Miles Davis: Kind of Blue (1959)

[00:00]All right, here we go.

[00:00]In 2020, four friends decided to listen

[00:04]to every one of the greatest 500 albums.

[00:06]Oh, f*** you, Rob.

[00:07]Erase it. Erase it.

[00:11]Just kidding.

[00:13]I can't believe Rob had to write that screw-up down

[00:16]as, like, the only funny joke of the podcast right now.

[00:18]Yeah, no, that's my...

[00:19]That was my solo.

[00:23]My solo was just me starting and saying,

[00:26]f*** you, Rob.

[00:28]So that's pretty much how my whole life has been.

[00:30]Okay, and...

[00:31]Oh, and then I started again.

[00:32]This is not in. This is getting cut out.

[00:36]It's a good thing that Rosie's editing this

[00:38]because all this stuff is staying in.

[00:40]Oh, God damn it.

[00:41]No, I'm sending this to him on GarageBand.

[00:43]I hope he knows how to use GarageBand.

[00:44]In 2020, four friends decided to listen

[00:47]to every one of the greatest 500 albums

[00:48]as decided by Rolling Stone magazine.

[00:50]This resulted in a text chain that celebrated the music,

[00:52]excoriated the order, and led us to making this podcast.

[00:55]We are far from experts,

[00:56]and we promise to do almost no research.

[00:58]All opinions are our own, unless you disagree.

[01:00]Please sit back and enjoy.

[01:02]Beck did it better.

[01:04]We are all the way up to album 31.

[01:06]This is Miles Davis.

[01:08]Kind of cool.

[01:09]Now, guys, I was listening to the...

[01:12]I know you guys don't do this,

[01:13]but I was listening to the Jimi Hendrix episode

[01:15]from last week, and it was not good.

[01:17]It sucked, okay?

[01:18]I'm just going to say it right now.

[01:19]Now, it's part of it that our listeners

[01:21]are not giving us a lot of great voicemails

[01:22]and emails to go off of.

[01:23]Yes, that's mostly who I blame

[01:25]is actually our listeners.

[01:26]Damn right.

[01:26]But I think we got...

[01:28]We got to make some changes here.

[01:29]So, I just was really disappointed.

[01:30]So, I was researching Miles Davis,

[01:32]and he said, you know,

[01:33]the only thing that I'd love to do more

[01:35]than anything else is change.

[01:36]So, I was thinking, guys,

[01:37]we should make a big change on this podcast.

[01:39]Oh, no.

[01:40]And I think the big change we're going to make

[01:41]is that instead of telling...

[01:43]Are you just going to give me that firing card

[01:44]like Aaron was talking about,

[01:45]how they don't get a card before they get fired?

[01:46]Did I get a card in the mail today?

[01:48]Make it a good one.

[01:50]Great.

[01:53]Great one.

[01:54]Make it a great one.

[01:54]That's my problem.

[01:55]I've been putting make it a good one.

[01:56]Everybody's like, oh,

[01:57]make it a good one.

[01:58]Make it a good birthday.

[01:58]I want to have a great birthday.

[01:59]It's with mixed emotions

[02:01]that Russ is no longer with the podcast.

[02:03]Mixed emotions.

[02:07]So, instead of telling really funny jokes

[02:09]and really clever callbacks

[02:10]and, like, really making it hit,

[02:11]I think we're going to need to be like Miles Davis

[02:13]and change.

[02:14]We're going to reinvent the podcast format.

[02:16]So, from now on, guys,

[02:17]we're only telling really boring stories

[02:19]that almost apply to nobody.

[02:21]Rob, I've been waiting my whole life for this.

[02:24]I'm ready for this.

[02:25]This is...

[02:28]When you want to hear about

[02:29]the greatest albums of all time.

[02:31]But you're just too lazy

[02:34]to look it up online.

[02:37]If you want to hear from guys who chat

[02:40]and then they get off track.

[02:42]I've got the perfect podcast for you, Jack.

[02:47]Beck did it better.

[02:49]All right.

[02:50]Welcome, everybody,

[02:51]to The Groovy After Midnight.

[02:54]Beck did it better edition on...

[02:56]We're talking about jazz.

[02:57]We're talking about jazz.

[02:58]And I've got three guys here

[02:59]that when I mentioned bebop to them,

[03:01]they thought we were talking about

[03:02]Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[03:03]I got Matt in Minneapolis.

[03:04]Matt, how are you doing?

[03:05]I'm great.

[03:06]I'm great.

[03:07]I got my nunchucks ready to go.

[03:08]Me and Michelangelo learning a lot.

[03:10]Happy to be here.

[03:12]Thanks for having me.

[03:13]I did not get a big response to that,

[03:16]by the way,

[03:16]on that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles joke.

[03:18]I feel like maybe that went over people's heads.

[03:19]I was more of a rocksteady guy.

[03:21]I was never into bebop.

[03:22]I was a rocksteady guy.

[03:23]Oh, there we go.

[03:24]Aaron, who is your favorite

[03:25]Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle bad guy?

[03:28]Uh, wait, there's only one bad guy, right?

[03:30]Is Shredder the bad guy?

[03:31]You think April O'Neil was the bad guy

[03:34]because she told him what to do?

[03:35]That's terrible.

[03:36]Shredder, bebop, rocksteady.

[03:41]Krang or whatever, the pink blob.

[03:43]Krang.

[03:44]Oh, man.

[03:45]Shredder.

[03:45]Wow.

[03:46]Or how about Casey Jones?

[03:47]I know Casey Jones was a good guy,

[03:50]but he literally just ran around

[03:51]with a hockey mask on,

[03:52]beating the crap out of stuff

[03:54]with a stick, right?

[03:55]Classic New Yorker.

[03:56]In the first season.

[03:58]Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

[03:59]In the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movie,

[04:01]Casey Jones literally put Shredder

[04:04]into a garbage truck

[04:04]and then crushes him.

[04:06]It is a child's movie.

[04:07]You see Shredder get crushed

[04:08]in a garbage truck.

[04:09]That fucked me up more than

[04:11]Large Marge and Pee Wee's Big Adventure

[04:12]and everything.

[04:12]Like, seeing Shredder,

[04:14]I was like, yeah, the turtles are awesome.

[04:15]They're like fighting ninja style.

[04:17]And then all of a sudden,

[04:18]a guy gets crushed in a garbage truck

[04:19]and I was like, oh, no,

[04:20]that is terrifying.

[04:21]That's Large Marge.

[04:25]Rosie, I got Aaron in.

[04:28]Aaron, how are you doing?

[04:29]I'm doing great.

[04:30]I'm really excited to talk about

[04:31]Miles Davis tonight.

[04:32]Oh, I can't believe it.

[04:33]I'm shocked.

[04:34]I got Russell in Minnesota.

[04:35]Russell, how are you doing?

[04:36]Fellas, if getting ghosted on Bubble

[04:38]and acting like it was

[04:40]a mutual decision was cool,

[04:41]consider me, Miles Davis.

[04:43]And I'm in New York.

[04:48]I'm Rob.

[04:49]And I want to remind you that

[04:49]last week I had the joke

[04:50]that in Europe they call him

[04:52]Kilometers Davis.

[04:52]And I got a lot of positive feedback

[04:54]on that.

[04:54]Everybody loved it.

[04:55]People have been asking me

[04:57]to write packets for

[04:58]different late night shows.

[04:58]Not a big deal.

[04:59]Edit point 72.

[05:01]And you're only kind of cool

[05:03]as you stated this album

[05:04]was in your opener.

[05:05]I've got to say two things

[05:07]to start the podcast.

[05:08]And it really was hard for me

[05:09]not to say this in our

[05:10]hour-long pregame

[05:11]that we did today.

[05:12]But I have to say this.

[05:13]Today was the first day

[05:15]where I went out for an outdoor.

[05:17]It was nice outside.

[05:18]It was like 60-something.

[05:19]I went out for drinks after work.

[05:20]I went out for drinks after work

[05:22]with some old coworkers of mine.

[05:24]And then I came home

[05:25]and I had a giant Pokeball.

[05:28]Okay?

[05:28]I think there was something wrong

[05:30]with that Pokeball.

[05:31]I feel like Hulk Hogan did.

[05:33]He was over at

[05:34]Bubble Love Spongehouse.

[05:35]I thought of you guys right away.

[05:36]I took a nap even

[05:37]and I woke up and I was like,

[05:38]oh God.

[05:39]I ate like a pig.

[05:40]I got too much sushi.

[05:41]But I was like,

[05:43]well, I can't tell him this

[05:44]before the show.

[05:44]I got to tell him on the podcast.

[05:46]So I am,

[05:46]if I suddenly get up and run out,

[05:48]Aaron, you're the new host.

[05:49]Okay?

[05:49]If I get up and run out,

[05:50]you're in charge.

[05:51]I'll be the main host.

[05:51]Was your wife there to help out

[05:52]with your sushi issues?

[05:54]No, of course not.

[05:55]She didn't get home.

[05:55]She doesn't want to be home

[05:56]with me on a Friday night.

[05:57]She came home and I woke up.

[05:59]I set an alarm for 10 p.m.

[06:00]I woke up and she's like,

[06:01]what are you doing?

[06:02]I said, I have the podcast.

[06:03]She's like, oh my God,

[06:03]I'm going to sleep.

[06:04]We're like hot bunking it on a sub.

[06:07]There's like one bed

[06:07]we both hop in and out.

[06:08]You didn't wake up

[06:12]in the middle of one

[06:12]of your co-workers rooms

[06:13]in the middle of the night

[06:14]with a gawker cameraman

[06:15]in the room, did you?

[06:16]No.

[06:18]No?

[06:18]No, they would not release

[06:19]that sex tape.

[06:20]No matter how exciting it was,

[06:23]nobody would want to see

[06:23]a sex tape of me.

[06:24]The other thing I have

[06:25]to say to you guys.

[06:26]Greatest day ever.

[06:27]Oh, so then I got this poke bowl

[06:31]and it came with this raw sushi, right?

[06:32]And I think one of the pieces

[06:34]was not very good,

[06:35]but I've got a real problem.

[06:36]I accidentally double ordered everything.

[06:38]So I have two poke bowls.

[06:40]I have another one sitting

[06:41]in my fridge.

[06:42]Why are you using air quotes there

[06:43]with your accidentally?

[06:44]So I've got another one

[06:46]sitting in the fridge

[06:47]and I think this one

[06:48]made me a little sick.

[06:49]Toss it.

[06:49]But I still want to eat

[06:50]that second one tomorrow night

[06:51]so bad.

[06:52]I'm already looking forward to it.

