22:58]I want to buy this from you much pressure.

[22:59]No way.

[23:00]That's a dilemma and a half.

[23:01]No,

[23:02]I don't even care what shorts I'm wearing.

[23:03]I'm not talking to the one reason he's there.

[23:05]It's also the difference between you,

[23:07]you,

[23:08]you guys who own houses and me who does not.

[23:10]So I,

[23:11]I keep my record buying now to a minimum because I'm,

[23:13]I know that someday I'm going to have to move this shit.

[23:16]So I,

[23:17]I haven't been buying a whole lot.

[23:18]So when I buy something,

[23:19]it's because I really,

[23:21]it's like a number one thing.

[23:22]Then I think the last thing I bought was love Supreme.

[23:24]So I,

[23:25]I don't have the same luxury of just like grabbing stuff.

[23:28]So I can say like,

[23:29]I'm only going to buy a local cause I can wait for a year to get it.

[23:31]But I think part of the thing about records too,

[23:33]is like,

[23:34]think about passing those onto your kids and then they go out and make a

[23:37]podcast where they make a bunch of masturbation jokes right at the

[23:39]beginning.

[23:39]You'd be like,

[23:39]I'm so proud of you.

[23:41]You know what I mean?

[23:42]Like this is what I want.

[23:43]Like if your kid made the podcast we're making right now,

[23:45]you'd be like,

[23:46]what a failure.

[23:47]Can you imagine if your daughter married a guy?

[23:49]He had a podcast.

[23:52]Well,

[23:53]I think,

[23:54]I think I might support that.

[23:56]That guy's doing something creative and in a cool way.

[23:59]And then he's also cool and fun.

[24:00]Aaron,

[24:00]Aaron rolling going,

[24:01]how are you doing?

[24:02]No,

[24:02]God damn it.

[24:03]Rolling going,

[24:03]Aaron,

[24:03]what's going on?

[24:04]Yeah.

[24:05]What's the earliest on the podcast that we can steal someone else's bit.

[24:09]You've been doing it for weeks now,

[24:12]Aaron,

[24:12]just go for it.

[24:12]Here we go.

[24:13]My rolling going is I do not like college sports.

[24:17]I believe the NCAA is a cartel.

[24:19]I try not to pay attention for personal and emotional reasons,

[24:21]but I have to say,

[24:22]my rolling going is rolling cyclone because my cyclones of Iowa state beat the

[24:28]Texas Longhorns today.

[24:29]And they are seven and two sitting atop the big 12 in college.

[24:32]I'm so pissed that Aaron stole my business.

[24:34]I was going to do a whole bit on Iowa state cyclone football today.

[24:37]Aaron beat me to it.

[24:38]This is like,

[24:40]this is not what I was expecting.

[24:42]I thought you were going to do a bit steal or a Beck did it better,

[24:44]but no,

[24:45]you went with Iowa state cyclone football.

[24:47]I don't like,

[24:48]I don't like Iowa state.

[24:49]Cause at halftime,

[24:50]they always turn to that children's hospital and give them the thumbs down.

[24:52]That's I'm like,

[24:53]you know,

[24:53]you don't have to be that different.

[24:54]Like you can try to be like still as similar.

[24:58]I don't know.

[24:58]I see what you're trying to do.

[25:00]Maybe that's a dream I had.

[25:01]Well,

[25:03]Aaron,

[25:03]I'm very similar.

[25:03]Cause I don't give a shit about that rolling going.

[25:05]So that's great.

[25:05]I have to say,

[25:06]can I say something about Aaron's rolling going?

[25:07]So I actually went back when I was a sports fan,

[25:10]Aaron and I are junior year of college.

[25:12]We went to a football game in Nebraska when Nebraska was like the number one

[25:16]team in the country.

[25:17]They had Eric Crouch,

[25:18]I believe who went on,

[25:18]went on to win the Heisman.

[25:20]Yeah.

[25:20]And we went with a couple of our friends and,

[25:22]and,

[25:22]and Aaron walks in and I went and bought like a Nebraska t-shirt.

[25:25]I figured like,

[25:25]I don't care about either of these teams.

[25:27]I'm just here for the game.

[25:28]I'm just going to hear to have fun.

[25:29]So we go in and Aaron wears like his Iowa state shirt,

[25:33]his Iowa state hat and Iowa state's down 40,

[25:36]nothing to zero at the half.

[25:37]They're just getting,

[25:38]just getting boat raced.

[25:40]And so they come out in the second half and they had Seneca Wallace at the

[25:44]time,

[25:45]who was like this star quarterback for Iowa state went on to play in the

[25:47]pros and everything.

[25:48]He's probably like Iowa state's greatest player ever.

[25:51]I would say are up there at least.

[25:52]Yeah.

[25:53]And so in the third or fourth quarter,

[25:56]it's probably the fourth beginning of the fourth quarter.

[25:57]And they're,

[25:58]they're just getting crushed.

[25:59]And at the end of a play,

[26:02]a Iowa state defensive lineman takes like a cheap shot at Eric crouch,

[26:07]like hits him late.

[26:08]They throw a flag.

[26:08]The crowd is just booing like crazy that they took a cheap shot at

[26:12]crouch.

[26:12]And Aaron stands up in the middle of this crowd and there can't be more

[26:16]than 10 people wearing yellow.

[26:17]And Aaron stands up and he's like,

[26:19]that's what you fucking get for leaving in your Heisman trophy winner when

[26:22]you're out.

[26:22]And I looked at Aaron.

[26:25]I was like,

[26:25]we are not going to make it out of here alive.

[26:26]I was terrified.

[26:28]So Aaron definitely has his allegiances to the cyclones.

[26:33]Yeah.

[26:34]When the cyclones win,

[26:35]my family's happy.

[26:35]So it makes me happy.

[26:36]I thought about going to some Vikings games,

[26:39]like going to Philadelphia on the train or going to some giants Vikings game.

[26:42]And I'm just like,

[26:42]I'm not going to do it because I'm going to wear my Vikings Jersey.

[26:44]And then somebody's going to hit me with like a can of beer in the back of

[26:47]the head.

[26:47]And I was like,

[26:48]I don't need this.

[26:48]I had a rough experience in Detroit going to a Vikings Lions game in

[26:52]Detroit,

[26:52]where people came up and were screaming at me,

[26:55]throwing stuff at me and whatnot.

[26:56]It was not pleasant.

[26:57]Oh,

[26:59]right.

[26:59]So congratulations,

[27:00]Rosie.

[27:00]I'm glad that the Hawkeyes are doing well.

[27:02]Actually,

[27:03]but asshole,

[27:04]let's do,

[27:05]let's do fight.

[27:06]That's all the same to me.

[27:09]Okay.

[27:09]Rolling,

[27:10]going Russell,

[27:11]rolling,

[27:11]going,

[27:11]how's it going with you?

[27:12]Rolling,

[27:12]going.

[27:13]I know this is delayed a little bit when people are going to listen to it,

[27:15]but I actually watched this golf match today.

[27:18]The match,

[27:18]it was called,

[27:19]it was Charles Barkley and Phil Mickelson versus Steph,

[27:22]Curry and Peyton Manning.

[27:24]And like this golf thing where it's 18 holes,

[27:27]kind of a match play golf thing.

[27:28]And they did one with tiger woods and Tom Brady before.

[27:30]And now it was Barkley and Mickelson versus Steph Curry and Peyton Manning.

[27:38]But I had a few thoughts when I was watching this and I wanted to see what

[27:41]you guys thought about it.

[27:42]I like to hear it.

[27:43]The first thing I was wondering is,

[27:46]do you guys think golfers are really good at golf or they're just the people

[27:49]that played a lot of golf?

[27:50]Like if Peyton Manning,

[27:52]and Steph Curry and Charles Barkley had golfed all the time when they were

[27:55]kids,

[27:56]would they be better than tiger woods and Phil Mickelson or not?

[27:59]Not Barkley.

[28:01]Maybe Steph Barkley's got,

[28:03]that's a really good question.

[28:04]Steph's got a pretty swing,

[28:05]but Barkley,

[28:06]no Barkley had shot on this album,

[28:08]by the way.

[28:09]Don't you,

[28:09]don't you,

[28:10]don't you find out that don't you find that these athletes,

[28:12]like they,

[28:13]whatever they do,

[28:14]they end up being good at it.

[28:15]You know what I mean?

[28:17]It's kind of my point.

[28:18]It's like any sport.

[28:18]It's like a Brandon from Minneapolis.

[28:20]And I've talked about this a number of times.

[28:22]Numerous times that the soccer in the United States is,

[28:25]is not on par with Europe.

[28:28]We're over our soccer limit for the day,

[28:30]Matt.

[28:30]I'm just going to warn you.

[28:31]But it all comes back.

[28:33]It all comes back is because not,

[28:35]it's like the third or fourth sport.

[28:37]Everybody's playing football or basketball or something else,

[28:41]you know?

[28:41]And so our best athletes are playing football,

[28:43]basketball,

[28:44]and even lacrosse and stuff like that.

[28:46]And they're not playing soccer.

[28:47]So they're not coming up through the system.

[28:48]It's the same thing with golf.

[28:49]I mean,

[28:50]it is a privileged sport.

[28:51]There is very,

[28:52]very few people who grow up on a public course and end up making it onto

[28:57]the PGA.

[28:57]If you go look at the,

[28:59]the lines from Jack Nicholas down of whose country club kids growing up

[29:03]and becoming pro golfers.

[29:05]I mean,

[29:05]it's a privileged sport.

[29:07]And so absolutely,

[29:08]you know,

[29:09]these,

[29:09]some of these guys,

[29:10]Steph Curry,

[29:10]Larry Fitzgerald,

[29:12]I think is like a,

[29:13]a two handicap,

[29:14]things like that.

[29:15]If some of these guys had it coming up,

[29:17]they would definitely be pro golfers,

[29:19]but not Barkley.

[29:20]I,

[29:21]I,

[29:21]I would have,

[29:22]I would have to agree.

[29:22]I mean,

[29:23]those guys,

[29:23]there's such,

[29:24]there's such freaks.

[29:25]And I do also like to think about what if the United States field,

[29:28]the soccer team.

[29:28]And it was like Randy Moss,

[29:29]like Ray Lewis,

[29:31]like all like the top athletes at one time,

[29:34]just playing soccer.

[29:35]Right.

[29:36]Fuck you,

[29:36]Brazil.

[29:37]Well,

[29:37]you know,

[29:37]we just blow them out of the water.

[29:38]USA.

[29:39]Number one.

[29:39]I gotta,

[29:40]I gotta,

[29:41]I gotta make it a quick addendum to my rolling going because on,

[29:44]on Wednesday,

[29:45]on Wednesday afternoon,

[29:49]I went to the grocery store to do some last minute.

[29:52]Thanks.

[29:52]Giving shopping.

[29:53]And it turned out that the grocery store that I went to was beautifully

[29:58]empty.

[29:58]Very few people.

[30:01]They were playing some really good tunes.