[06:53]It's going to be so great, guys.

[06:54]Do it.

[06:55]You got to go.

[06:55]Your option is you can

[06:57]you can take the fish out,

[06:58]saute it till it's cooked through.

[07:00]And then you take it above 140.

[07:02]You're good.

[07:02]You're going to kill all the throw that out.

[07:04]You go get a new one.

[07:05]Baller like you can afford it.

[07:08]You throw that thing out and go.

[07:09]I kind of want to eat this one

[07:10]and to get a new one.

[07:11]Why don't you eat it right now

[07:13]on the air?

[07:13]We'll see how well this goes

[07:14]over the next hour.

[07:15]No, I right now.

[07:17]I feel like in my stomach,

[07:18]I feel like that guy,

[07:18]an alien with the alien

[07:20]bursts out of the chest.

[07:21]That's what I feel like

[07:22]is like growing inside of me.

[07:23]But I'm not going to lie.

[07:24]It's worth it.

[07:25]That poke bowl.

[07:25]It's so good.

[07:26]I love it.

[07:27]And I think what I love about

[07:28]is I get the sriracha mayo.

[07:30]It's just mayonnaise

[07:31]with sriracha sauce.

[07:31]It's like nothing.

[07:32]It's just that's what I like.

[07:33]It's just so good.

[07:34]I think I would just eat that

[07:35]and be happy.

[07:35]I've really come around to mayo

[07:38]as a as a backup condiment.

[07:40]Mayo on its own.

[07:40]I love but mayo with mustard

[07:42]mayo sriracha.

[07:43]Yeah, mayo really brings out

[07:44]the other best qualities

[07:46]of other condiments.

[07:47]I agree with you.

[07:47]Have you tried this crunch?

[07:48]Have you tried?

[07:49]No, that sounds delightful.

[07:51]It's who sells it craft.

[07:53]It's ranch and ketchup.

[07:55]Mixed together in the bottle.

[07:57]Rob, I thought you said

[07:58]this was going to be

[07:58]a funny episode.

[07:59]It's like it's like

[08:00]Minnesota cocaine.

[08:01]I always say that

[08:02]it never happens.

[08:03]If you mix mayo and ketchup

[08:05]and put some pickles in there,

[08:06]that's almost like

[08:07]Big Mac sauce.

[08:08]That's that's where

[08:08]that's where you're living

[08:09]right there.

[08:10]It's delicious.

[08:10]I'm feeling so ill right now.

[08:12]All right.

[08:13]So I got to start off

[08:14]actually with an apology.

[08:15]And now an apology

[08:17]from Beck did it better.

[08:19]I'd like to take this chance

[08:20]to apologize.

[08:21]Absolutely nobody.

[08:22]Absolutely nobody.

[08:23]Beck does it better.

[08:25]Podcast should be

[08:27]I'm interested to see

[08:28]if I apologize here

[08:30]for what he should be doing.

[08:31]The other weekend,

[08:32]I cleaned out my coffee machine

[08:35]and guess what?

[08:35]It was very

[08:36]I got to the

[08:39]I did the water tank

[08:40]on the back of an espresso machine

[08:42]and it was like fuzzy bold.

[08:43]I was like, oh my God,

[08:44]how long have I been drinking this?

[08:46]So that was two things

[08:47]because I thought about like

[08:48]number one,

[08:49]we had a conversation about like

[08:50]because Aaron wanted to talk about

[08:51]I don't remember what he talked

[08:52]wanted to talk about last week,

[08:53]but it was like,

[08:54]have you ever been in a situation

[08:55]where you realize how

[08:55]filthy it was?

[08:56]And that was it.

[08:57]Like I looked at this water

[08:58]I've been drinking for months

[08:59]and it was so gross.

[09:00]Like if you're like,

[09:01]you need to drink it

[09:02]out of this container,

[09:03]I'd be like, absolutely not.

[09:04]But it's like,

[09:04]you need to drink this with coffee.

[09:05]I'm like, oh, sure.

[09:06]It sounds really good.

[09:07]Then I wonder why I'm sick

[09:08]like all the time with my stomach.

[09:09]Who knows?

[09:10]It's a mystery.

[09:10]So Aaron,

[09:11]that's your apology.

[09:12]Cleaning out the coffee thing

[09:13]was very, very satisfying.

[09:15]I was wrong about that.

[09:15]It's so wonderful.

[09:16]You just feel like a new person

[09:17]after that.

[09:17]I've been doing it

[09:18]on a weekly basis now.

[09:19]Well, I didn't say that.

[09:20]That's like, oh shit,

[09:21]what you're doing.

[09:22]I don't understand that.

[09:23]Every week.

[09:24]It's craziness.

[09:25]I think I've told you guys

[09:26]this before.

[09:26]I'm not a coffee drinker.

[09:28]I have had less than

[09:29]five cups of coffee

[09:30]in my entire life.

[09:31]Did you guys know that?

[09:32]We talked about it

[09:33]on the iced coffee episode, right?

[09:34]We talked about

[09:35]iced lattes, right?

[09:36]Yeah.

[09:37]I'm always terrified

[09:38]if a woman suggests

[09:39]a date at a coffee shop

[09:41]that I'm going to have

[09:42]a complete meltdown.

[09:43]She's going to watch.

[09:45]I'm going to have to drink coffee

[09:46]when I don't want to.

[09:47]I'm going to order

[09:48]a hot chocolate.

[09:49]She's going to judge me

[09:49]for drinking hot chocolate.

[09:50]I don't know what to do.

[09:52]No, you can't.

[09:52]No, you can't order

[09:53]a hot chocolate on a date.

[09:54]There's all kinds of options

[09:55]at a coffee shop.

[09:55]You can get a mineral water.

[09:56]You could get a tea.

[09:59]Well, the last time

[10:00]I just ordered

[10:00]like four to five rounds

[10:02]of those coffee cakes

[10:03]and she didn't go for that.

[10:04]You can get a sous vide egg.

[10:08]All kinds of choices.

[10:09]I'll have a venti-sized

[10:10]Rice Krispie bar, please.

[10:11]Throw a couple of those scones

[10:14]in there and I'm good.

[10:15]The good thing about a coffee shop,

[10:16]they got lids on it

[10:18]for the most part, right?

[10:18]You just get like a black coffee,

[10:20]just, you know,

[10:20]say, hey, fill it up halfway.

[10:21]I only want a little bit.

[10:22]You know, you could literally

[10:23]pretend like you're drinking.

[10:24]She wouldn't know

[10:25]if you're drinking the coffee or not.

[10:26]I don't know.

[10:28]Yeah.

[10:28]Matt's trying to do something here.

[10:30]Matt's a genius.

[10:30]I've just accepted

[10:32]that if that's the route

[10:34]with that lady

[10:35]that I meet on one of the apps,

[10:36]that it's just,

[10:37]it's going to go down

[10:38]in the tubes anyways

[10:39]and I just,

[10:39]it is what it is.

[10:41]I like that confidence, Russell.

[10:43]All right.

[10:44]Let's go right to our voicemail.

[10:46]Hi, Rob.

[10:49]Yeah.

[10:50]I'm Terry Sadler calling here.

[10:52]First time caller,

[10:53]long time listener

[10:54]to the program.

[10:55]I'm just curious

[10:57]to think,

[10:57]get your thoughts

[10:59]on the new stylings

[11:01]of the monkey beard.

[11:03]What?

[11:03]And how that would work

[11:06]in your line of work

[11:07]and just overall

[11:09]in your manscaping

[11:10]whole regime,

[11:12]if that would be something

[11:13]that you would consider.

[11:15]Is this like one of those?

[11:16]I'm very confused.

[11:17]Is this an ad

[11:18]for like manscaping,

[11:19]like the,

[11:20]the,

[11:20]the,

[11:20]the personal trimmer,

[11:21]if you will,

[11:22]like that's all I heard

[11:23]and I feel like Rob

[11:24]has probably signed us up

[11:25]for an advertisement.

[11:26]Is that what's going on or not?

[11:27]No, not at all.

[11:29]But I will say,

[11:29]you know what the problem is,

[11:31]guys?

[11:31]Cubes.

[11:32]Okay.

[11:32]Let's get rid of them.

[11:34]How are we going to do it?

[11:34]Well, I'm thinking about

[11:35]the manscape 2.0.

[11:36]I know it's got some gels

[11:37]or something.

[11:38]I cannot believe Rob,

[11:39]Rob has sold ads

[11:40]on our podcast.

[11:41]Okay.

[11:42]Watch this.

[11:43]So he was asking

[11:45]about the monkey beard.

[11:46]Have you guys seen

[11:46]the monkey beard at all?

[11:47]It's the beard that comes

[11:48]from down the sideburn

[11:49]around the,

[11:50]the facial hair,

[11:51]like around a goatee

[11:52]up to a mustache.

[11:53]Have you guys seen that at all?

[11:54]You know what?

[11:54]I guess I used,

[11:56]would have called that

[11:56]a chin strap beard

[11:57]back in the day.

[11:58]When I was younger,

[11:59]I used to have a goatee

[12:00]and I often had

[12:01]different types of facial hair.

[12:02]I would have the,

[12:03]just like the kind of chin beard

[12:04]where you let the chin beard grow.

[12:06]I had a goatee.

[12:07]At times I had like a full beard

[12:09]and I've also done like,

[12:10]I would have called that

[12:11]a chin strap

[12:12]where you have like

[12:12]the very thin.

[12:13]No, we're way off, Russell.

[12:15]I didn't know.

[12:17]Yeah.

[12:17]Yeah.

[12:18]Google it.

[12:18]The monkey beard

[12:19]is only on one side, Russell.

[12:20]Oh.

[12:21]It goes down one sideburn

[12:22]and then spins around the lip.

[12:24]Oh, that's like the,

[12:25]yeah, Mike Fires did that.

[12:26]Yeah, there's a baseball.

[12:27]He did that.

[12:28]Yeah, Mike Fires did that.

[12:29]So wait, I just pulled this up.

[12:31]Our listeners need to pull this up.

[12:32]Is this monkey beard a real thing?

[12:34]Do people really wear this?

[12:35]Guys, speaking of pulling it up,

[12:36]I want to talk to you

[12:37]about Manscaped.

[12:38]Why?

[12:41]Are you dropping in a,

[12:42]dropping in a sting there?

[12:43]Is it muted?

[12:44]Yeah, is this muted?

[12:45]I'm so sorry to Miles Davis

[12:47]and his estate for the first 45 minutes.

[12:50]Oh, I'm sorry.

[12:51]I interrupted you.

[12:51]What were you saying?

[12:52]Is the monkey beard,

[12:53]is this a real thing?

[12:54]Do people really wear this

[12:55]or is this like one or two people

[12:56]and now it's, it's the,

[12:57]it's on TikTok or something?

[12:59]I, I think it's one or two people.

[13:02]I couldn't imagine having

[13:03]an uneven facial hair look

[13:05]and going into work.

[13:05]Like it would be really,

[13:06]it's, it's kind of like confusing

[13:09]even looking at it

[13:09]on that one person, isn't it?

[13:10]It's kind of off-putting.

[13:12]I haven't seen a person's face

[13:14]for so long.

[13:15]I wouldn't know,

[13:15]but why would you do that?

[13:16]It looks like the concept,

[13:17]basically, if I can try to explain

[13:18]is like a tail,

[13:20]it's wrapped,

[13:21]like you got a monkey

[13:21]sitting on your head

[13:22]and the tail is wrapped around.

[13:23]It comes from like one ear

[13:24]down around your chin

[13:25]and then, you know,

[13:27]wraps up around

[13:27]where your mustache would be.

[13:29]And so.

[13:29]Oh, so then if you take the,

[13:30]like extend the metaphor

[13:32]even further,

[13:32]that means the monkey's butthole

[13:33]is right above your ear.

[13:34]This sounds terrible.

[13:35]Why would anyone want

[13:36]to live that way?

[13:36]I don't know.

[13:38]I don't know.

[13:39]Where else would you rather

[13:40]have the monkey's butthole

[13:41]on your head

[13:41]out of your options?

[13:42]Guys, is this,

[13:45]is this our monkey's

[13:46]butthole episode?

[13:46]Oh no.

[13:47]I think we might need to move on.

[13:49]I was hoping we'd get to

[13:50]at least episode 100.

[13:51]I think one of the most fun

[13:52]things about facial hair

[13:54]is the first time

[13:55]you unveil a new look,

[13:56]you're like,

[13:56]I don't know how

[13:57]this is going to go.

[13:58]You're like,

[13:58]I'm making a change.

[13:59]I'm going with the,

[14:00]just the goatee

[14:01]instead of the beard.

[14:02]I'm going with the mustache.

[14:03]I'm going with the chin strap.

[14:04]It's always like a,

[14:05]it's a totally new thing

[14:08]and you've got to just

[14:08]put yourself out there

[14:09]and you got to throw it out there

[14:10]and maybe you guys

[14:11]have ever done that.

[14:12]Do you guys ever remember

[14:13]having like a change

[14:14]in your look

[14:15]or like a change

[14:15]where you're like,

[14:16]okay, I'm kind of nervous.

[14:17]This is something new I'm trying.

[14:19]And how did that go for you?

[14:20]Well, again,

[14:22]the only time I can think

[14:23]about doing that

[14:23]was my sweater vest episode

[14:25]and it didn't.

[14:25]You know what?

[14:27]I made out with that girl.

[14:28]So it actually went okay.

[14:29]It went exactly how I planned.

[14:31]I was like,

[14:31]I will wear this if you kiss me

[14:32]and she's like, okay.

[14:33]And I was like, okay, good.

[14:34]I will,

[14:35]I will get down on my hands

[14:36]and knees and walk like a dog

[14:37]if you will kiss me.

[14:38]Like a sweater vest

[14:38]is no big deal to me.

[14:39]Hey Rob,

[14:40]if she's still single,

[14:41]I'll let you wear that.

[14:42]Well, you can mail

[14:42]that sweater vest to me

[14:44]and I'll,

[14:44]she's not

[14:46]and I'm Facebook friends with her

[14:47]and I'm terrified

[14:48]that she's going to actually

[14:49]listen to one of these episodes

[14:50]and hear the story

[14:51]about how pathetic I was

[14:53]when I got dumped by her.

[14:54]But I'm pretty sure

[14:55]now that's not going to happen.

[14:55]I did have another experience

[14:57]when I was out to drinks today

[14:58]where somebody goes,

[14:58]I said, oh, I have a podcast

[14:59]and they go, oh, cool.

[15:00]I was like, okay, well, moving on.

[15:03]Well, as you know, Russell,

[15:05]I made a big leap

[15:06]a couple of weeks ago.

[15:08]I went from nine inch shorts

[15:10]to seven.

[15:10]So far, it's been great.

[15:12]Are you at five this week or not?

[15:14]No, but I, you know,

[15:15]it's gotten hot.

[15:16]It's gotten pretty warm out.

[15:18]And going around the lakes,

[15:19]I mean, seven might be too long.

[15:21]No, I don't know.

[15:22]I think I might have to.

[15:23]Yes.

[15:23]But for a little while,

[15:25]seven inch shorts are going to do it.

[15:27]Matt, you know,

[15:28]the shorts are getting short enough

[15:29]when it looks like you're laying

[15:30]a hairy egg.

[15:31]You know what I mean?

[15:32]No, I don't get it.

[15:35]Your balls.

[15:36]All right.

[15:38]So Aaron, have fun editing that.

[15:40]This.

[15:40]So, by the way,

[15:42]you can call the back line yourself.

[15:43]802-277-BEC.

[15:45]That's 802-277-23.

[15:48]Two, five.

[15:49]God, our listeners are dumb shits.

[15:51]They're just the dumbest of the dumb.

[15:53]God, our listeners are dumb shits.

[15:55]Just the dumbest of the dumb.

[15:56]God, our listeners are dumb shits.

[15:57]All right, only four minutes left.

[15:58]Just the dumbest of the dumb.

[15:59]God, our listeners are dumb shits.

[16:01]All right.

[16:01]Just the dumbest of the dumb.

[16:02]Now, let's move on to our next section,

[16:04]which, of course, is rolling going.

[16:06]Oh, my God.

[16:07]We haven't even gotten to rolling going yet.

[16:08]My stomach has literally healed

[16:11]in the time that it's taken to get to rolling going.

[16:13]Maybe I'll go get that other Pokeball right now.

[16:17]That might not be a bad idea.

[16:18]I don't know.

[16:18]I don't know.

[16:18]I told you.

[16:19]You didn't know.

[16:19]That's a good idea.

[16:21]See how the rest of this place goes.

[16:22]Aaron, rolling going.

[16:23]How's it going with you?

[16:24]Oh, man, Rob.

[16:26]It's going good because I'm here talking with you guys,

[16:28]but it's been another stressful week for me

[16:30]because you all know I love the radio.

[16:34]The radio is important to me, important to my life.

[16:37]They changed this shit.

[16:40]Aaron, you realize there's got to be like a year or two

[16:42]where the radio, your son,

[16:44]he will never grow up knowing what the radio is.

[16:46]It will be gone.

[16:48]Yeah, it will be like you talking about the telegraph.

[16:50]Yeah, the radio has changed.

[16:53]Are you guys aware of this?

[16:54]That now there's HD one.

[16:56]Have you heard about HD radio?

[16:59]Are you aware of HD radio?

[17:00]Nope, not aware of it.

[17:01]See, I wasn't aware of it either.

[17:03]So HD radio apparently came along in the last,

[17:07]I don't know, X number of years.

[17:09]And it's a way to broadcast a digital signal

[17:11]that's supposed to be higher quality.

[17:13]But it also now is a way for the same call letters.

[17:18]And numbers to share a frequency.

[17:20]So now in Oakland, we have one of 102.9 KBLX,

[17:24]which is the right this area.

[17:26]Yeah.

[17:27]So, but now 102.9 KBLX has HD one and HD two.

[17:33]Yeah.

[17:33]And they switched over Sunday morning inspiration

[17:36]with Miranda Wilson, the Sunday morning gospel,

[17:40]which we have been listening to faithfully for five years.

[17:44]Now that's on HD two.

[17:46]I can only get HD two.

[17:47]In my car, I can't get it in the house on my FM antenna.

[17:51]I can't get it through the Sonos, through the tune in app.

[17:54]I've been reading about this on the,

[17:56]I've been trying to figure this out.

[17:57]I've been sleuthing the internet all week.

[17:59]I can't figure out how to listen to 102.9 HD two in my house

[18:04]because that's where they're playing Sunday morning inspiration

[18:06]commercial free on Sunday morning.

[18:08]And they've already cut back the amount of time

[18:11]that they play Sunday morning inspiration.

[18:12]It went from 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. to 8 a.m. to 12 p.m.

[18:16]Commercial free.

[18:17]We're missing out.

[18:18]Keep going.

[18:18]Yeah.

[18:20]And so last week I did okay.

[18:21]I ended up just playing Kirk Franklin,

[18:22]which was like a really nice,

[18:23]a nice way to spend your Sunday morning.

[18:25]That's my Sunday jam, Kirk.

[18:27]Okay.

[18:27]Exactly.

[18:28]So number one, Aaron,

[18:30]when the president gives his fireside address

[18:32]and you were listening on the radio,

[18:33]are you able to find that still?

[18:35]Is that okay?

[18:35]You want to hear how the,

[18:38]how the great depression is going?

[18:39]So are you able to tune that in?

[18:41]Yeah, that's probably on the non HD channel.

[18:42]So I don't have to worry about that.

[18:44]I don't have to worry about HD one.

[18:44]Aaron tunes in like every Wednesday at noon or whatever.

[18:47]The sirens that play.

[18:49]And listen,

[18:51]if you understood what the hell Aaron's talking about,

[18:53]why don't you text the Bex line?

[18:54]802-277-2325.

[18:56]I want you just to text radio.

[18:59]Oh yeah.

[19:00]Radio.

[19:01]Yeah.

[19:01]That's what I want you to text.

[19:02]If you understood Aaron's story,

[19:03]if you,

[19:04]if you don't know what's going on,

[19:06]you can,

[19:06]you can text radio.

[19:07]Oh no.

[19:08]Radio.

[19:08]No radio.

[19:09]No.

[19:10]Okay.

[19:10]I got three takes.

[19:11]You can use one of those Aaron when you edit this.

[19:13]The only person that could possibly know what Aaron's talking about

[19:16]has to be so old that the only way,

[19:17]the only way they can communicate with us would be via carrier

[19:20]pigeon.

[19:20]There's like,

[19:21]there's no way someone knows what Aaron's talking about.

[19:24]That could use a text right now.

[19:26]They changed the radio.

[19:27]102.9 is there's two different.

[19:29]But isn't it,

[19:32]isn't it more like if,

[19:33]if your program and you're probably one of the four people that are

[19:36]listening to it,

[19:37]right.

[19:37]If especially if it's,

[19:39]which is great,

[19:40]but like been cranking for that radio for a while,

[19:42]it was fine.