[30:04]And then I think everyone who works there is stone most of the time.

[30:07]And I think most of the clientele was stoned and every,

[30:10]every single person,

[30:11]every single dude who saw me called me brother.

[30:13]And it just felt like so well warm and welcoming.

[30:17]It was a beautiful feeling.

[30:18]Like it was the best Thanksgiving weekend kickoff I could have.

[30:21]Everybody was like,

[30:21]yeah,

[30:22]brother,

[30:22]hey,

[30:22]what are you looking for,

[30:23]man?

[30:23]Like it was wonderful.

[30:24]Are you sure that you weren't in the restaurant in the,

[30:27]in the grocery store where the deli was run by maybe a famous wrestler who has a

[30:31]mustache,

[30:31]just like the movie,

[30:32]the wrestler.

[30:33]He was like,

[30:34]Hey brother,

[30:35]you want some pastrami brother?

[30:37]He's like,

[30:38]Hey brother,

[30:38]I got some sushi over here.

[30:40]Oh my God.

[30:40]I've been eating like a fucking pig.

[30:41]Guys.

[30:43]Can we go have an episode where we don't talk about a sex thing?

[30:46]Please.

[30:47]I'll say it again.

[30:47]Rolling going.

[30:48]How's it going with you,

[30:50]Rob?

[30:50]I want to talk to you.

[30:52]Talk about the Grammy controversy that we have going on right now.

[30:56]I actually,

[30:56]you guys might've forgotten.

[30:57]This is actually a music podcast.

[30:58]Yeah.

[30:59]So this is a music podcast.

[31:01]So we're going to,

[31:02]we're going to get into the Grammys.

[31:03]Oh,

[31:04]did somebody say me?

[31:05]Hey,

[31:06]who is this?

[31:07]Somebody came out on a Zoom call.

[31:08]Welcome back,

[31:08]Gringo.

[31:08]Wait,

[31:09]do we get Zoomed out?

[31:10]Hey guys,

[31:10]I heard,

[31:11]oh,

[31:11]wait,

[31:12]it was a loss of voice a little bit.

[31:13]I heard you.

[31:14]Somebody said Granny.

[31:15]It's great to have you on the podcast.

[31:16]You're so much more engaging than Christine on this podcast.

[31:20]It's great to have you here,

[31:21]Granny.

[31:21]Thank you.

[31:22]Thanks.

[31:22]Yeah.

[31:23]I,

[31:23]I like listening to podcasts.

[31:25]You know,

[31:25]when I was younger,

[31:26]I used to date the big bopper.

[31:28]How'd he go for you?

[31:29]Did you give him the Chantilly lace or not?

[31:32]I'd put on nipple clamps and he loved it.

[31:34]He thought it was great.

[31:35]Well,

[31:35]gotta go.

[31:36]See you guys later.

[31:37]Wow,

[31:37]guys,

[31:38]that was weird.

[31:38]Cause somebody just logged into the Zoom call and all that they said on the screen was

[31:41]dirty Granny.

[31:41]We gotta get a password on that.

[31:43]Brandon,

[31:44]Brandon passed it on.

[31:46]Brandon from Minneapolis passed it on.

[31:48]It seems like maybe anytime somebody says the word Grammy,

[31:51]there's a chance.

[31:52]That dirty Granny might log back in and have some very short bits.

[31:57]All right.

[31:58]I mean,

[31:59]uh,

[31:59]conversations.

[32:00]So this weekend,

[32:01]Grammy controversy.

[32:02]I don't know if you guys are paying attention to music.

[32:03]You guys are watching sports or whatever.

[32:04]Uh,

[32:05]but the,

[32:06]the band artist,

[32:07]uh,

[32:08]uh,

[32:08]the weekend,

[32:09]no ease in that,

[32:11]uh,

[32:12]had the song blinding lights.

[32:14]Let me play this for you guys just to give you an idea.

[32:16]Their albums are longer.

[32:18]So here we go.

[32:20]This is the,

[32:21]this is the,

[32:22]this is the song that has set the all time record for being in the top five on the billboard charts.

[32:27]Banger.

[32:27]It was on the charts for this year.

[32:31]It was on the charts for 28 weeks.

[32:32]It beat out Ed Sheeran for that record.

[32:36]80 cent.

[32:36]And you want to guess,

[32:37]you want to guess how many Grammys this guy got nominated for this year?

[32:40]My granny's never heard of this album.

[32:43]So none.

[32:44]Wait,

[32:44]did somebody say granny?

[32:46]I haven't heard this yet.

[32:47]You haven't heard the song?

[32:48]I don't know it.

[32:49]Oh,

[32:50]oh my God.

[32:52]It must've been nominated for like song of the year,

[32:55]right?

[32:55]Or record of the year.

[32:56]Yeah.

[32:57]The answer is absolutely zero.

[32:58]It got zero Grammy nominations.

[33:00]And so he came out,

[33:02]uh,

[33:02]he came out and he tweeted right after the Grammy nominations were out this week.

[33:05]And he said,

[33:05]the Grammys remain corrupt.

[33:06]You owe me,

[33:07]my fans and the industry transparency.

[33:09]So what they think,

[33:13]according to variety and Rolling Stone,

[33:15]okay.

[33:15]And this is late.

[33:16]This is hot off the press.

[33:17]Uh,

[33:18]and you're listening to it like three weeks later,

[33:19]but they,

[33:20]what they say is that,

[33:22]that the weekend was asked to play at the Grammys and at the Superbowl.

[33:27]And they're a week apart,

[33:29]a weekend,

[33:29]right?

[33:30]Yeah.

[33:31]And so he said,

[33:32]I don't,

[33:33]you know,

[33:33]he's like this,

[33:34]it's,

[33:34]there are too many concerts too close.

[33:36]We got to talk about doing this.

[33:37]And apparently it talks,

[33:38]became really contentious.

[33:39]And he eventually agreed to play both.

[33:41]But what the rumor is,

[33:43]is that because the talks were so contentious that the Grammy said,

[33:46]guess what?

[33:46]We're not nominating you.

[33:47]Oh,

[33:47]I didn't know this.

[33:48]So this is just a spite.

[33:49]So instead they nominate a lot of inside baseball.

[33:52]Kind of stuff.

[33:52]Who has time to listen to the,

[33:54]to new music when we're trying to study for this podcast,

[33:57]like this,

[33:58]this album today is from 1988 and all the samples are from 1969 or 1971.

[34:02]I didn't even know there was the weekend released a new song this year.

[34:05]I got to get with it.

[34:06]Who would have known that I know more about modern music than the rest of you

[34:08]guys.

[34:08]This is wild.

[34:09]It's crazy.

[34:09]I know.

[34:10]I didn't even know.

[34:11]It is a great thing.

[34:11]I,

[34:12]I,

[34:12]I read through the Grammy nominees today and I like half of them.

[34:16]I haven't heard.

[34:16]So I'm going to have to do some research.

[34:18]We should maybe do a Grammy episode just so we shouldn't get up,

[34:20]get up with the,

[34:21]the now.

[34:22]We can't,

[34:23]we cannot do a whole episode with that granny again.

[34:25]She was filthy.

[34:26]Yeah.

[34:27]Guys.

[34:30]I,

[34:30]okay.

[34:31]I'll put a password on.

[34:31]Okay.

[34:32]Okay.

[34:32]The password is going to be hot.

[34:34]Okay.

[34:35]So here's the thing.

[34:37]Let's talk about,

[34:38]let's talk about this album real quick.

[34:39]We're talking about,

[34:40]it takes a nation of millions to hold us back by,

[34:42]by a public enemy.

[34:44]And this is really our first,

[34:46]would you say this is our first rap album we've done?

[34:48]I mean,

[34:49]Lauren Hill is that that's not really right.

[34:51]Yeah.

[34:51]I would,

[34:51]I would say,

[34:52]and I would say that this is really,

[34:53]I think that,

[34:55]and Rob,

[34:55]I don't want to step on your intro.

[34:56]I think it's really cool that this is what ended up as the top rap album on

[35:01]this list.

[35:01]I don't want to give away my final rating,

[35:03]but if someone had asked me,

[35:04]you know,

[35:04]what do you think is going to be the top rated rap album on any list?

[35:07]I would say Illmatic by Nas,

[35:08]maybe ready to die by Biggie or Wu-Tang enter the 36 chambers,

[35:13]but listening this whole week,

[35:15]this album is so influential.

[35:16]It is of its time.

[35:19]It could never be made again.

[35:21]And I think it's,

[35:22]it's really cool.

[35:22]It's the top rap album.

[35:23]This,

[35:23]this actually was one of my favorite bands I've researched so far.

[35:26]And I really,

[35:27]I watched a couple of documentaries.

[35:28]There's a great one called profits of rage on YouTube.

[35:30]If you want to turn this off and go listen to that,

[35:32]but basically the public enemy is essentially as long as you downloaded first,

[35:35]go for it.

[35:36]Public enemy is essentially Chuck D.

[35:38]Chuck D is a guy from long Island grew up in the sixties.

[35:40]He's never had a drink in his life.

[35:42]He's totally against drugs at the time of this album being made.

[35:45]He's older than most of the rappers trying to,

[35:47]trying to do it.

[35:48]And what he would do is he would go to these shows.

[35:50]And this is really interesting.

[35:52]It is in the seventies.

[35:52]They would have these shows with like,

[35:54]they had this,

[35:55]this people who made the beats called spectrum city.

[35:57]They were like,

[35:58]I don't know what you want to call him a DJ or whatever.

[36:00]And so the spectrum city was this Hank shock,

[36:03]shockly and Eric Sadler,

[36:04]and they would play beats.

[36:06]And then at the party,

[36:06]there would be like 20 or 30 guys lined up to rap over the beats.

[36:10]Right.

[36:10]And so Chuck D would get on there and his,

[36:13]he said,

[36:13]I didn't want anyone else to get on the mic and rap after me.

[36:15]So I tried to be as scary as possible when I was,

[36:18]when I was laying down my rhymes.

[36:20]And so this Hank shockly,

[36:21]and Eric Sadler,

[36:22]Eric Sadler heard him and they said,

[36:23]God,

[36:23]we got to get this guy.

[36:24]We got to like start working with them.

[36:26]They set out to make a Marvin gay equivalent is what they've said to what's

[36:30]going on as a rap album.

[36:32]And so then though,

[36:34]you have this flavor of slave,

[36:35]right?

[36:35]Who all of a sudden was a radio DJ that worked with these guys and putting

[36:39]out beats.

[36:39]And Chuck D just identified that this is the guy who's the exact opposite of

[36:43]me.

[36:44]He's a total like character in the documentary flavor.

[36:48]Flavor is like,

[36:48]yeah,

[36:49]you know,

[36:49]my drugs never really affected anything.

[36:50]I had to miss a couple of times.

[36:52]A couple shows,

[36:52]but that's it.

[36:53]Like that's,

[36:53]that's it.

[36:54]And he's just this totally different guy.