[19:43]Like if it was that great,

[19:44]they went move it over to number two,

[19:45]right?

[19:45]Like it would be still a number.

[19:47]One.

[19:47]That's kind of the deal.

[19:48]So like,

[19:49]if you're like a top a hundred listener or top forties,

[19:52]or you've got your cool radio stations that everybody listens to,

[19:55]that gets paid a lot of ads and stuff,

[19:57]you're not getting bumped to number two.

[19:58]Right.

[19:59]Is that how it works?

[20:00]I'm trying to figure this whole thing out.

[20:02]Why,

[20:02]why are you trying to figure this out,

[20:04]man?

[20:04]We are talking to Aaron.

[20:05]I like the radio.

[20:07]I listened to 96 three.

[20:09]I thought you were going to talk about your station got sold.

[20:11]Cause my station got sold here in the twin cities.

[20:14]And all of a sudden you got some,

[20:15]you know,

[20:16]you got some church songs.

[20:17]I don't know.

[20:17]It's on there and it's just horrible.

[20:18]It was like,

[20:19]Oh man,

[20:19]what happened to my good station?

[20:20]Yeah.

[20:21]So I don't know.

[20:22]You know,

[20:22]I was just telling Russell earlier.

[20:23]I was like,

[20:24]Russell,

[20:24]you know what the problem with the wagon wheels are these days?

[20:26]They're so big.

[20:27]The wagon wheels are so big.

[20:28]You know what I mean?

[20:29]Like it's so hard to drive my action around the trail.

[20:31]What the hell are you guys talking about?

[20:33]Who cares about the radio?

[20:34]There is the internet.

[20:35]I can get all your radio stations on the internet.

[20:37]Aaron,

[20:37]you can't,

[20:38]you can't,

[20:39]you can't get KVLX 102.9 HD two on the internet.

[20:42]That's the problem.

[20:43]I can't find it on the internet,

[20:44]Rob.

[20:45]This is what I'm saying.

[20:46]I can't believe I cut off a date early for this.

[20:50]This is,

[20:50]this is the all time low of my podcast life right now.

[20:53]I,

[20:54]I,

[20:55]I,

[20:55]yeah,

[20:55]this is my life.

[20:57]I'm with you though,

[20:59]Rosie.

[21:00]There's one,

[21:00]there's one thing I'm trying to remember what it was.

[21:03]It was,

[21:03]uh,

[21:03]it was the Sunday morning thing and it came out of Denver and it was the first time that

[21:07]I had ever heard Ray LaMontagne,

[21:09]right?

[21:09]He's playing.

[21:10]And it was this,

[21:12]I can't remember what it was,

[21:13]but it only played.

[21:15]Uh,

[21:15]it's from,

[21:16]from six to 7 30 AM on Sunday morning.

[21:18]It was like they,

[21:19]uh,

[21:19]what do they call that?

[21:20]Simulcast it or whatever,

[21:22]where you,

[21:22]uh,

[21:23]you pull it from another station point and it was the only time it was ever on.

[21:26]Right.

[21:27]And then all of a sudden it's gone.

[21:28]And so I,

[21:29]I'm with you.

[21:29]It's,

[21:30]it's come to rely on to become part of your life.

[21:32]And then it changes to a radio show.

[21:34]It's Sunday mornings from 6 AM to 7 30.

[21:36]This is a song for,

[21:37]this is a station for psychos.

[21:38]If you're listening now,

[21:39]you have problems.

[21:40]So we're going to play Ray LaMontagne to tell you how you're feeling.

[21:44]He's like,

[21:44]he's like,

[21:45]so speaking of the psycho listening to this,

[21:51]speaking of the radio station,

[21:52]there are three of the four of us main hosts and subservient hosts that were

[21:58]actually radio DJs slash hosts in college.

[22:01]It's true.

[22:02]Rob,

[22:03]you had a show that was very famous at the St.

[22:05]Olaf campus,

[22:06]extremely famous,

[22:07]the Rob and Sam show.

[22:08]And I believe Rob,

[22:09]why don't you tell us like,

[22:10]what was the one,

[22:11]the most famous show you did with the Vikings game?

[22:13]Oh,

[22:14]where we signed,

[22:15]simulcast a live Vikings game.

[22:17]So you could turn down your radio and we would do the play by play.

[22:20]And to set that up was an incredible pain because we had,

[22:23]I had to buy 200 feet of antenna cord,

[22:25]set up an antenna across the parking lot,

[22:29]have an antenna that barely picked up the game,

[22:32]move the TV to the window in front of the station,

[22:34]but outside of the station.

[22:36]So anybody could just come by and take the TV if they want to do,

[22:38]there's literally nothing I can do about it.

[22:40]And then the game went to overtime.

[22:42]So the,

[22:42]the show behind us,

[22:43]which was world,

[22:44]drumming.

[22:45]And it was,

[22:46]it was the people that hosted that looked exactly what you'd think they look

[22:49]like.

[22:49]Like they show up in like those,

[22:51]like,

[22:51]you know,

[22:52]like those,

[22:53]like those drug rugs or whatever you call them,

[22:57]you know,

[22:57]the,

[22:57]the,

[22:57]like the stuff you'd wear.

[22:59]No one calls them anything.

[23:00]Yeah.

[23:00]So there's a drug rug.

[23:02]You know what I'm talking about?

[23:03]Yeah.

[23:03]So they'd show up with one of those drug rugs.

[23:05]They'd be like,

[23:06]Hey man,

[23:06]my world drumming show is supposed to start.

[23:08]And I'm like,

[23:09]it is overtime with the Packers.

[23:10]You idiot.

[23:11]Like I'm,

[23:12]and then sure enough,

[23:12]it ended with a,

[23:13]the,

[23:14]the,

[23:14]the famous Chris Dishman touchdown where he was like on the ground,

[23:18]it bounced off his dumb skull.

[23:21]And then the Packers just scored a touchdown.

[23:22]And Sam and I looked at each other.

[23:23]We're like,

[23:24]well,

[23:24]game's over.

[23:25]I guess it was so depressing.

[23:26]Sam really carried that show.

[23:30]It's true.

[23:31]That dude is talented.

[23:32]We should get him on here.

[23:33]Yeah.

[23:33]The funny thing is we,

[23:35]we were friends with Rob at the time and I think it was junior year.

[23:39]And you and me and one other person,

[23:42]our friend,

[23:42]Darren decided to start our own radio show.

[23:44]Cause we thought we were as funny as Rob and we,

[23:46]we clearly were not.

[23:47]And as we've been,

[23:48]we've been showed this multiple times over,

[23:50]but you guys remember when you went to pick your radio show time,

[23:54]they would essentially feel,

[23:55]put all of you people,

[23:56]all of us in like a big room and they would call you up one by one.

[24:00]And you would get to go pick your time.

[24:01]And I think it was junior or senior year.

[24:04]Like we essentially just said,

[24:05]we want to do a comedy show.

[24:06]Essentially we wanted to do this type of thing because you had to tell them

[24:10]what type of show.

[24:10]And I remember someone gets called first and then Rob,

[24:14]Rob and Sam got picked second.

[24:15]You guys got to go sign up for like the second best time slot for the whole

[24:20]campus,

[24:20]right?

[24:20]We picked Sunday,

[24:21]Sunday morning,

[24:22]5 30 AM.

[24:23]That was our time slot.

[24:24]We picked well,

[24:25]legit.

[24:25]That's about the time slot.

[24:26]We got exactly what our time was.

[24:28]Yeah.

[24:28]We were 6 AM to 8 AM on Sunday morning.

[24:30]Aaron,

[24:31]Darren and I had 6 AM to 8 AM on Sundays and it was the worst,

[24:35]the worst.

[24:37]Yeah.

[24:37]That was absolutely our time slot.

[24:39]We had,

[24:41]we had one epic episode and maybe I'll let Aaron,

[24:44]jump in and tell this,

[24:45]but at one point we were,

[24:46]have you guys ever tried to do the drink a gallon of milk in an hour challenge or

[24:51]anything like that?

[24:52]I think I've tried it,

[24:53]but not consciously.

[24:54]Like it just happened,

[24:55]you know,

[24:55]I was like,

[24:57]God damn,

[24:57]I love Froot Loops.

[24:58]Hey,

[24:58]where did all my milk go?

[24:59]You got confused with the poke bowl and just took down the gallon instead.

[25:04]Okay.

[25:05]I see you guys later.

[25:06]I got to go take a five minute break.

[25:07]It was the early days of the,

[25:09]of,

[25:09]of the prank internet and jackass stuff.

[25:13]Jackass.

[25:14]Jackass.

[25:14]Jackass was happening.

[25:14]And somehow we saw that there was an internet prank going around about trying

[25:19]to drink a gallon of milk in an hour.

[25:20]And Russell was convinced he could do it.

[25:22]He thought for sure he could drink a gallon of milk in an hour.

[25:25]So he said,

[25:25]okay,

[25:25]let's do it.

[25:26]And much like Rob set his television up outside the studio,

[25:30]we set Russell up outside the studio so that if he happened to barf up all of

[25:36]his milk,

[25:36]he wouldn't barf all over the studio.

[25:38]We told the radio,

[25:40]like the main people at the radio that we were going to do.

[25:42]And I tried to raise money,

[25:44]we said,

[25:45]if you call in and donate,

[25:46]you know,

[25:47]a couple,

[25:47]whatever dollars we'll spend all this money.

[25:49]If Russ can do this,

[25:50]put it all towards charity.

[25:51]Full disclosure.

[25:52]We didn't know the name of a single charity at that point in our life.

[25:54]And they said he could absolutely not drink this in the studio.

[25:58]So that's why I had to sit outside the window,

[26:01]right?

[26:01]Yeah.

[26:01]So we set him up outside in the student commons and I don't know how you did it.

[26:06]Russell,

[26:06]were you doing shots or maybe a glass every five minutes or so?

[26:10]I don't know,

[26:11]but I strategized for it for like weeks.

[26:13]Like I had,

[26:13]a specific plan of like Russell,

[26:15]that's what I was going to eat and everything.

[26:17]And yeah.

[26:18]And I would say like any,

[26:20]like any other physical task like this,

[26:23]you know,

[26:24]Hercules moving the stables,

[26:26]all of that.

[26:26]It seems easy at first.

[26:28]And then you get to a point where it's not easy anymore.

[26:30]And then it really got bad fast.

[26:34]I remember watching from the studio and it just,

[26:38]it didn't take,

[26:39]it was real quick where it looked like,

[26:41]Oh,

[26:41]he seems like he's slowing down too.

[26:43]Oh,

[26:43]he just projectile vomited half a gallon of milk over a 40 gallon trash can

[26:49]sitting in front of him all onto the floor.

[26:52]But I actually have,

[26:54]I should try to find the CD,

[26:55]but if you go back and listen,

[26:56]it's the Aaron and the other post that wasn't as good as Rob and they're

[27:00]talking and they're taking callers and they're talking.

[27:03]And remember at that radio station,

[27:05]you had to play one stupid song off the system.

[27:07]Like every hour they wouldn't let you work there.

[27:09]And so they're,

[27:10]they're playing the one song and they're talking and then all of a sudden Aaron

[27:13]just goes,

[27:14]Oh no.

[27:15]And it was like 15 minutes and it was a complete,

[27:21]but I love,

[27:22]I distinctly remember the drinking milk episode because I remember hearing a

[27:26]clip of it and it was like,

[27:27]it was just like that.

[27:28]Like,

[27:28]Oh,

[27:28]Hey,

[27:29]everything.

[27:29]Oh no,

[27:30]Oh no,

[27:30]Oh no.

[27:31]Just describing,

[27:32]you know,

[27:33]and it's so sad because literally if I had a time machine,

[27:35]that's probably what I would go back and see.

[27:37]Like all like birth of my children,

[27:39]my wedding,

[27:39]no pass.

[27:40]I'm going to go back and watch Russell try to drink a gallon of

[27:43]milk in an hour.

[27:44]And we all know how it's going to end.

[27:46]Like you just know how it's going to end.

[27:47]You know,

[27:47]what's going to happen.

[27:48]It's it's,

[27:49]it's so great.

[27:50]If we,

[27:50]if we don't get over the 112 download per episode within the next week,

[27:54]Matt's bringing it back and he's going for the gallon.

[27:57]Yeah.

[27:57]I like that commitment.

[28:00]I believe you can do it too.

[28:03]I believe.

[28:03]I,

[28:04]you know what?

[28:05]I bet if you said that I had to eat 50 deviled eggs,

[28:08]I bet I could do that.

[28:09]50 deviled eggs?

[28:11]Yeah.

[28:12]How many deviled eggs do you think you can eat?

[28:13]Uh,

[28:14]not more than two.

[28:14]Those are disgusting.

[28:15]I could eat two dozen.

[28:16]Uh,

[28:17]Matt rolling on.

[28:18]How's it going with you?

[28:19]Uh,

[28:20]good,

[28:20]good.

[28:20]I'll,

[28:21]uh,

[28:21]I'll keep it short.

[28:22]We got to get,

[28:23]I got to get,

[28:24]I got to get to bed tonight.

[28:25]I'm solo parenting and I'm babysitting my kids this weekend.

[28:29]So I gotta,

[28:30]I gotta,

[28:31]I'll keep it short here.

[28:33]Uh,

[28:33]Matt,

[28:34]can I just say this as a dad watching your kids?

[28:36]You're a real hero.

[28:38]Okay.

[28:38]You keep up the good work.

[28:39]You're doing a great job for the most part.

[28:42]Babysitting.

[28:43]The kids is not that bad.

[28:44]Yeah.

[28:44]You know,

[28:44]but it's every once in a while,

[28:46]like you got to make lunch and dinner and breakfast.

[28:49]I mean,

[28:49]you gotta make three meals a day.

[28:50]I don't know.

[28:51]That's what I've said.

[28:51]When Jenny's gone,

[28:52]we do the no rules.

[28:53]No rules.

[28:55]Yeah.

[28:55]There's no rules.

[28:56]That's what,

[28:56]as soon as she leaves,

[28:57]my kids turn to me and I go,

[28:58]you know what the rules are?

[28:59]And they go,

[28:59]there are no rules.

[29:00]And I'm like,

[29:00]Oh yeah,

[29:00]that's when we do our screen.

[29:01]We cry your dinner to come to dinner.

[29:03]You have to have a screen in front of you with headphones.

[29:05]So nobody talks to each other.

[29:06]It's wonderful.

[29:06]Leo,

[29:07]Leo's trying,

[29:08]Leo's my nine year old.

[29:09]He's trying to set up,

[29:10]you know,

[29:10]we always say,

[29:11]what are we going to do today?

[29:12]You know?

[29:12]And I said,

[29:12]I don't know.

[29:13]Let's just sit around our underwear,

[29:14]play video games.

[29:15]You know,

[29:15]and they think that's hilarious.

[29:16]And you tell everybody we're playing video games in our underwear,

[29:18]stuff like that.

[29:19]So he's trying to,

[29:20]he's trying to,

[29:21]what if we,

[29:22]what if I made my bed for like a month and I did piano and,

[29:25]you know,

[29:26]he's like trying to come up with this stuff so we can have a full day of

[29:29]just playing video games in his underwear.

[29:30]Like if that dude could,

[29:32]he'd play 10 hours of video games a day.

[29:34]So trying to come up with it.

[29:35]So I don't know.

[29:36]We'll see.

[29:37]We're going to,

[29:37]we're going to have one of those days,

[29:38]Rob,

[29:38]or do you think,

[29:40]do you think he'd be willing to edit a podcast?

[29:42]If he edited this episode,

[29:43]maybe you could,

[29:44]it's a lot like a video game.

[29:45]Yeah.

[29:46]Matt,

[29:46]do you ever play your kids in the video games?

[29:48]Do you ever play them and can you beat them or do they beat you at the

[29:51]games?

[29:51]No,

[29:51]you know,

[29:52]I've been scarred big time from past friends.

[29:55]Tom,

[29:56]my buddy,

[29:56]Tom from Richfield just would kick the crap out of me.

[29:59]I think,

[30:00]or Kevin from Nashville was the game.

[30:02]Was there a game doom back in the day?

[30:04]Oh yeah.

[30:04]Oh yeah.

[30:05]Things like that.

[30:06]And then I forget the game,

[30:07]but then,

[30:08]then I get to saying all of it in the pod.

[30:10]You guys are in the pod wars,

[30:12]right?

[30:12]By the way,

[30:12]Matt is talking about a game just to let everybody know.

[30:14]Matt is talking about a game that was big in like 1996.

[30:17]That's how far back this goes back.

[30:19]Rob points this out.

[30:20]Like our listeners aren't old as shit.

[30:22]Like we are like Rob,

[30:23]we don't have a 16 year old,

[30:24]18 year old listeners.

[30:25]I think we're fine.

[30:26]We're very big with the sub 20 crowd for sure.

[30:28]They want to hear all about it.

[30:29]Drinking milk.

[30:30]The issues we have now with drinking milk,

[30:32]but we got to say in all of you guys had these,

[30:35]these epic football wars between the two pods.

[30:38]And I'm trying to remember where they had these big screen set up.

[30:41]And what was the game?

[30:42]It was an NCAA football,

[30:44]NCAA football.

[30:45]We had essentially two groups of four friends that played around Robin one team.

[30:49]We,

[30:50]I mean,

[30:50]we would so in depth,

[30:51]but essentially one of our groups of friends,

[30:53]Aaron and I included had the Texas long hordes,

[30:56]hook them horns with a,

[30:58]well,

[30:58]who was it?

[30:59]Not Vince young.

[31:00]We had Chris Sims.

[31:01]Okay.

[31:01]Okay.

[31:01]Okay.

[31:02]I got it.

[31:02]I got to interject here because you guys are making it sound like you just got

[31:04]together,

[31:05]play games.

[31:05]I want to describe what people are talking about,

[31:07]right?

[31:07]They would have a team.

[31:09]They would play a full schedule.

[31:11]So that means like,

[31:12]it'd be like,

[31:12]okay,

[31:12]Wednesday,

[31:13]you got to come over and we're going to,

[31:14]this person's going to play this person.

[31:16]You would play home games in your home,

[31:18]in your home TV and your home.

[31:19]They would literally change where they play the games,

[31:22]depending who was the home game.

[31:23]And then they would go through and simulate an off season.

[31:26]So they would do recruiting and working out and the whole thing.

[31:29]And it was like a huge deal.

[31:30]I mean,

[31:30]to say that they got together and played games,

[31:32]this is like,

[31:32]it was like hours and hours and,

[31:35]and hours and every,

[31:35]but in it,

[31:36]in it destroyed a lot of friendships.

[31:37]If I recall correctly,

[31:38]the most famous one,

[31:40]this is probably,

[31:42]this was seven and shorts that were big.

[31:44]I know you're good.

[31:44]It's probably at least in the top three angriest moments I've ever seen Aaron

[31:49]have in my life.

[31:50]Aaron is like the most chill laid back dude in the world.

[31:53]I've rarely seen him get that upset.

[31:55]This is in the top three.

[31:57]We were playing and Aaron was playing our buddy Manny in college football.

[32:00]We were playing on the road.

[32:02]So you're playing in Tennessee and these guys would play,

[32:05]Hey,

[32:05]you got to pull up.

[32:07]The only reason I know Rocky top.

[32:09]We're literally,

[32:20]they would,

[32:20]you guys would have friends sitting there like cranking the radio,

[32:23]Rocky top,

[32:24]like cheering against us.

[32:25]And Aaron was playing our buddy Manny and Manny was just kicking the shit out of

[32:32]just his ass.

[32:33]And he's just,

[32:35]he's just destroying him.

[32:35]He's up like 56 to nothing.

[32:36]And we're all in there.

[32:37]We all feel bad for Aaron and Manny goes for two,

[32:41]two point conversion after a touchdown with like one second to go.

[32:45]And he does it.

[32:47]And Aaron just throws the controller down,

[32:49]like slams it on the ground and stormed out of the room.

[32:52]He was so pissed.

[32:53]That guy never gets like a head football coaching job.

[32:55]Right.

[32:58]I'm not proud of those moments.

[33:00]Not proud of those moments.

[33:01]So that's the,

[33:02]those are the guys that,

[33:03]you know,

[33:03]I'd come in,

[33:04]they'd be like,

[33:04]Hey,

[33:04]we're,

[33:04]you know,

[33:05]we're playing this.

[33:05]You want to play a game?

[33:06]And I'm like,

[33:06]sure.

[33:06]You know?

[33:07]So then it's like,

[33:07]again,

[33:08]it's like 78 to two kind of a deal.

[33:10]And so it's like,

[33:11]well,

[33:11]this is great.

[33:12]So I never got into video games because of that.

[33:14]Russell rolling going,

[33:15]how's it going with you?

[33:16]It's going.

[33:17]Okay.

[33:18]I thought I would go back and I thought we could play another game.

[33:20]It's going great at the beginning of the podcast.

[33:22]And now it is downgraded it to.

[33:24]Okay.

[33:24]I thought,

[33:25]I thought we could maybe go back to the corner.