[36:55]And you'll see him like they go out and they're dressed in military gear

[36:58]and they're all super serious.

[36:59]And Chuck D looks just scary as hell.

[37:01]And then flavor of slave is in an all neon suit with a giant clock around

[37:04]his neck.

[37:05]But when run DMC heard these guys,

[37:08]they were so impressed by it that they ran to their guy,

[37:12]Rick Rubin at def jam.

[37:14]And they said,

[37:14]you need to sign Chuck D right now.

[37:16]And they called and called and Chuck D is like,

[37:18]I don't know.

[37:19]I don't know.

[37:19]I don't really care about this stuff.

[37:20]And finally he said,

[37:21]okay,

[37:22]I'll,

[37:22]I'll sign.

[37:22]And they said,

[37:23]okay,

[37:23]well we want you,

[37:23]but we don't want flavor of slave.

[37:25]And he said,

[37:25]no,

[37:26]no,

[37:26]no,

[37:26]you take me and flavor at the same time.

[37:28]And so they kind of brought all these guys in together.

[37:31]Then all of a sudden we have professor Griff sign on who is on this album a

[37:35]couple of times just speaking,

[37:36]but he's their minister of information.

[37:38]My understanding is essentially he would do like a lot of the research that

[37:41]led to Chuck D's lyrics.

[37:42]That was my understanding of what his role was kind of.

[37:44]Is that correct?

[37:45]It's kind of the guy.

[37:46]Yeah.

[37:46]Who,

[37:46]who really kind of cultivated the political views of the group.

[37:50]And then,

[37:52]so then you have this,

[37:53]this interminator X who's huge.

[37:55]He's this very scary guy.

[37:56]It never takes off the glasses.

[37:57]And then you have,

[37:58]once again,

[37:59]you have flavor of slave come out and he's like,

[38:00]I'm going to do my dance.

[38:01]And then he starts running around.

[38:02]It's just a crazy,

[38:03]crazy to see this.

[38:04]So they released the album,

[38:05]their first album,

[38:06]yo bum rush to show,

[38:07]which got delayed a whole year because of Bruce Springsteen and BC boys

[38:11]didn't put out an album.

[38:12]Then all of a sudden everybody's like,

[38:14]Oh,

[38:14]rap has totally changed.

[38:15]It's totally changed.

[38:16]It's sound.

[38:17]So on the 1987 Def Jam tour through Europe,

[38:20]they get together.

[38:22]And they come out with a rebel without a pause and everything just blows

[38:27]up.

[38:27]And they say,

[38:28]we wanted to crank all our music up by 10 beats per minute to just,

[38:31]cause everybody loved our live show.

[38:33]Those that's what we were trying to get with this whole album.

[38:35]So that's,

[38:35]that's the,

[38:36]that's the key or that's the history of it takes a million nation of

[38:39]millions to hold us back.

[38:40]I am going to say before I stop,

[38:41]and I know I've been talking too long,

[38:42]the anything that these guys name rocks flavor,

[38:47]Flav,

[38:47]awesome name,

[38:48]Chuck D awesome name,

[38:50]Terminator X,

[38:51]probably the best name.

[38:52]The best name of all time.

[38:53]These track names on this album are absolutely ridiculously named.

[38:57]And I'm here.

[38:57]I think one thing about the track names and I could be wrong on this,

[39:00]but my understanding is a lot of the track names are named after other

[39:02]songs or other kinds of things in pop culture at the time.

[39:05]So I think that's why some of the reason why the names click with people

[39:08]is their,

[39:08]their names that are kind of recognizable or their names that relate to

[39:12]other things in pop culture at the time.

[39:14]All right,

[39:14]should we get into the album?

[39:15]First one countdown to Armageddon.

[39:21]Here's Professor Griff coming out and yelling at everybody.

[39:26]This is actual live concert footage,

[39:27]right?

[39:27]Yeah.

[39:28]So this is them in London on that 1987 Def Jam tour.

[39:32]Yeah.

[39:33]Oh my God.

[39:38]That siren.

[39:38]I need that siren in my life all the time.

[39:40]Like if I came out in the morning,

[39:42]I was like,

[39:42]kids,

[39:44]do you want waffles or pancakes?

[39:45]And the siren is playing.

[39:46]Everybody be like,

[39:47]yeah,

[39:47]bring the noise.

[39:51]Too black.

[39:52]Too strong.

[39:53]Yo Chuck,

[39:55]these honey drippers are still fun on us.

[39:57]Show them that we can do this.

[39:58]Cause we always knew this.

[40:00]Ha ha.

[40:00]Yeah,

[40:01]boys.

[40:02]Bates.

[40:03]How low can you go?

[40:04]Death row.

[40:05]What a brother.

[40:06]No,

[40:07]once again,

[40:07]back is the incredible.

[40:09]I'm animal.

[40:10]Be uncannable.

[40:11]The public enemy.

[40:12]Number one.

[40:13]Five votes said freeze.

[40:14]And I got numb.

[40:15]Can I tell them that I really never had a gun?

[40:17]I mean,

[40:18]that pretty much sums it up,

[40:19]right?

[40:19]It's like this.

[40:20]It's like this rap,

[40:21]but it's something,

[40:21]you never heard before.

[40:22]It was just this noise in the background.

[40:25]I think that noise is actually funkadelic.

[40:28]So I was excited that,

[40:30]uh,

[40:31]this record gave me a reason to go back and listen to funkadelic.

[40:33]And my son is three and three quarters,

[40:36]three and a half,

[40:37]I guess.

[40:37]And he's finally at a point where when I put funkadelic on the car stereo,

[40:41]you can see it blow his mind in real time.

[40:44]So I'm super,

[40:45]I was super stoked,

[40:45]but I'm pretty sure bring the noise.

[40:47]Uh,

[40:48]I did a lot of reading this week.

[40:49]Uh,

[40:49]Christopher,

[40:50]Christopher Weingarten's book about,

[40:51]about this,

[40:52]uh,

[40:52]about this album.

[40:53]And I think that,

[40:54]uh,

[40:55]kind of squeal and bring noises from,

[40:56]um,

[40:57]get off your ass and jam by funkadelic.

[40:59]Did you go and listen to every thing that this album samples?

[41:02]You can't,

[41:03]I couldn't,

[41:03]I didn't have time to listen to all of it.

[41:05]I listened to as much as I could find.

[41:07]No,

[41:07]I couldn't listen to everything.

[41:08]I mean,

[41:08]some of it I recognize,

[41:09]but I,

[41:09]I didn't listen to everything.

[41:11]Like it's impossible.

[41:11]Is this like one of the first albums,

[41:13]maybe Aaron,

[41:13]you can touch on this.

[41:14]Is this one of the first albums that was like really focused on sampling is like,

[41:17]that's the whole background music,

[41:19]right?

[41:19]Is sampling of other things that have been done before.

[41:21]Like that's different than when we listen to a band where they're playing the,

[41:24]you know,

[41:24]the three typical instruments or something like that.

[41:27]Is this kind of one of the first albums that really use sampling to really push

[41:31]it forward?

[41:31]Yeah.

[41:33]And there are people who know this technology and this history way better

[41:37]than I do.

[41:38]So you should go read,

[41:39]read them.

[41:40]Um,

[41:40]Christopher Weingarten being the most recent that I read,

[41:43]um,

[41:44]Jeff Chang being another one and I'm going to forget the rest,

[41:47]but,

[41:47]um,

[41:48]yeah.

[41:48]So again,

[41:49]um,

[41:50]as we talked about with thriller and songs in the key of life,

[41:52]uh,

[41:53]and a few other albums,

[41:54]the story of music is the story of technology and,

[41:57]uh,

[41:57]samplers were,

[41:59]um,

[42:00]much more powerful starting around this time.

[42:03]So people could,

[42:05]uh,

[42:05]record longer snippets of music and,

[42:07]uh,

[42:08]use them within their own music.

[42:09]And so as the technology was growing,

[42:11]the,

[42:12]the art itself was growing.

[42:14]So it depended on it.

[42:15]So the SB12 was the big one.

[42:16]Um,

[42:17]there may have been another sampler that they're using that I've already

[42:19]forgotten,

[42:19]but,

[42:20]uh,

[42:21]yeah,

[42:21]I think this is,

[42:21]this is the time.

[42:22]And also it was before,

[42:24]I think of the SB12 usually when I think of samplers,

[42:26]it was before the litigation that came on.

[42:29]Uh,

[42:30]and so this was the wild West.

[42:32]You could,

[42:32]you could use samples without paying for them.

[42:34]And,

[42:35]that didn't last that long.

[42:36]So,

[42:36]yeah,

[42:36]I think this was,

[42:37]uh,

[42:38]both the beginning of the sampling era and kind of the height of it,

[42:40]because you could never have an album with this many samples on it ever

[42:43]again,

[42:43]because no label was going to pay for it.

[42:45]Yeah.

[42:47]Chuck D talks a lot about how he sued people.

[42:49]He got,

[42:49]sued a ton for his samples.

[42:50]And then he sued a lot of people for using his voice,

[42:52]like in a malt liquor commercial.

[42:54]He's like,

[42:54]I'm going to sue him for that.

[42:55]He's like,

[42:55]I've been on both sides.

[42:56]It's just the way it is now.

[42:57]He said,

[42:57]you could never make an album like this.

[42:59]It's interesting though.

[43:00]When I think about sampling,

[43:01]I always think about like appetizers.

[43:02]Yeah.

[43:03]I think,

[43:03]I think of walking through the grocery store and there's that old lady in

[43:06]the corner and she's giving out like the mini wieners with the bacon

[43:09]wrapped around them.

[43:10]No one's ever sued me for that yet,

[43:12]but I hope it doesn't happen.

[43:13]I should probably not be going back three or four times,

[43:17]but you walk up to her and go,

[43:19]Ace,

[43:19]how low can you go?

[43:21]And she's like,

[43:21]here's some pigs in a blanket.

[43:22]But I think that song perfectly sums up this album.

[43:25]I mean,

[43:25]it starts with Malcolm X.

[43:26]It talks about the nation of Islam with Louis Farrakhan.

[43:29]And he's also talking about,

[43:31]he calls out a number of bands in that song.

[43:33]I mean,

[43:33]bring the noise is literally him talking about how a lot of musicians

[43:36]don't think what they do is music at the time.

[43:38]Like they literally just called it noise,

[43:40]which is why they called the song.

[43:42]Don't bring the noise.

[43:42]So next up,

[43:43]we have a flavor Flav coming in a little bit harder on this one.

[43:47]Don't believe the hype.

[43:49]This is the number three single.

[43:50]Talking about the media.

[43:51]Jeez.

[43:59]And they use that sax squeal so much.

[44:03]That, I think, is from James Brown.

[44:05]James Brown also went through the sampling roller coaster.

[44:11]I mean, this voice of Chuck D, super powerful.

[44:16]I mean, everybody's said it before, but really powerful.

[44:18]This is one of the first albums where I can understand almost every word he says.

[44:21]Like, a lot of times, I don't know what he's referencing,

[44:23]but I can at least understand what he's saying.

[44:25]And then you have Flavor Flav come in with this totally different vibe.

[44:28]I mean, it's pretty unbelievable.

[44:29]So, Aaron, what did you think about that song?

[44:34]Sucks.

[44:35]Okay, Aaron, well, that's not appropriate.

[44:38]I don't think we need to say that.

[44:39]I can't believe you'd say that,

[44:42]and I'm definitely not going to say that after every major song.

[44:44]So, that's too bad that you don't think that.

[44:46]I actually like Don't Believe the Hype.

[44:48]I think it's a good one.

[44:48]But it's not as good as the next one, which I love.

[44:51]This is my favorite song on the album.

[44:52]This makes Rob's mixtape of the week.

[44:54]This is Cold Lampin'.

[44:56]Now, what is Cold Lampin'?

[44:59]It's a response, right, to a diss from DJ Magic.

[45:05]God, Aaron, you cut me off.

[45:08]What?

[45:09]I was just about to say it's a response to DJ Mike Magic's.

[45:14]Okay, here we go.

[45:14]Cold Lampin'.

[45:17]I thought Cold Lampin' was what Aaron was doing out in that tent in the garage.

[45:20]I thought you were actually asking.

[45:21]We've played a lot of clips with Flava Flav involved,

[45:24]and I think this was the one song where it's essentially him the whole time.

[45:27]And it's my understanding that Public Enemy is kind of like the Beatles,

[45:31]where the Beatles would let Ringo do one song every album,

[45:34]and Public Enemy would let Flava Flav do one song every album.

[45:37]And I have to say, I loved the Beatles songs when they would do that,

[45:42]like with a little help from my friends

[45:43]and whatever the other underwater sea song that we did a few weeks ago.

[45:47]Weeks back with Ringo was.

[45:48]And I like the Flava Flav songs, too.

[45:50]I like it.

[45:51]Octopus's Garden.

[45:53]This song is good.

[45:53]Yeah, I like it.

[45:54]I do.

[45:55]It's a total change of pace, and I love it.

[45:57]And this also sets the tone for the next album,

[45:59]where he comes out with 9-1-1 as a joke,

[46:01]which I still think of as the quintessential Public Enemy song,

[46:04]which is why it barely has Chuck D on it at all.

[46:06]All right, so the next one, Terminator X.

[46:09]Do yourself a favor.

[46:10]Google Terminator X, what he looks like right now.

[46:13]He is absolutely terrifying.

[46:15]Now, Terminator X is kind of an interesting story.

[46:16]He got in a motorcycle.

[46:17]He got in a motorcycle accident in the late 80s.

[46:18]He now raises ostriches down south somewhere.

[46:22]After he finds them, does he walk away and every time say,

[46:24]I'll be back?

[46:26]So here's the deal.

[46:31]Have you guys ever seen an ostrich up close, by the way?

[46:32]Yeah.

[46:33]Jenny used to live next to an ostrich farm.

[46:35]Their legs look just like one of those turkey legs.

[46:38]And I was like, God, I would eat one of these things so fast.

[46:41]Can you imagine a huge oven?

[46:42]You cook up an ostrich as a turkey.

[46:43]Oh, and you fill it full of stuffing.

[46:45]Oh, that'd be so great.

[46:47]This might be a story for another podcast,

[46:48]but I have been to an exotic animal show in Chili Cod, Missouri.

[46:51]Nope, it's the story for this podcast.

[46:52]Can you show us more?

[46:53]No, that's a story for this podcast.

[46:55]Nope, we'll do it now.

[46:56]Yes.

[46:56]So is it true that you ran this and you were kind of a Joe Exotic situation

[47:01]and you would hire women to come down and help you out in dressing cat outfits?

[47:04]Is that true?

[47:04]That part is not true, but I did attend with my grandfather.

[47:10]And my dad is listening.

[47:11]It was not my dad's dad.

[47:12]He'll appreciate the joke there.

[47:17]Yeah, I went to an exotic animal show.

[47:19]They had some ostriches.

[47:20]They had a, I do remember they had a wolverine and a badger.

[47:26]And the wolverine was pretty docile.

[47:27]And the badger would jump at the side of a cage anytime anyone walked near the cage.

[47:32]And it was like, I don't know, in a barn somewhere off a highway in Chili Cod.

[47:36]This wasn't downtown Minneapolis.

[47:37]There wasn't a pole and you weren't throwing $1 bills on the stage.

[47:40]What were you wearing?

[47:41]I was going to say, do you have to stuff your money down exotic?

[47:44]Exotic.

[47:46]I was going to say an exotic animal show.

[47:49]Like, do you have to give them the ones in their underwear or what?

[47:51]What's the deal?

[47:52]But it's the same damn joke.

[47:53]God dang it, Rob.

[47:54]Okay.

[47:56]Unfortunately, I also do have a sound clip for that.

[47:58]I should say.

[47:59]I had to make that in front of my kids.

[48:10]Okay.

[48:11]Were they nodding the whole time?

[48:12]Yeah.

[48:14]And then I was like, can you do a voicemail where you call me?

[48:16]And say that you like new daddy better.

[48:18]And my daughter's like, okay.

[48:19]I was like, wait, what?

[48:20]You're not even going to ask what's going on.

[48:22]You don't care.

[48:23]Yes.

[48:23]Steve is a great guy.

[48:24]All right.

[48:26]So Terminator X to the edge of panic.

[48:29]That is a fucking good name.

[48:31]This whole album is so loud and it just has to be played loud.

[48:42]I did listen to it today at the gym when I was lifting with headphones.

[48:46]It sounds so good in headphones.

[48:49]It sounds so like all encompassing and just terrifying.

[48:52]I was walking through Harlem today to get to the gym and I just felt like it's such a

[48:56]badass listening to this.

[48:57]And I was, I just prayed.

[48:58]I prayed.

[48:59]Somebody at the gym was like, oh, what are you listening to?

[49:00]And I was like, fucking public enemy.

[49:02]Cause you know, normally it's like, that should be called teapot X, not Terminator X.

[49:07]Literally.

[49:08]It was just a teapot hissing in the background for like five minutes.

[49:11]And I realized like, Hey, maybe people think this is cool to me.

[49:14]The teapot on a few of these songs is like the best.

[49:16]Bob Dylan harmonica.

[49:18]I can't handle it.

[49:19]I'm not into it.

[49:20]It does raise my blood pressure.

[49:22]I agree.

[49:23]It raises my blood pressure.

[49:24]It's supposed to make you angry.

[49:25]You're supposed to get angry about all the stuff they're talking about.

[49:27]One thing I was going to say is, is one kind of cool thing I heard on this is we were talking

[49:32]about like sampling and sometimes like you, you hear these things in these songs.

[49:35]You're like, I know that, but I don't know what it is.

[49:37]And I heard this point on this song and I just had to bring it up.

[49:40]I think it's see if you guys recognize this.

[49:46]Oh, wait, is it cutting out?

[49:51]No, but that is actually, it's supposed to be that way.

[49:55]That is actually the theme from Flash Gordon by Queen.

[49:58]God damn it.

[49:59]I thought that was really cool.

[50:03]Like, you know, there's so many samples on this, but to hear one that you recognize and like, you know, exactly.

[50:06]Oh, I know what that's from.

[50:07]I thought that was really cool.

[50:08]Also, when I heard this one, this is definitely not the time.

[50:14]It made me think of a lot.

[50:16]When I heard the Flash Gordon sample, I didn't know it was Flash Gordon Russell.

[50:20]So good, good pull on that one.

[50:21]It did remind me a lot of what a lot of what Kanye does on my beautiful, my beautiful dark twisted fantasy, which we're going to get to soon.

[50:29]So I think Kanye was borrowing from Public Enemy, who was borrowing from whomever when they started sampling prog rock and that sort of thing.

[50:37]Like that was out of the realm of ideas and they brought it in.

[50:41]I had heard this because I also used to listen to the Highlander soundtrack, which is.

[50:46]Also Queen.

[50:47]Here we go.

[50:48]Check this out.

[50:49]This song is number one for songs that I'll listen to the first 30 seconds of and then the rest I couldn't.

[50:58]It sounds like Public Enemy thought the same of it.

[51:01]They used the first 20 seconds and then moved on.

[51:03]Yeah.

[51:03]Right there.

[51:05]I'm just like, OK, goodbye.

[51:06]That's how they had to discover this stuff back then.

[51:08]Right.

[51:08]They went to record sales.

[51:11]They grabbed a bunch of records from the crates and then they just dropped the needle over and over again until they found it.

[51:16]They found a snippet they liked and they had to remember that it was.

[51:20]That's the whole thing.

[51:21]Yeah.

[51:21]Way different than us pulling stuff up on YouTube or whatever.

[51:25]These people had to go and buy a physical copy and then they didn't know what it was going to sound like.

[51:29]So they dropped the needle.

[51:30]I mean, they would have loved to have it, you know, Dick Goggs back then.

[51:33]They go to check out or, you know, go to Pearl Jam dot com to get all their favorite albums.

[51:37]Right.

[51:38]No, they're just buying it by the crate.

[51:39]All right.

[51:41]So Mind Terrorist.

[51:46]This is one of the kind of short interludes that they had in the album.

[51:50]Such good flavor, flavor, though.

[51:54]I love it.

[51:56]All right.

[51:56]Louder than a bomb.

[51:58]This one.

[51:59]Chuck D just knocked over my old stuff.

[52:07]Right.

[52:08]I just walked over a car.

[52:09]I mean, such a distinctive voice.

[52:13]What do you think of the first set side of this album?

[52:15]You know, Chuck D could be with.

[52:16]NWA would be phenomenal, right?

[52:20]We know who he is and what's going on and everything.

[52:22]It just bugged the Flavor Flav album or the Flavor Flav portion of this group just bothers me.

[52:31]You know, he's he is all, you know, he's all up there.

[52:35]He's all about the show and he's all about just getting the laughs and getting the likes and all that.

[52:41]He's the disgusting.

[52:42]He's the modern day version of one of these influencers.

[52:46]You know, on Tik Tok or the Robin Russ version of this podcast, you know, and I feel like

[52:52]the message that Chuck D is trying to say gets lost half the time because of what Flavor

[52:58]Flav's got going on and half of this.

[53:00]And I'm struggling with this because half of it, if I didn't know Flavor Flav from all

[53:05]those stupid MTV shows that he was on and everything else he's done past that, you know,

[53:10]I might not think that, but knowing Flavor Flav for who he is now, it just, it, it, it

[53:16]it, I struggle with it because I, I absolutely love listening to what Chuck D has to say.

[53:21]I think he's a phenomenal artist and certainly ahead of his time for what he's doing here

[53:27]with the rap genre.

[53:30]You know, we taught, we brought up Marvin Gaye and the influence of what's going on

[53:34]and they were using this album as a what's going on for what they had going on in their

[53:39]lives.