[33:27]I feel like you guys have been kind of putting me back on the right path in the

[33:30]dating advice corner.

[33:31]I need to go get some dating advice.

[33:33]All right.

[33:33]Get,

[33:34]get,

[33:35]get,

[33:35]get to the corner.

[33:36]It's time for Russell's advice corner.

[33:40]Oh yeah.

[33:41]All right,

[33:44]Russell,

[33:44]get ready for some advice.

[33:45]So let,

[33:47]I know Matt always loves to introduce segments and I introduced one last time.

[33:51]Remember it was called love or confusion or confusion,

[33:53]depending on how you want to put it.

[33:55]Yeah.

[33:56]I'm going to put a little twist on it.

[33:58]Cause we're listening to miles Davis today.

[33:59]So the game is called love confusion or kind of bliss.

[34:03]Blue.

[34:03]Oh,

[34:04]the question is,

[34:05]should I be in love with this?

[34:07]Should I be confused or should I feel blue about this?

[34:10]Should I feel sad about this?

[34:11]And we're not talking about balls this time,

[34:14]right?

[34:14]We need to edit this part then,

[34:17]or do I need to,

[34:18]no,

[34:18]I'm saying like,

[34:19]is this part of a date?

[34:20]Like,

[34:20]would this give you blue balls?

[34:22]You know,

[34:22]something like that.

[34:23]Is that what this is?

[34:24]Are your balls confused by what you're looking at?

[34:26]Is this love?

[34:27]Is this confusion?

[34:28]Will this turn your balls blue?

[34:30]All right.

[34:32]First question.

[34:33]Love confusion or kind of blue.

[34:36]First,

[34:38]first scenario.

[34:39]I've been going off for a woman going on with a woman for a while.

[34:41]Let's say we've been on five to six dates.

[34:43]Love.

[34:44]Love.

[34:45]So then I go to invite her out again and I send her a text saying,

[34:50]Hey,

[34:50]hope you had a great weekend or whatever.

[34:52]We should grab a dinner and drinks.

[34:53]I would love to catch up to you and hear about some trips you just went on.

[34:57]And I get a complete silence.

[34:59]So at what point do you decide,

[35:03]you need to text again,

[35:05]or do you give up at what point?

[35:06]If you don't get a response,

[35:08]do you follow up and keep calling or texting?

[35:11]Or at what point do you give up when you've been out?

[35:13]It's not a first date.

[35:14]So it's not,

[35:15]Hey,

[35:15]we're not into each other or there's nothing there.

[35:18]You've been out enough times,

[35:19]you know,

[35:19]each other and you get no response on the text.

[35:22]What is the proper way to proceed?

[35:23]10 seconds.

[35:24]I think within 10 seconds,

[35:26]if they haven't replied,

[35:26]it's okay for you just to start piling on the text of like,

[35:29]Hey,

[35:29]did you get this?

[35:30]Did you get this?

[35:31]You must not have gotten this.

[35:32]Oh,

[35:32]it's my wife.

[35:33]I'm working.

[35:34]Call me.

[35:35]And then you just start calling over and over.

[35:36]And then you're like,

[35:37]Oh,

[35:37]maybe you blocked my number.

[35:38]So you set up a Google voice number and you keep calling on that too.

[35:40]I see.

[35:41]I think that's a good idea.

[35:42]Send a selfie with the mustache one without the mustache.

[35:44]Yeah,

[35:45]exactly.

[35:45]That actually,

[35:46]that's a topical question because if you used the Gmail up on your phone,

[35:50]Gmail would let you know that there's been no response and ask you if you

[35:54]want to follow up.

[35:55]And the reason I know that is because I sent my co-hosts an email on

[36:00]Monday about this episode and Gmail all week kept asking me to follow up.

[36:03]And they kept asking me if I wanted to follow up because I didn't get any

[36:05]response from that email.

[36:07]Yeah,

[36:08]this may surprise everybody,

[36:09]but Aaron's email was long and boring.

[36:11]Like I read it.

[36:12]I was like,

[36:13]Oh God,

[36:13]there's a lot of these,

[36:14]like check out this picture of these cords.

[36:16]I'm like,

[36:16]Oh my God,

[36:17]this is boring.

[36:18]Even over email.

[36:18]I don't think I would literally survive to another episode.

[36:22]If every time I sent a text and it got no response from a lady that it

[36:25]said,

[36:25]like I got a warning from my Verizon carrier that like Russ,

[36:30]you texted this woman eight times and she has yet to respond.

[36:33]So love confusion or blue.

[36:35]So this one is not really a dating thing.

[36:37]This,

[36:37]I got this from a friend and I'm not sure how to feel about it.

[36:40]So I thought I would share this text that I got from a friend who actually

[36:43]is a listener to our podcast.

[36:44]It's Ryan from Hugo.

[36:46]He called once he used a macho man guy and I don't know if I'm allowed to

[36:49]put him out there,

[36:50]but he texted me the other day and he said,

[36:52]I've got a weird confession to make.

[36:54]Yes.

[36:55]Okay.

[36:56]Let's get weird.

[36:58]Let's get weird.

[36:59]He says,

[37:00]I feel like I'm cheating on you guys with Mark Marin,

[37:03]it's WTF pod.

[37:04]I've listened to a few in the past,

[37:06]but now I'm a completely addicted.

[37:08]So essentially what he's telling me is he's loved the pod,

[37:11]but he's moving on to a more successful pod.

[37:14]How do you guys feel about our listeners listening to other podcasts and not

[37:18]solely focusing on ours?

[37:19]I say,

[37:20]lock the gates,

[37:21]come back to our podcast.

[37:22]You know what I mean?

[37:24]No,

[37:25]I don't know.

[37:25]Like we're only,

[37:26]what are we doing?

[37:26]We're putting out an hour to three hours of content a week,

[37:29]depending on how much Russell edits out.

[37:31]I think you got it.

[37:33]I'm out there listening to other podcasts.

[37:34]Yeah.

[37:35]I think obviously,

[37:36]I mean,

[37:36]where you are the gold standard,

[37:38]but it's okay to go out.

[37:39]You know,

[37:39]I think,

[37:40]I think it's kind of like being married,

[37:41]right?

[37:42]Like it's okay to go on other dates and then see that your marriage is good

[37:45]when you go on these dates.

[37:46]Right?

[37:47]Like,

[37:47]I think that's a cool thing to do.

[37:49]I haven't talked to my wife about it,

[37:50]but I'm sure she thinks it's fine too,

[37:51]but it's good to test the water and just see if you still got it.

[37:54]It's like,

[37:55]that's why I have a Tinder account.

[37:56]It's not a big deal.

[37:56]You know,

[37:57]I'm more thinking about Jenny being like,

[37:59]ah,

[37:59]whatever.

[38:00]Good luck.

[38:03]How's that working out for you?

[38:05]She's like,

[38:05]yeah,

[38:05]whatever.

[38:06]I'm going to bed.

[38:06]Yeah.

[38:07]I'm like,

[38:07]well,

[38:07]I'm very busy.

[38:08]I'm going to a lot of dates.

[38:09]No,

[38:09]I was curious when Matt brought up Jenny,

[38:11]not caring if you were to go on a Tinder date,

[38:13]do you guys have,

[38:14]you know how people have the rule where you have a free pass or whatever?

[38:17]It's called the hall pass where there's celebrities.

[38:20]I'm kind of curious.

[38:21]Do you guys have a hall pass with your,

[38:22]with your spouses where if,

[38:24]if Rob were to run into someone,

[38:26]you're allowed to.

[38:27]I learned a long time ago,

[38:31]Russell to never ask her,

[38:33]about her,

[38:34]you know,

[38:34]dating in the past or any celebrities or anybody else she finds attractive

[38:39]because you always pick somebody that looks exactly the opposite of me.

[38:42]And she's like,

[38:43]Oh,

[38:43]this is the person I think is so attractive.

[38:44]And I'm like,

[38:45]Oh,

[38:45]why did I do this?

[38:46]This is so depressing.

[38:47]Right?

[38:48]Yeah.

[38:48]Same.

[38:49]That's not a road.

[38:50]I go down.

[38:50]Nope.

[38:50]No,

[38:51]sir.

[38:51]Like don't need to know.

[38:52]We go see like King Kong versus Godzilla.

[38:53]She's like,

[38:54]Oh,

[38:54]that King Kong is so sexy.

[38:56]Like she doesn't say stuff like that.

[38:57]Right.

[38:57]It's always like,

[38:58]Oh,

[38:58]you see this tiny jockey who rides a horse around.

[39:02]That's who I find attractive.

[39:03]This,

[39:03]very small,

[39:04]tiny person.

[39:06]I'm like,

[39:06]Oh no.

[39:07]Snaps that whip.

[39:08]Yeah.

[39:09]She's like,

[39:09]I really love somebody who listens to the radio on a Sunday morning.

[39:12]I'm like,

[39:12]baby,

[39:12]that'll never be me.

[39:13]I'm a wild animal.

[39:15]You can't cage me.

[39:16]That's like Sarah.

[39:17]Sarah's got Taye Diggs.

[39:18]That's like,

[39:19]Oh,

[39:19]Oh,

[39:20]whoa.

[39:20]Yeah.

[39:21]That's identical twin.

[39:24]Taye Diggs.

[39:24]Yeah.

[39:26]Good looking guy.

[39:27]Good smile.

[39:28]Yeah.

[39:28]Yeah.

[39:28]Okay.

[39:29]All right.

[39:33]I saw him on Broadway actually in rents in 97.

[39:37]Very good.

[39:38]Taye Diggs is like,

[39:39]he's like one of the most attractive guys of all time.

[39:41]It's wild.

[39:42]Yeah.

[39:42]He's extremely handsome.

[39:43]All right.

[39:44]Speaking of handsome,

[39:45]Miles Davis,

[39:45]very handsome.

[39:46]Yeah.

[39:47]Miles David.

[39:47]In fact,

[39:47]so handsome that when he was younger now,

[39:50]okay.

[39:50]I know actually everybody shut up.

[39:52]I've got to send out another double.

[39:54]You just interrupted yourself.

[39:56]Okay.

[39:56]Okay.

[39:57]Okay.

[39:57]Okay.

[39:57]Okay.

[39:57]Okay.

[39:58]I've got a double apology today because I have to apologize.

[40:03]I've got to apologize to Ken Burns.

[40:05]I got to give it up for Ken Burns.

[40:07]I watched this jazz documentary.

[40:08]You get ready for a Miles Davis episode and that guy fucking pulled it off.

[40:13]I,

[40:13]it is crazy.