[53:40]And so I don't know, it, it, I just, every time Flavor Flav comes on, I just struggle

[53:44]with it.

[53:45]It drives me bonkers.

[53:46]I don't know.

[53:46]One thing, Matt, is this an okay, Matt was kind of mentioning that he kind of liked Chuck

[53:54]D's rapping style, but he wasn't into Flavor Flav, but do you guys know another person that

[53:58]tried to emulate Chuck D's rapping style was actually Beck.

[54:03]And so when Beck came onto the scene, when he was rapping in his songs, he tried to emulate

[54:07]Chuck D and one of the songs he really did that on was Loser.

[54:11]Maybe Rob, you could pull that one up.

[54:16]So Beck had heard himself on some of his early albums and just thought like, I'm trying to

[54:23]be like Chuck D and I am the absolute worst rapper in the world.

[54:26]And that is kind of one of the things that led to him singing this song Loser because

[54:31]he thought he was a terrible rapper.

[54:32]And so I got to ask you when it comes to being terrible rappers, who does it better?

[54:37]Flavor Flav is horrible.

[54:41]Oh, no way.

[54:43]So Beck did it better.

[54:44]You know what?

[54:44]I don't, I, I cannot.

[54:46]I cannot disagree with you more, man.

[54:47]I, I love Flavor Flav.

[54:49]I think he adds something to this album.

[54:50]I think if it was all Chuck D, this would just be dismissed as like, I don't know what,

[54:55]like just a super kind of political angry, but with the Flavor Flav, you get kind of these

[55:00]little drops of like, Hey, we can still have fun and talk about serious things.

[55:03]What if you put, what if you put a clown?

[55:06]What if you put a clown on?

[55:08]Yes.

[55:09]Sign me up.

[55:09]Whatever you're going to say next.

[55:10]Sign me up in my bathroom.

[55:16]You know, Chuck D is just as good as all of them.

[55:19]He's got, it's just as big of a message and he's just as good as any of these influential

[55:23]artists that come in the early nineties.

[55:25]I would argue that I would want to hear Flavor Flav on every one of those albums as well.

[55:29]I would argue that Chuck D's message is more important than a lot of those rappers that

[55:32]we, that you've mentioned.

[55:33]And that I think part of the reason that Flavor Flav works with this group is he brings a little

[55:38]honey when everything else is very in your face.

[55:40]And I think it, I think it brings like a lightheartedness, which brings people into it.

[55:44]So I think there's.

[55:44]It's not a lighthearted message.

[55:46]That's my point.

[55:47]You're, you're watering down the message by having this little guy in the background going,

[55:51]yeah, boy, 9,000 times.

[55:54]Hey, you need a hype man.

[55:57]I would kill to have a hype man.

[55:58]Rosie.

[55:59]Well, what do you.

[56:00]I try to laugh at your jokes, Rob.

[56:02]I do think.

[56:05]What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[56:07]He's trying.

[56:07]He's trying to laugh at him, Rob.

[56:09]He's trying, but it's so hard.

[56:11]I think Matt.

[56:12]That's what she said.

[56:13]It makes sense that someone would.

[56:16]Not enjoy Flav, particularly now what we know about Flav, but I think there are groups that

[56:23]went all in on the, the message that Chuck was going with and we don't remember them.

[56:31]They didn't get played anywhere.

[56:32]Like public enemy didn't get played on the radio, but they did get placed in movies.

[56:36]We know who they are.

[56:38]So I, I think that there is a certain amount of business involved in keeping Flav around

[56:44]because if the message was going to get played, it was going to get played on the radio.

[56:46]It was going to get repeated.

[56:47]And if they were going to sell enough to still be around, then they needed something kind

[56:52]of different.

[56:53]So, so it goes against what we've talked about earlier about, is it selling albums or is

[56:58]it getting the message out?

[56:59]Well, I mean, maybe it goes against, but I, I think that they're kind of related.

[57:05]So I, I'm saying like, I think there are groups that went hardcore for the message,

[57:08]but we don't remember them because they don't make it to NWA.

[57:11]We're not talking about them.

[57:12]Biggie Smalls.

[57:13]How dare you use our words against us, man.

[57:15]No, no, no.

[57:16]I'm talking about, I'm talking about KMD, talking about X-Clan, you know, I think there

[57:21]are other brand newbie.

[57:22]And I think there are groups that really went further to, to do the message and they didn't

[57:27]make it to the Rolling Stone top 500.

[57:29]If you were to pull America and said, oh, you know, tell me about this group.

[57:34]Are they going to bring up Chuck D's name or are they going to bring up Flav or Flav?

[57:37]Well, I think that's a, that's a question of like, Hey, are you pulling white America?

[57:41]Are you pulling black?

[57:43]I think that's a very, it's a, it's a, people have a very different.

[57:46]Different experience with this album.

[57:47]Like, I guess I'm saying they don't, they don't make it to whatever number they are

[57:51]on the Rolling Stone list without Flav.

[57:52]I don't think.

[57:53]And then, well, I, you know, yeah, but I, I think, I think, and they need us to be talking

[57:57]about us or their legacy is fucked.

[57:59]Like if we're not, if we are not talking about them on this podcast, they got, oh man.

[58:03]But think about, I mean, think about it.

[58:05]The reason I liked any public enemy at all was literally Flav or Flav because I had no,

[58:10]I mean, what Chuck D was saying had, I could relate to it 0%.

[58:14]I had no idea what he was talking.

[58:16]I was talking about nothing, but Flav or Flav, I was like, yeah, this is Flav or Flav is

[58:19]kind of my spirit animal.

[58:20]Like that's, I wouldn't mind being Flav or Flav.

[58:22]I think it's fun.

[58:22]He had a reality show where somebody took a dump on the stairs.

[58:26]That is what I am here for.

[58:27]I love that stuff.

[58:28]That's fun.

[58:29]Again, opinions are opinions.

[58:31]Everybody's got their opinion.

[58:31]I'm not saying anybody's is right or wrong, but Flav or Flav is the reason I don't listen

[58:36]to it.

[58:36]Fair enough.

[58:37]Yeah.

[58:37]I would say if you don't like the kettle whistle and you don't like Flav or Flav, this might

[58:41]not be your favorite album.

[58:42]I'm going to go out on a ledge and say that.

[58:44]All right.

[58:45]Caught.

[58:45]Can we get a witness?

[58:46]I mean, it is true though.

[58:50]The pace of all these songs is up tempo.

[58:52]They're fast.

[58:53]I did want the opening of this podcast being Public Enemy taking us to court for using

[59:01]their music inappropriately, but I wasn't sure if Russell would go for that.

[59:04]No, I mean, that would be ideal.

[59:06]Like if we ended up in the news and we got more publicity because we got sued by Public

[59:10]Enemy, I'm down.

[59:10]Like the only thing that would be better is if Star Wars sued us, right?

[59:15]And then everybody listens to the podcast.

[59:17]They're like, I got to hear this episode.

[59:18]They're getting sued over.

[59:19]And it starts with a siren.

[59:20]And my kids say that she likes new daddy better.

[59:22]And they'd be like, okay, I don't have to listen to this episode.

[59:24]I actually don't care.

[59:25]Can you imagine some poor jury having to sit through this?

[59:28]So now that was side one.

[59:30]And like I said before, right before they're going to press it, that was actually side

[59:33]two.

[59:33]It was going to end with caught.

[59:34]Can we get a witness?

[59:35]And it was going to open with show them what you got.

[59:38]And at the last moment, Hank Shockley, the bomb squad said, nope, I want to switch it

[59:41]around totally.

[59:42]All right.

[59:43]Show them what you got.

[59:44]Start a side.

[59:45]Two.

[59:45]That horn is so famous.

[59:52]You got, we have to know this from other songs, right?

[59:55]I can't think of any off the top of my head, Russell.

[60:00]So it turns out, it turns out that public enemy, so we know this from other songs, but

[60:05]public enemy actually sampled this from a song called darkest light by the Lafayette

[60:10]Afro rock band.

[60:11]And they recorded this song in 1974.

[60:13]Rob, can you pull that one?

[60:15]Oh, it's so good.

[60:20]So this was this funk rock band that recorded this song probably 10 years before this, this

[60:27]public enemy album.

[60:28]And this song has been sampled 128 times, 128 times it's been sampled.

[60:36]So you guys know it from all these other songs.

[60:37]So I thought I would give you a list of the five greatest songs that have ever sampled

[60:42]this song darkest light.

[60:45]It's been sampled about as many times as all of our episodes have been downloaded.

[60:48]Total.

[60:49]We're not there yet.

[60:50]We're not even close to being there yet.

[60:51]So, so public enemy samples this, but I'm going to give you guys five other songs that

[61:11]have sampled this and I want to hear what you guys think is the best one that's ever

[61:14]used the, used the song.

[61:15]The first one is someone who's on our top 500 list a few times.

[61:19]We have Jay-Z.

[61:20]Show me what you got.

[61:21]Wasn't this off his Budweiser album?

[61:24]I feel like this was in a commercial.

[61:25]This is stuff like after the blackout and when he came back and it was like fully commercial.

[61:31]This is more than I've ever listened to Jay-Z in my whole life.

[61:35]Oh, wow.

[61:35]Oh, we're going to have some fun talking about the blueprint, Rob.

[61:38]Yeah.

[61:39]I, I, Jay-Z is a fascinating character to me.

[61:42]Number two.

[61:44]Number two on the list.

[61:45]And I've only, I only know one song from this guy, but let me know if maybe Rosie or Matt,

[61:49]you know, this guy, Chubb Rock.

[61:51]The song is called The Hatred.

[61:52]Ooh, I don't know this song.

[61:55]Aaron kept saying when he went into his tent, it's time for Chubb Rock.

[61:59]It's time to score an own goal on Chubb Rock.

[62:00]But I got to go in my tent.

[62:02]I know, I know the only Chubb Rock song I know is Treat Him Right.

[62:05]Yeah.

[62:05]That's the one I know too.

[62:06]Yeah.

[62:08]This is nice.

[62:11]I think Chuck D was a fan of Chubb Rock, right?

[62:14]This also sounds like a Snoop Dogg song.

[62:16]Oh, totally.

[62:18]Because they're sampling, hey, they're doing Atomic Dogg, which is a George Platt song.

[62:21]And I got to say, if you look at a picture of Chubb Rock, he looks like a guy that would

[62:26]be named Chubb Rock.

[62:27]I'll just put it that way.

[62:28]When he said, hey, my name is Chubb Rock, you'd be like, yes, it is.

[62:30]Not to bury the lead, but there's another guy who might be nicknamed after being Chubby

[62:34]coming up here on this list.

[62:35]So next up on the list is Ice Cube Friday.

[62:39]You guys will remember this one.

[62:44]So they kind of make it a little quicker at the end.

[62:46]They don't let the saxophone drag out, but it's the same thing.

[62:49]Oh, they looped it different, yeah.

[62:52]Remember Debo?

[62:58]Remember him knocking out Debo at the end of Friday?