[40:14]And I just look at a picture of him.

[40:15]And in fact,

[40:16]I posted a picture to the back to the better Instagram of just Ken Burns,

[40:19]his hair,

[40:19]just making fun of his hair.

[40:20]And then I watched his documentary and I was like,

[40:23]what can I do?

[40:24]This guy's a genius.

[40:25]He will show the same picture five times of a guy playing a trumpet and just

[40:29]zoom in to different areas.

[40:31]And I'm hooked every time.

[40:32]I'm like,

[40:32]wow.

[40:32]It's like,

[40:33]I'm there watching this guy play the trumpet.

[40:34]I mean,

[40:35]it's,

[40:35]he literally is just doing,

[40:36]looking at like,

[40:37]it'd be like,

[40:38]if you sit down with your family,

[40:39]you're just looking at pictures like this was your great uncle Harold.

[40:42]And you're like,

[40:42]yeah,

[40:42]but it's like Ken Burns.

[40:43]He makes it exciting.

[40:44]His hair is fucked.

[40:46]There is no doubt about that.

[40:47]He should do a documentary on his hair,

[40:48]but he can make a documentary.

[40:50]This thing on jazz was so good.

[40:52]It was crazy.

[40:53]Dave Brubeck was talking about jazz and I was,

[40:56]I was tearing up.

[40:57]Like that's how good it was.

[40:58]It's,

[40:58]it's insane.

[40:59]The Brubeck segment is great.

[41:00]Time out came out in 1959.

[41:03]Just like kind of blue.

[41:04]I actually,

[41:05]you guys will like this.

[41:06]I actually,

[41:06]one of the records I stole from my mom's house was the Dave Brubeck five or

[41:10]something like that.

[41:10]And I've been saving it because I figured at some point I'm going to be able

[41:13]to use Dave Brubeck.

[41:15]Did it better.

[41:16]It's a good,

[41:16]I mean,

[41:17]it's a great,

[41:17]it's a great example of this West coast jazz.

[41:20]And listen,

[41:20]I think the rest of us,

[41:22]the three of us have Matt and Rosie.

[41:24]We've watched Aaron.

[41:25]You cannot take a solo while we're talking.

[41:27]This is,

[41:27]this is like jazz.

[41:28]You've got to shut up while I'm playing.

[41:29]I'm soloing right now.

[41:30]You shut up and sit back.

[41:31]You're the jazz.

[41:33]This I've been listening to essentially by Coltrane.

[41:35]This,

[41:36]this show is pretty much free jazz.

[41:37]Matt,

[41:38]what's your history with jazz?

[41:39]Um,

[41:41]man,

[41:42]not,

[41:43]not a lot.

[41:43]I would say that,

[41:44]you know,

[41:44]first off,

[41:45]I'm very,

[41:46]a novice at it.

[41:47]The more that the older I get,

[41:49]I think the more I appreciate it.

[41:50]I've never played an instrument.

[41:52]I've played like two months of trumpet in fourth grade.

[41:55]Right.

[41:55]And then maybe like a year or two piano and second.

[41:58]So you're pretty much the miles Davis.

[41:59]Yeah.

[42:00]So pretty much.

[42:00]So I,

[42:01]you know,

[42:01]like I have zero reference on,

[42:03]you know,

[42:03]how all this goes and 12,

[42:05]12 and a,

[42:06]you know,

[42:06]no,

[42:06]we were playing in a seven,

[42:07]whatever,

[42:08]you know,

[42:08]I have no idea what any of that is.

[42:10]Right.

[42:10]And so I just know what I hear.

[42:12]And I think growing up,

[42:15]you know,

[42:16]everything was about having lyrics and,

[42:18]you know,

[42:18]full on songs.

[42:19]Well,

[42:19]I don't know if my attention span is just completely gone now,

[42:23]but I can't have like music on that has lyrics if I'm working or doing

[42:29]things like that.

[42:29]So I love nothing better than on a Sunday morning,

[42:33]putting on some sort of jazz or something and reading wall street journal.

[42:37]Like it's just pure heaven.

[42:39]The fact I pissed Sarah off the last week.

[42:41]Cause I told her,

[42:42]you gotta go,

[42:43]you gotta,

[42:43]you know,

[42:43]get,

[42:44]you know,

[42:44]get,

[42:44]this is my time.

[42:45]I don't think so.

[42:46]I,

[42:46]I,

[42:46]wait,

[42:47]you said to her,

[42:47]you gotta go.

[42:48]That's just what you said.

[42:49]You said it's my hour to sit here.

[42:51]I put on,

[42:52]you know,

[42:52]I just tell Alexa to put on good John Coltrane.

[42:55]Your guys is,

[42:56]your guys is Sunday mornings are packed.

[42:58]Yeah.

[42:59]You guys do so much on a Sunday.

[43:01]It's crazy.

[43:01]You know,

[43:02]and I,

[43:02]I,

[43:03]you know,

[43:03]so I,

[43:04]I'm long winded here to say not very much,

[43:06]but like,

[43:07]I'm just completely enthralled by it lately.

[43:09]And after watching Ken Burns's documentary,

[43:12]you know,

[43:13]I,

[43:13]I would,

[43:13]I would say this to call it elevator music is a complete,

[43:17]you know,

[43:18]I don't know.

[43:19]It's hard.

[43:20]It's hard.

[43:20]I don't want to call you out,

[43:23]Russell or anything,

[43:24]but it's like,

[43:24]no,

[43:24]please do.

[43:25]I,

[43:25]I deserve to be called out for it.

[43:27]I just,

[43:27]I admittedly I'm uneducated and deserve to be called out for it.

[43:31]I think,

[43:31]I think calling,

[43:32]I think,

[43:33]calling it like elevator music is like saying like all offensive linemen are

[43:37]big,

[43:37]dumb galoofs or something like that.

[43:39]You know,

[43:39]like it's just,

[43:40]it's completely painting it into one picture.

[43:43]And then to particularly get somebody like Miles Davis and Coltrane and

[43:47]Charlie Parker and Louis Armstrong and all these people,

[43:50]you know,

[43:51]who essentially wrote American music,

[43:55]you know,

[43:56]to put,

[43:56]to call it a elevator music is just,

[43:59]it,

[43:59]I think we need to take a step back from saying that.

[44:03]I just wanted to,

[44:03]you know,

[44:04]it's unbelievable.

[44:05]Yeah.

[44:06]I mean,

[44:06]there definitely is a,

[44:07]there's the obvious racial component of jazz,

[44:09]right?

[44:09]Like that's the whole basis of it is they were forced to play music that they

[44:13]couldn't record for a long time.

[44:15]I mean,

[44:15]that's where this whole bebop thing got big in the first place is that they

[44:18]finally allowed Charlie Parker to actually put out an album in the first

[44:21]place.

[44:22]I mean,

[44:22]it's definitely the history of the United States is totally reflected in

[44:25]jazz.

[44:26]And is that a saying I stole from the Ken Burns jazz documentary?

[44:29]Absolutely.

[44:30]I sound smart.

[44:31]I totally did.

[44:33]And that's why I'm moving my face closer and closer to the zoom camera.

[44:35]So it's like a Ken Burns where it's just my face and zooming in and

[44:38]out over and over.

[44:38]Rosie,

[44:39]what's your history with jazz?

[44:40]Yeah.

[44:41]My history with jazz is I played in the jazz band as a kid,

[44:45]right?

[44:45]So I was exposed to mostly like big band styles of jazz because I

[44:50]played trombone in a junior high and high school,

[44:52]but then didn't listen to it a lot.

[44:54]I know that I bought this album blue train by John Coltrane and

[45:00]Monan by Art Blakey and the jazz messengers.

[45:03]At some point in college,

[45:04]I went to that.

[45:04]Was that that one?

[45:06]Tony Danza put out where he was like,

[45:08]Oh,

[45:08]who's the boss?

[45:09]Monan.

[45:10]I don't get

[45:11]Samantha.

[45:13]No,

[45:15]no,

[45:15]no,

[45:16]no.

[45:16]At one,

[45:17]at one moment,

[45:18]Rob makes,

[45:19]makes a very serious statement about race and jazz in America.

[45:22]And then he makes a Tony Danza joke about the greatest hard bop drummer of

[45:25]all time.

[45:26]Art Blakey.

[45:28]Mona.

[45:29]Anyway,

[45:30]smart.

[45:31]I,

[45:32]so,

[45:32]but I,

[45:32]I,

[45:33]I like what Matt said because the thing that I've,

[45:35]I listened to jazz every day now of some kind,

[45:38]it's either what I put on on the radio or yeah,

[45:41]when I'm up by myself at night,

[45:42]I love putting on some jazz.

[45:43]I have maybe 10 or 15 jazz records in my vinyl collection.

[45:47]And the thing about jazz is that it's not to be for me.

[45:51]What I love about it is that I don't understand it.

[45:54]I don't get,

[45:55]and as we've talked about it this week and tried to study it this week,

[45:59]I don't understand what's going on harmonically on this album.

[46:02]I don't always understand rhythmically what's going on on any jazz album,

[46:06]but I know what I like,

[46:07]just like Matt said.

[46:08]And I like the mind frame that it puts me in.

[46:10]So I listened to it a lot now,

[46:12]but growing up,

[46:13]I never understood it.

[46:14]And I think it's an extremely complex and vast art form.

[46:18]So we're going to talk about one album from one year.

[46:20]That's just a small slice of what,

[46:22]what jazz is.

[46:23]But I,

[46:24]I,

[46:25]I like it because I don't understand it.

[46:26]My problem is,

[46:27]is that I,

[46:28]I spent the whole week,

[46:29]you know,

[46:29]I was looking for like greatest jazz and I,

[46:32]I am now an expert on the John Stockton,

[46:35]Carl Malone,

[46:35]pick and roll.

[46:36]I think I screwed up because you guys are talking about stuff.

[46:38]And I'm like,

[46:39]I actually don't get what's going on here.

[46:40]You know,

[46:41]four,

[46:42]four time.

[46:42]What is this?

[46:42]Four quarters.

[46:43]Sorry.

[46:44]That's getting cut out.

[46:46]So let's,

[46:48]so here's the goal is that we are going to,

[46:50]that's the best joke we've had.

[46:51]What are you talking about?

[46:52]To be fair though,

[46:54]Aaron is editing this one.

[46:55]This is going to be our first Aaron edit ever.

[46:57]So if this one completely goes off the rails,

[46:59]there's going to be only one person to look at.

[47:02]I do.

[47:02]I do think we were in trouble when the guy who majored in music in

[47:05]college is like,

[47:06]I don't understand any of this.