[63:00]Imagine if some clown was on top of that going, yeah, boy.

[63:06]I'm telling you, you're wrong.

[63:08]You're horrible.

[63:09]I love Ice Cube.

[63:10]All right, next up, number two on the list, the best sampling of this song.

[63:14]It's Heavy D and the Boys, You Can't See What I Can See.

[63:17]Hey, check this out.

[63:19]I love part of the lyrics here.

[63:21]Hey, who's that?

[63:24]I'm singing on top of it.

[63:25]I already don't like it.

[63:27]Slave.

[63:28]Here we go.

[63:40]Check this out.

[63:40]Yes, I am.

[63:43]Yes, I am.

[63:43]The big belly.

[63:44]I love how he calls himself a big belly band.

[63:48]I don't know if Biggie Smalls ever did this, but calling yourself a big belly band in the

[63:52]middle of your rap is just top notch to me.

[63:54]No one listened to Heavy D enough.

[63:56]No one's ever had a bad time listening to Heavy D, and I only know like four of his

[63:59]songs, and every one of them is just so much fun.

[64:01]The tone of his voice is so good.

[64:04]Why do so many rap verses start with, here I go, here I go, here I go again?

[64:07]Is it just like, can you just rap anything after that, and it sounds awesome?

[64:10]It does for Heavy D.

[64:11]Maybe it's just because he's sampling that.

[64:14]This song, Darkest Light.

[64:15]Heavy D came out right in the middle of gangster rap, and he'd be perfect for today's rap.

[64:21]And so he was just a little bit out of, he was a little ahead of his time.

[64:25]If he would have come out maybe, I don't know, eight, ten years later, he would have

[64:30]been pretty big.

[64:31]Well, you know who was not out of their time?

[64:33]Rex and Effect, Rump Shaker is the number one song that ever sampled this song.

[64:38]Oh yeah, for sure.

[64:39]Can't disagree.

[64:42]One of the first CDs I ever bought.

[64:43]Might have been number one.

[64:44]I believe we discussed this on a previous episode.

[64:48]It's a great video.

[64:49]Did you get the single where they had this on one side, and then like this on the B side

[64:53]too?

[64:53]Like that was the album?

[64:54]How many other songs did they have?

[64:58]You know who wrote the third verse of this song?

[65:02]No.

[65:02]Pharrell Williams.

[65:04]Wow, I did not know that.

[65:06]A true American hero.

[65:07]The third verse that everyone can definitely remember.

[65:09]It's like Vanilla Ice when he gets to that third verse, and you're like, I'm not so sure

[65:12]on this one.

[65:12]I know the other ones really well.

[65:14]All right, so I will say this.

[65:16]That conversation does make me want to say, were you guys, I don't know if I've ever listened

[65:21]to rap that wasn't gangster rap, and this, I would say, is pretty much the opposite of

[65:25]gangster rap.

[65:26]I mean, it's so similar in so many ways where they're kind of representing ideology, but

[65:30]it was so interesting to hear somebody rapping about social issues rather than bragging or

[65:36]talking about drugs or whatever.

[65:37]That's why it's where it's at on the list.

[65:39]Did I tell you guys I had a rap group when I was a kid?

[65:41]Have I ever told you about the band I was in?

[65:44]What?

[65:44]Russell, we don't have time to talk in a rap group.

[65:47]We cannot do this.

[65:47]Just kidding.

[65:48]Let's go.

[65:48]All right, baby.

[65:49]So I had a rap group.

[65:52]I probably would have been about between nine, ten years old, somewhere in there.

[65:55]So I had a rap group with four of, would have been my brother and two other kids in our

[65:59]neighborhood, and our band name or our rap group name was called The Bad Boys, and we

[66:05]did.

[66:05]Now, wait a minute.

[66:07]How did you spell boys?

[66:08]I can't remember if there was a Z or a Y or an S, so I don't remember if we had any

[66:11]publications out there or any recordings.

[66:13]I don't know if there was a Y.

[66:14]So I don't know how we spelled it correctly or not.

[66:16]Oh, my God.

[66:17]If anyone has a recording of The Bad Boys with Russell in it.

[66:19]I have a recording of it at my mom's house.

[66:21]I will give you $1,000.

[66:23]Oh, my God.

[66:24]Go get it right now.

[66:25]We will wait.

[66:25]Go get it in the car.

[66:26]Drive over there.

[66:27]What are you doing talking to us right now?

[66:28]Ma, ma, I'm here for that cassette.

[66:31]I was just listening to The Bad Boys.

[66:32]Please don't take this cassette from me.

[66:34]I never really thought about it.

[66:34]So we did two concerts, and our second one was a Christmas concert where we hosted all

[66:38]the neighborhood parents, and we charged them money, like a dollar to come sit in my basement

[66:43]and listen to us rap.

[66:44]But it's funny because I never really realized it now, but I was essentially the flavor of

[66:52]our group because I only got to rap one song.

[66:54]My buddy, Bill, who listens to our podcast, he rapped on all the other ones, and I just

[66:59]kind of played some fake keyboard bullshit in the back.

[67:01]What's Bill's last name?

[67:02]Oh, Bill's up in here?

[67:03]Where does he live?

[67:03]Bill's listening.

[67:04]But I only got to rap on one song, but there's a video of us doing our 45-minute concert.

[67:10]But the best part about our Christmas concert.

[67:12]45 minutes.

[67:13]Wow.

[67:13]It was legit.

[67:14]It was legit.

[67:15]Jesus, a 45-minute concert of the bad boys?

[67:18]Yeah, the bad boys.

[67:18]But the coolest thing about our big concert was the whole time we publicized that we had

[67:26]a special new member of the band that would be joining us for that concert that no one

[67:30]had ever seen before.

[67:30]So, now wait a minute.

[67:33]Time out, time out.

[67:33]Because you're rushing this story, and I know that you're worried about time or whatever.

[67:36]We cannot rush this story.

[67:38]We need to milk this story.

[67:39]We need to milk this story like Dirty Granny would.

[67:42]Here's the thing.

[67:44]Okay?

[67:44]Wait a minute.

[67:45]I'm going to retake that joke.

[67:46]We need to milk this story like Aaron doing a own goal on the tent.

[67:50]Here's the thing.

[67:52]You got to keep it off yourself.

[67:53]You got to get a towel or something.

[67:54]So, here's the thing.

[67:57]Gross.

[67:57]Again, I do not support this.

[67:59]Now, that's a two-point conversion.

[68:01]Okay.

[68:02]Okay.

[68:03]No.

[68:03]We're not talking about.

[68:04]Oh, God.

[68:05]So, here's the thing.

[68:06]Is that how did you.

[68:07]You say you promoted this.

[68:08]How did you promote it?

[68:09]And I'm going to tell you what I'm picturing.

[68:11]Hand-drawn flyers.

[68:12]And you have one person.

[68:13]And you have one person.

[68:13]the band that can do that stussy x or the s you know for the end of bad boys or like i can draw

[68:19]that s i've been working out of my notebook so that's i mean my guess is we probably took notebook

[68:23]paper with like the blue lines across it and made some sort of picture and then went and put it

[68:27]around in like neighbors front doors or something like that oh my god if i had a time machine

[68:33]i would go back and watch that that's it i've always i can share it with you guys

[68:37]that'd be okay the coolest thing about our our second and final concert was our christmas

[68:46]concert but we promoted the whole time that hey we have a new special member of the band and they're

[68:51]going to making they're going to be making their debut at the bad boys christmas concert okay wait

[68:57]a minute i'm gonna pray right now that the special guest was santa claus and he came out and said my

[69:01]name is santa and i'm here to say i want to rap in a christmas way please that's about i asked

[69:07]that's about 90 correct so what we did was we literally did like the first 35 minutes of the

[69:13]concert with just three of us without my brother and so my brother just like sat upstairs by himself

[69:18]and then at the very end of the concert my brother comes walking down dressed as santa claus

[69:24]and he's like yelling ho ho ho as he's the new like fourth member of the band and he literally

[69:29]he walked around to all the people in my basement and handed out like you guys remember those nfl

[69:34]pencils like the oakland raiders pencil

[69:37]the minnesota bike this story keeps getting better

[69:40]santa claus came down and handed out nfl pencils to our audience members and then we played one

[69:47]song with him where he like tried to get this drum machine to work and was just like slamming

[69:51]it against the wall and that was the end of the concert and we never played again we broke up

[69:56]just like the clash you're breaking your instruments at the end

[70:00]just one concert please please i'll pay a thousand dollars

[70:06]right now i'll pay a thousand dollars to get the bad boys together

[70:09]i will buy a i'll throw a 20 you got a thousand let's go

[70:13]oh my god it's so good i wonder who's made more money professionally sing me or aaron

[70:18]uh probably you yeah probably you yeah i would have kicked aaron's ass off my wedding so fast

[70:27]and have russ and the bad boys come rap at that wedding oh my god please i would have been like

[70:33]they would have been like what song do you want i was like i don't want the song i want the whole

[70:35]thing i want 35 minutes of rap at my wedding here's the rams pencil enjoy

[70:39]all right she watched channel zero so this is a cover of that's sampling slayer totally wild

[70:50]this kind of this kind of blew me away all of a sudden you've got like you know heavy metal

[70:56]right in the middle of this album where it's totally different and his voice fits over the

[71:01]top of that so well it's so cool the night of the living bass heads he mixed up the movie night of

[71:07]the living dead and uh people who are addicted to crack i mean isn't it so interesting the message

[71:22]here is like don't deal drugs it's so different than when i was used to all right i missed i was

[71:28]going to make a joke and i i was late on it um because we got so enthralled with russell's rap

[71:33]career which we do need an entire episode on but uh it's been it's been a minute since rob said

[71:40]uh did the bill simmons and ask us the question answered his own question then and then ran over

[71:46]any of us who might have answered the question that he asked about if we listen to rap other

[71:49]than gangster rap but what else did you listen to aaron uh i so i i my uh with public enemy i

[71:57]actually knew fear of a black planet a little bit i didn't know this so much but um i i went

[72:03]through like a really big hip-hop phase in my early 20s and i went i went like in sort of these

[72:08]waves of like well i gotta listen to rap that like i can relate to so i got really into the

[72:13]minneapolis rap scene of like atmosphere and people who were like white dudes rapping about

[72:17]atmosphere it's just a 12-letter word you know right atmosphere and then and then i was like

[72:21]he's been eroding ever since i keep spraying those bottles outside and then it was like well i should

[72:26]i should only listen to like

[72:27]conscious rap because that's you know that's like what i believe in and then it turned out that like

[72:32]rap was always party music and so it just any rap that's good is is good with me so i've been

[72:38]through the whole whole gamut uh of of listening to rap music myself to answer your earlier question

[72:43]rap where would you where would you put chuck d on your favorite rapper list so the thing is i i

[72:49]wouldn't have put him up that high because i didn't know him that well before going back

[72:53]back through this so i i i would be fronting as they say if i put him near my top of my favorite

[73:00]rapper list because i i would be like i would be like i wouldn't be telling the truth but um

[73:07]i think he's incredible and i i think it actually uh it relates back to our aretha conversation

[73:13]and um i'm gonna get too long-winded about this but i will say some people are born with incredible

[73:19]voices chuck d was one of them and i think flavor is one of them and i think flavor is one of them

[73:23]was also born with an interesting voice yeah yes and and yeah and hank shockley and like the like

[73:31]yes and they use his voice like an instrument that's why his voice got sampled by other people

[73:36]because his voice is distinctive they use it like an instrument and i think it's and and they use

[73:40]the human voice as an instrument across this whole album which i think is fascinating so i don't know

[73:45]enough about public enemy to say that chuck d is in my top five favorite rappers but he's uh he's uh

[73:51]he's pretty incredible he's he's

[73:53]talented i want to send this out to any rap group right now you can sample this podcast all you want

[73:58]period go for it all you want hello you mentioned chuck d's voice like i noticed that too you know

[74:03]who i was talking about who beck emulated trying to emulate chuck d when he rapped you know who

[74:07]chuck d was trying to emulate when he started rapping i don't say back marv albert from being

[74:14]like a nicks fan or whatever and i thought that like yes i thought that was so cool that's totally

[74:18]awesome that would explain why he has that whole why he has that whole rap song about biting girls

[74:23]in the back and like dressing up in women's underwear and stuff i was like where did that

[74:27]come from but now i get it hidden that's right after right after party for your right to fight

[74:32]i have a prostitute in my hotel room yes and one i want her to bite me as hard as she possibly can

[74:40]yes from downtown i don't know like i could see wearing women's underwear

[74:48]being part of your turn on no not even a turn on just wear it it seems like great it's more

[74:53]comfortable it's like better design you should you know between now and next time we record i

[74:58]think you should try it you know one or two days and then just let us know how it goes yeah see i

[75:02]i could i think i could be down with that it seems like it's silky and soft and audio diary of

[75:06]yourself yeah yeah i'll just put a microphone down between my legs you guys can hear me walk

[75:10]around for a whole day and then the next week i'll try to have people bite me as my erotic fetish

[75:15]no thank you have you ever gotten bitten really hard it hurts like hell all right black steel in

[75:21]the hour of chaos

[75:23]so fun fact i read that this is chuckie's only murder ever committed on wax

[75:37]in the last verse he killed somebody it's the only time he killed somebody on record

[75:41]yeah he kills his the guard in prison so that's a song that was inspired by him when he was in

[75:48]middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment letter into the military for vietnam and he said

[75:53]it was a song that was inspired by him when he was in middle school he saw his uncle get a

[75:53]recruitment letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was a song that was inspired by

[75:53]his uncle get a recruitment letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was a song that was

[75:53]a song that was inspired by him when he was in middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment

[75:53]letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was a song that was inspired

[75:53]a song that was inspired by him when he was in middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment

[75:53]letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was a song that was inspired by him when he was in

[76:23]middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was

[76:23]a song that was inspired by him when he was in middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment

[76:23]letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was a song that was inspired by him when he was in

[76:23]middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was

[76:23]a song that was inspired by him when he was in middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment letter

[76:23]into the military for vietnam and he said it was a song that was inspired by him when he was in

[76:23]middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment letter into the military for vietnam and he said it was

[76:23]a song that was inspired by him when he was in middle school he saw his uncle get a recruitment letter

[76:23]firing up that teapot again.

[76:24]It's getting hot.

[76:25]That teapot is getting hot.

[76:27]This is from the James Brown song, The Grunt.

[76:29]That's where that noise comes from.

[76:31]But this is the one when they made,

[76:33]this is the first song they made on the album

[76:34]when they heard this.

[76:35]It's like, this is the song, the sound we want, big time.

[76:37]And also, I should tell you that the drums on this

[76:43]are not a sample of James Brown, Funky Drummer,

[76:45]because that's the drum beat,

[76:46]and they sample his voice at the end.

[76:47]This was actually recorded with Flavor Flav

[76:51]playing that on a drum beat for that whole time.

[76:53]Speaking of Flavor Flav.

[76:55]I don't see how he could do it.

[76:56]That'd be wild.

[76:56]That'd be so hard, I think.

[76:57]So for my drink of the night,

[76:59]I figured you guys would appreciate this.

[77:00]I decided to go with an old-fashioned,

[77:02]but I needed to spice it up a little bit.

[77:05]So instead of just using whiskey, regular brandy,

[77:08]I've used apple brandy, cinnamon, and cherry.

[77:10]Flavor bitters!

[77:12]All right, so just to let you know,

[77:18]that is the new intro of the podcast.

[77:19]I'm just going to play that.

[77:21]That is 10 times better than anything we've come up with.

[77:24]I don't even want to tell you how much time I spent

[77:28]thinking about what my cocktail would be

[77:29]to get out the Flavor Bitters!

[77:32]Anytime I use bitters from now on,

[77:34]I'm going to yell, Flavor Bitters!

[77:36]You're like, what the hell are you talking about?

[77:38]I'm like, okay, well, listen, here's the thing.

[77:39]We have a podcast, and it's called,

[77:41]and people are like, okay, goodbye.

[77:42]All right, Prophets of Rage.

[77:45]I roll with the punches so I survive

[77:49]So try to rock cause it keeps the crowd alive

[77:51]I'm not moaning

[77:52]When I was listening to this grade in papers,

[77:54]those kids got fucked on their grades.

[77:57]Oh, yeah, because I was like, fuck you.

[77:59]I'm going to grade this how I want to.

[78:00]I've been around a while

[78:02]You can't describe myself

[78:03]Just kidding.

[78:06]I only give A's.

[78:07]All right, now we have Party for Your Right to Fight.

[78:10]This is obviously, on Wikipedia,

[78:13]they're talking about how they're talking

[78:14]about the Black Panther Party,

[78:15]which obviously, you know, fits in.

[78:17]But this is a take on the Beastie Boys, right?

[78:19]They're 86, licensed to ill.

[78:21]It's kind of a play on that.

[78:22]I think a lot of their songs are plays on other stuff, yeah.

[78:25]Yeah, I mean, they're all Def Jams, but...

[78:28]All Def Jams, Rick Rubin's on the producers and stuff like that.

[78:30]So do you think when they do this type of thing,

[78:32]do they go get permission, or do they just do it?

[78:34]At the time, they didn't get permission.

[78:35]A little column A and a little column B.

[78:36]Yeah, it was a different thing.

[78:37]Like, they didn't have to get permission at the time.

[78:39]They just went for it.

[78:40]No, I'm literally just talking about the title.

[78:43]I thought I was really smart by pointing that out,

[78:44]but I think everyone else has figured that out

[78:46]since the beginning of time.

[78:47]I think the first caveman ever was like,

[78:50]party for you.

[78:51]Party for your right to fight.

[78:51]Very similar to party...

[78:53]Okay.

[78:54]In your headphones, you got...

[78:56]The caveman character is not going to take off.

[78:56]I'm going to write that down.

[78:57]Well, maybe we need to invite the granny caveman next week.

[79:01]Can somebody say my name?

[79:03]I'm Granny.

[79:04]I had two nights with Marv Alberts.

[79:07]I bit the shit out of him.

[79:08]Okay, got to go, Marv.

[79:09]I can't believe that Granny got...

[79:11]That A, Granny got back in the Zoom column.

[79:14]B, that her voice changed drastically, I think,

[79:16]from the first time.

[79:16]Going to have to work on that voice, Granny.

[79:18]All right.

[79:19]Party for your right to fight.

[79:20]Party for your right to fight.

[79:21]Wow, what an interesting title.

[79:22]You know what I think of as the Beastie Boys.

[79:23]I mean, that right there,

[79:32]you can hear it in your headphones.

[79:33]It's just...

[79:34]But this is the crazy one in headphones

[79:35]because you have Chuck in one ear

[79:37]and Flav in the other ear.

[79:38]They went full on with the stereo panning on this one

[79:42]and it blows your mind.

[79:43]Matt can pull a Russell and have one drop off

[79:45]and just listen to the one side if he wants.

[79:47]It's crazy.

[79:48]If you listen to this in headphones,

[79:49]it'll freak you out for a whole day.

[79:50]Party for your right to fight.

[79:52]I'm pretty sure the hidden track

[79:53]is where they introduce Santa Claus, right?

[79:55]I think that on the vinyl version I have,

[79:58]that's what's up next.

[79:58]We have a special guest tonight.

[80:02]You hear me go,

[80:03]I hope it's Santa Claus.

[80:05]Not more pencils.

[80:08]Final ranking, Rob.

[80:13]No, no, I have to think about this more.

[80:15]Oh my God, that's so fucking funny to me.

[80:18]I just love it.

[80:19]All right.

[80:20]Let's go.

[80:20]Let's get into our final rating.

[80:23]And now it's time for everybody's favorite part of the show.

[80:30]The patented and very popular

[80:33]Beck Did It Better rating system.

[80:36]Oh yeah.

[80:38]Yes.

[80:39]I love it.

[80:39]I love it.

[80:40]I do appreciate though that Rob didn't explain

[80:43]in the soundbite what the rating system really means.

[80:47]So there's still no clarity on what's going on.

[80:49]And if you notice,

[80:50]I did start that one with a siren as well.

[80:52]I think I've overdone it with the sirens.

[80:53]I think about 10 of these have a siren in the front.

[80:55]It was very tempting for me to try to make a 30 second one.

[80:58]I was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[81:00]Rolling well toned as if it's perfectly ranked on the scale.

[81:03]So this is at 15.

[81:04]Rolling well toned is if it should be number 15.

[81:08]Did it get rolling boned?

[81:09]It's too low.

[81:09]It should be higher up on the list,

[81:11]which is a lower number in this case.

[81:12]Or is it a rolling groan?

[81:15]Should be lower on the list.

[81:16]The number is too high.

[81:17]But when I say high,

[81:18]what I mean is that it should be lower on the list.

[81:20]So don't get confused by that.

[81:22]It's a great rating system as the song told you.

[81:24]Russell, how's it going?

[81:27]No, God damn it.

[81:28]Again, what is this called again?

[81:29]Final rating, rolling well toned.

[81:32]What do you think?

[81:33]For me, I can see why this album is so influential.

[81:38]When you listen to it

[81:40]and you think about the time when it was in

[81:41]and you watch the documentary

[81:42]that Rob had mentioned earlier,

[81:44]this seems like it was the right record at the right time.

[81:47]And it provided a voice

[81:48]where there wasn't maybe a voice there.

[81:50]So I have such an appreciation

[81:52]for how influential this was,

[81:53]especially from like a sampling perspective

[81:56]and also providing people a voice

[81:57]who didn't feel like they had a voice at the time.

[81:59]For me, it's not my favorite rap album

[82:02]that we're going to listen to.

[82:03]There's, I know a few coming up down the road,

[82:05]whether it be The Chronic or Biggie

[82:07]or I know Aaron loves,

[82:08]I think Aaron said this on like four albums in a row.

[82:11]So I'm going to say, I'm going to beat him to it,

[82:12]but Enter the 36th Chamber.

[82:14]Like I listened to part of that today

[82:16]just so I could beat Aaron to it and say,

[82:18]hey, like, should this one be higher?

[82:19]Unpredictable.

[82:20]But this is not my favorite rap album.

[82:22]I can see why it's so influential.

[82:23]I see why it is this high on the list.

[82:25]I understand it.

[82:27]For me, it's not one of my 15 favorite albums ever.

[82:30]So I'm going to say Rolling Grown,

[82:32]but I also understand the influence of it.

[82:34]So when you said beat Aaron to it,

[82:35]he did look over at the 10th.

[82:37]I noticed that.

[82:37]All right, Matt, what do you think?

[82:39]What's your final rating?

[82:40]I'm going to go with Rolling Well Toned on this one.

[82:43]I think this is a perfect time to enter an album of this.

[82:49]I'm trying to say this correctly

[82:51]because I don't want to understate or overstate

[82:54]what I'm trying to say, you know, of this ilk, maybe.

[82:58]You know, this is a genre that has moved from pure party and dance.

[83:03]You know, this is very simple.

[83:06]It's too simplistic, but hang in there with me.

[83:09]You know, from a party and dance kind of hip hop,

[83:12]R&B sampling kind of a thing to a socially conscious album

[83:18]that is trying to get people to listen to it.

[83:19]I think this is a perfect time to enter an album of this.

[83:19]I think this is a perfect time to enter an album of this.

[83:19]I think this is a perfect time to get a message across

[83:21]that is doing it in a way that is more or less punching you in the face.

[83:26]I mean, the problem that I've got with it is that

[83:28]they're talking about things in 1987

[83:30]that we're still dealing with today.

[83:32]And so when I first time I listened to this album,

[83:35]I'm like, well, holy S, you know,

[83:38]like they're talking about this stuff way back then.

[83:40]And, you know, we're still talking about some of this stuff today.

[83:42]And so, you know, it wakes you.

[83:45]It's period appropriate for right now.

[83:48]You know, that's what I'm talking about.

[83:49]That's why I think it's very powerful.

[83:52]I can't get over Flavor Flav.

[83:55]He bugs the crap out of me.

[83:57]I've stated that enough.

[83:58]You know, I do think he does bring something to the whole

[84:02]compilation of everything, you know, which does.

[84:08]It's just too hokey for me.

[84:11]And so, you know, this was an album that came out.

[84:14]There's some other ones like Eric B. and Rakim that come out

[84:18]that we'll talk about later.

[84:19]In the podcast here that are kind of on the same ilk with it.

[84:25]I think for what it is, it's great.

[84:29]And it's phenomenal.

[84:30]And it came out at a great time and certainly deserves to be the top 20.

[84:36]So I'm going to say that it's a rolling well.

[84:37]Can I ask one question?

[84:39]Yeah.

[84:39]The whole Flavor Flav thing.

[84:42]Do you think you would view it differently if he didn't have the,

[84:45]if he didn't have the, the reality TV show and he wasn't on all the commercials?

[84:49]Like, do you think it would be different if we just knew him as part of this group

[84:53]and not like kind of a reality TV star as we do now?

[84:56]Absolutely.

[84:57]I absolutely would.

[85:00]If he would, if he would be this socially conscious person today,

[85:04]still, you know, saying everything that he's saying here in these albums,

[85:08]you know, and saying these things that he's saying in these, on these records

[85:11]and, you know, still trying to fight the power and all that stuff.

[85:15]If he's still saying, I don't hear one single thing,

[85:19]it's like that Chuck D he's still fighting the good fight.

[85:23]You know, he's still out there putting out albums that are socially conscious

[85:28]and trying to get his message across.

[85:30]But Flavor Flav was all about the show and get paid.

[85:34]In my opinion, they did a great job of it, you know, but then, yeah, absolutely.

[85:38]Russell, I would have, uh, it would have totally thought differently.

[85:41]It will shock no one.

[85:42]I love the Flavor Flav TV show.

[85:45]I thought it was the greatest thing, especially, especially season three,

[85:48]when all he kept doing was start.

[85:49]I'm talking about cherry flavor bitters.

[85:51]Wait, wait, who's that coming in as a special guest on the episode?

[85:57]Well, it's the bad boys and they brought a special guest.

[86:00]We're going to see him 40 minutes later.

[86:02]I do want to call back.

[86:04]I, Matt pointed out, uh, he said that, uh, hang, hang with me here.

[86:07]And Aaron did look at the tent again and then take off his belt.

[86:10]So I wanted to point that out.

[86:11]And that was real hard for me to keep that in my head, but I did it.

[86:15]Aaron, what did you hear on the album?

[86:17]What's your final rating?

[86:18]That's a real, real callback.

[86:19]Uh, I don't know.

[86:22]I, I kind of want to say rolling bone.

[86:23]I think it maybe should have been higher.

[86:25]I can't pick out which album it should have, uh, bumped out of the,

[86:29]out of the order ahead of it.

[86:30]But I think that it, um, and like I said earlier, um,

[86:33]I wouldn't have chosen it as my favorite hip hop album for sure.

[86:38]If you had said, you know,

[86:39]tell me what you think critics are going to say is the best hip hop album.

[86:42]I wouldn't have named this one,

[86:43]but it really to me captures the time at which, um,

[86:48]just the curve for hip hop went exponential where, uh,

[86:53]rapping was getting better day by day.

[86:55]Production was getting better day by day.

[86:58]And it really captures the competitive nature of hip hop in New York at the

[87:02]time when New York was the epicenter of hip hop where Marley Mara put out a

[87:07]beat and someone heard it and they had,

[87:11]they had to try to do better.

[87:12]And then Rakim rapped over funky drummer and someone said, Oh my God,

[87:17]I can't rap.

[87:18]I can't rap in the same old way anymore cause I got to try to do it better.

[87:20]And then Chuck D came out with rebel with a pause. So I, for me, I,

[87:24]I think I'll say a rolling bone because it to me captures exactly what was

[87:28]going on with, uh, hip hop at the time, which became the biggest art form,

[87:32]you know, American art form, uh, music wise since jazz. And so, um,

[87:37]I'll say rolling boned. Uh, I think the song sucks.

[87:40]I don't know why you would say that. That's terrible. I mean,

[87:43]it seems disrespectful to me, but I guess Aaron,

[87:46]you have such a good attitude. I would quit this along.

[87:48]I think that this podcast is kind of like that too, right?

[87:52]Like people are listening to us. They're like, Oh, they, we got to do better.

[87:54]We got to do better. You know, like, Oh, they put the fart sounds.

[87:57]Oh my God, I'm going to put 10 fart sounds. Oh,

[88:00]I'm going to do 12 fart sounds like you can only do so many fart sounds.

[88:03]And we found that out because I had edited that a lot, actually. All right.

[88:06]So Rob, what's your final rating?

[88:09]My final rating of public enemies.

[88:11]It takes a nation of millions to hold us back is, uh,

[88:15]I think it's a rolling these tracks.

[88:18]I'm telling you guys, the track names on this album, blow my mind.

[88:23]They are so fricking good. That one chaos in the time of twisted steel.

[88:27]I was just like, yes, this is what I'm here for. Can we get a witness?

[88:30]She watched channel zero black steel in the hour of chaos.

[88:34]If I got a tattoo and it said black steel in the hour of chaos, awesome tattoo.

[88:38]It never goes out of style. Put it over my kids' names.

[88:40]Cause obviously they're happy with every one of these track names.

[88:43]I'm going to put it over my kids' names cause obviously they're happy with every one of these track names.

[88:46]I'm going to put it over my kids' names cause obviously they're happy with every one of these track names.

[88:47]I'm going to put it over my kids' names cause obviously they're happy with every one of these track names.

[88:48]Is much better than you're a big girl now or whatever that Bob Dylan one was.

[88:52]We heard a few weeks back, right?

[88:53]I don't think he sang a song called you're a big girl now, did he?

[88:57]I think you're thinking of, was that a bad voice?

[88:59]That sounds kind of like a bad voice.

[89:00]No, no, Aaron knows what I'm talking about.

[89:03]You're a big girl now and I'm here to say, here comes Santa in a major Christmas way.

[89:08]We didn't cover that one. We didn't get the, we didn't get the rights for it.

[89:14]We got sued for that one.

[89:15]What rhymes with pencils?

[89:16]And now here's Russell's song.

[89:18]The one song he gets to sing called Jingle Balls.

[89:20]We didn't have, we didn't have British accents in our band either.

[89:23]Hey, you got to get on that Def Jam tour.

[89:27]All right, next up we've got Kanye.

[89:30]Actually, we've got London Calling by The Clash.

[89:32]Guess what?

[89:33]Smash the instruments.

[89:34]We already did it.

[89:35]See you later, but check out the last song on the album.

[89:37]Still one of the best songs on this whole list.

[89:39]And next up we've got Kanye West, my dark twisted fantasy.

[89:43]And I've got a little secret for you guys.

[89:45]I have listened to zero Kanye songs.

[89:48]In my whole life.

[89:49]Wow, zero in your whole life?

[89:50]Oh, this is going to be fun.

[89:52]I have never, if they're not with Def Punk, I have not listened to them.

[89:56]They are not there.

[89:57]It's going to be a fun ride.

[89:58]Which is a wild statement.

[89:59]So this is, this is going to be wild.

[90:01]Thank you for listening to Beck Did It Better.

[90:04]The one person who's still listening, it's probably Russ listening for edits.

[90:07]All right.

[90:08]When you want to hear about the greatest albums of all time, but you're just too lazy to look

[90:18]online.

[90:19]If you want to hear from guys who chat and then they get off track, I've got the perfect

[90:28]podcast for you, Jack.

[90:30]Beck did it better.

[90:32]I got a, I got a voicemail from granny and here's, here's what it sounded like.

[90:36]Fact check.

[90:37]The song about sweat dripping off my balls is by Little John and the East Side Boys,

[90:42]not the Ying Yang Twins or the Bad Boys.

[90:48]Granny.

[90:49]That was such a callback.

[90:50]Granny dropping science.

[90:51]Granny dropping knowledge.

[90:52]That was a callback so far, they use a rotary phone to pick that fucker up.

[90:57]Holy cow.

[90:58]Nice job, Russ.

[90:59]All right.

[91:00]I mean, I was just going to say that, you know, I hate to put a hat on a hat here at

[91:06]the end.

[91:07]Go for it.

[91:08]I was just going to say that when I was talking about the Clash smash and their instruments,

[91:10]I noticed Aaron looked over at the tent.

[91:11]We're playing the song again.

[91:12]That was good.

[91:13]When you want to hear about the greatest albums of all time.

[91:18]Yeah.

[91:19]Yeah.

[91:20]Yeah.

[91:21]Yeah.

[91:22]Yeah.