[47:07]I'll lead us through jazz.

[47:11]And our goal is that we are going to educate Russell and he's going to

[47:17]come out of this loving jazz,

[47:19]being able to talk about jazz and,

[47:20]and he doesn't even need to watch the Ken Burns documentary.

[47:24]We're going to do it.

[47:25]Ken Burns did it to me in like 18 hours.

[47:27]I'm going to do it to Russell in like 10 hours.

[47:29]Yeah.

[47:29]10 hours max tonight.

[47:31]It's not going to take that long.

[47:32]I'll take the 13 or 14 hours of doing it.

[47:35]Okay.

[47:35]So the first thing I got to do is I got to put my hair,

[47:37]Ken Burns hair hairstyle.

[47:38]So I'm going to take my hair.

[47:40]I'm going to flatten it way down and then I'm going to somehow cut it.

[47:42]So none of the hairs are the same length.

[47:44]I spent so much time looking at Ken Burns hair pictures online today,

[47:48]trying to find a meme to put on Instagram.

[47:50]It kind of burned my brain actually.

[47:52]So Miles Davis,

[47:54]basically I'm going to give you the three things you need to know for this

[47:56]album.

[47:56]Miles Davis quote was said,

[47:57]I need to change is like a curse because at the time jazz,

[48:00]the big kind of jazz that he was dealing with,

[48:02]was coming from like people like Charlie Parker.

[48:05]So let me play you a little bit of Charlie Parker.

[48:06]This is Coco.

[48:08]And this is a style jazz called bebop,

[48:11]which is basically how fast can you play?

[48:15]How fast can you improvise around these chords set that we have?

[48:19]And you can hear the chord changes,

[48:21]but he's flying during this.

[48:23]I mean,

[48:23]just moving and Miles Davis came out and said,

[48:26]I'm actually listening for when I don't have to play.

[48:29]So he's coming.

[48:31]This is the jazz that we're starting with.

[48:32]This is our bedrock.

[48:33]And Miles Davis is going to come in and say too many notes.

[48:36]I want to have the silence actually be part of the song,

[48:39]but listen to this.

[48:42]Man,

[48:42]they're flying.

[48:43]And then he took that,

[48:44]he took that idea to extremes when he,

[48:46]if you know,

[48:47]much later in his life with albums,

[48:49]like in a silent way,

[48:50]and then tributes to Jack Johnson,

[48:51]bitches,

[48:52]where he really plays with space in music.

[48:54]And so you could like,

[48:55]it's crazy that you could hear it as early as 59.

[48:57]But yeah,

[48:58]this album,

[48:59]I mean,

[48:59]this,

[48:59]this music is just dense.

[49:01]So then,

[49:02]he basically said,

[49:03]yeah,

[49:04]the thing with bebop is that eventually you're limited by those chord

[49:07]changes.

[49:07]You're limited with,

[49:08]it just got to a,

[49:10]it was kind of an arms race of like,

[49:11]who can improvise the best,

[49:12]who can play the fastest,

[49:13]who can play the most notes.

[49:15]And at some point you almost become a stereotype of jazz,

[49:18]just playing faster and faster.

[49:19]And I kind of liken it to like these guitarists that you hear,

[49:22]you know,

[49:23]like a Steve Vai where it's like,

[49:25]like they're super technical every like,

[49:27]yeah,

[49:27]like these.

[49:28]Yeah.

[49:28]Young and Mel stream is a great example that the musicians love him.

[49:31]Nobody else can stand it.

[49:32]Because it doesn't sound like,

[49:34]like it's,

[49:35]it's more like music for musicians rather than like music that I want to

[49:39]hear.

[49:40]And so then Miles Davis is,

[49:43]he's playing bebop with Charlie Parker.

[49:45]He's doing all this stuff.

[49:46]And then George Russell,

[49:47]Russell comes out and writes a book about instead of music being based

[49:51]around chords and scales,

[49:52]they're going around modes.

[49:53]And so the mode is the space between the notes.

[49:57]So I want to give you just a little guide.

[49:59]We're going to actually start with the last song flamenco sketches,

[50:02]because this is,

[50:02]this is the one that talks about that really talks about modality.

[50:05]So the flamenco sketches,

[50:06]the way the song is set up and Aaron sent me a very cool PDF of,

[50:11]of all the solos.

[50:12]Every are every person in this and Aaron don't laugh.

[50:17]When I say this sextet,

[50:19]every person plays a scale.

[50:21]And when they're done with the five scales in a row,

[50:25]it's going to go to the next person.

[50:26]The scales are not based around a note.

[50:29]They're based around a difference in the note.

[50:30]And these differences can give the,

[50:32]the music different moods.

[50:33]So Russell,

[50:34]I'm going to play for you the solo.

[50:35]Okay.

[50:36]And then I'm going to play for you an example of music that is in that

[50:39]mode,

[50:39]because I want to show you the mute,

[50:41]the mood of the music.

[50:42]Cool.

[50:43]So here we have flamenco sketches.

[50:44]This is scale one.

[50:46]This is miles right off the bat.

[50:47]This is his first scale.

[50:48]And this is an Ionian scale.

[50:50]So it's listen to this.

[50:52]It's kind of a major scale.

[50:55]It makes you feel like happy.

[50:57]It's kind of open.

[50:59]It's fun.

[51:00]You know,

[51:01]do re mi fa sol la ti do that kind of stuff.

[51:04]And a great example of a song,

[51:06]Russell,

[51:06]that you might know that's in Ionian mode is this.

[51:10]Oh,

[51:12]this is,

[51:14]I am.

[51:15]I am capable of playing two songs on the piano.

[51:18]One is the Jurassic park theme song.

[51:21]The other is the Beverly Hills cop theme song.

[51:24]You guys remember Beverly Hills cop.

[51:26]I love it.

[51:31]Jurassic park.

[51:32]What a great movie.

[51:33]What a great,

[51:33]this has got to be one of the greatest kind of classical movie theme songs of

[51:38]all time.

[51:39]Right.

[51:39]Played this in the eighth grade band at adventure land and Altoona,

[51:42]Iowa for the state ensemble contest.

[51:45]My man,

[51:46]you imagine the crowd on the horn.

[51:47]Shut up.

[51:48]Can you imagine the crowd that is listening to a high school band at

[51:52]adventure land in Altoona,

[51:53]Iowa?

[51:53]I think it was just my parents and my grandparents.

[51:56]I think that was it.

[51:57]That was the entire and like any carnies who,

[52:01]like on a break,

[52:02]maybe,

[52:02]I don't know.

[52:02]So this is a miles.

[52:04]The second scale is a mix of Lydian.

[52:06]So listen to this.

[52:06]It's a little more edgy than that.

[52:08]Ionian.

[52:08]It's the same song.

[52:12]It's like 10 seconds of this.

[52:14]Yeah.

[52:14]You could start a fight over this one.

[52:16]Maybe let me reframe.

[52:19]Let me reframe what I'm doing here.

[52:20]Cause basically jazz up to this point was based around people toying

[52:23]around with chords and then finding the harmonics to those chords.

[52:26]Miles said,

[52:27]I'm going to play all the chords I want and any scale you want.

[52:31]I'm just going to play different modalities,

[52:33]which is the space between the notes.

[52:35]So I'm showing you the different modalities because they're in this song

[52:38]and it would give a different mood.

[52:40]So for example,

[52:41]that was a mix of Lydian modality.

[52:44]Here's a song.

[52:45]You might know Russell that also has a mix of Lydian modality.

[52:48]So listen to this.

[52:49]Whoa.

[52:51]So you have like this,

[52:53]you have like this edgy.

[52:55]It's a little more edgy.

[52:57]It's just that they're playing a scale.

[52:58]It's the same thing,

[52:59]but it just gives a different feeling.

[53:01]Then what?

[53:02]Like a Ionian of the last one.

[53:04]So then we go back to Ionian,

[53:06]right?

[53:08]So literally it's back to this happy mood.

[53:11]The sun's back.

[53:11]Then scale four,

[53:13]right?

[53:14]And they repeat this.

[53:15]Every soloist does these five scales in order on this flamenco sketches

[53:18]song.

[53:19]This is fringing and it's very like foreboding.

[53:23]Listen to this.

[53:24]So this mode gives a much different mood.

[53:31]Cause it's a spaces between the note are what we call fringing mode.

[53:35]And this is all happening in the space of 45 to 50 seconds on a track.

[53:41]Yeah.

[53:42]And so a song you might know Russell that is based around a fringing mode.

[53:46]Ooh.

[53:49]Ooh.

[53:50]I mean,

[53:54]definitely gives the mood of like you're in for something.

[53:57]All right.

[53:59]So Rob,

[54:00]I know.

[54:01]I'm slow and stupid.

[54:02]Explain to me again in layman's terms,

[54:05]layman's terms.

[54:06]Why,

[54:07]how are you connecting wherever I'm at?

[54:08]I'm a Rome with what you just played and in basic idiot terms for me.

[54:12]So the spaces between those notes,

[54:14]when it goes,

[54:15]that's a fringing mode.

[54:19]Those notes make up a scale.

[54:20]That's like a fringing.

[54:21]And that's what miles Davis is using for his,

[54:24]uh,

[54:25]third,

[54:25]fourth scale in this song.

[54:27]Okay.

[54:27]So then his final scale,

[54:30]is a Dorian again.

[54:32]So it's,

[54:33]it's actually a Dorian for the first time.

[54:35]This is kind of a snake say that it's melancholy,

[54:37]but it's optimistic.

[54:38]So kind of like my life in general,

[54:40]check us out.

[54:40]So now the space between the notes are different sizes.

[54:46]So you get this feeling of like sadness,

[54:49]but it's not like minor sadness.

[54:50]It's not like disaster.

[54:51]So here's a song you might know that has this modality to it.

[54:57]This is Dorian again.

[55:00]Okay.

[55:01]All right.

[55:01]So it literally is like the space between the notes sets the mood of the

[55:08]music.

[55:08]And that's really what you have to know about this album,

[55:10]because then when you listen to this whole song at one time,

[55:14]flamenco sketches,

[55:15]this is John Coltrane now on saxophone.

[55:19]This is his first scale.

[55:20]So he's just playing notes found on that scale.

[55:24]Right.

[55:27]And the ability for them to coordinate this and to know which scale,

[55:30]they're in when it may or may not have been written on a page.

[55:33]I don't know how they were doing this.

[55:34]I mean,

[55:35]you can't overestimate the amount of time these guys all spent practicing

[55:39]their horns,

[55:40]playing scales.

[55:40]So somehow a lot of this was just in their bones and their blood.

[55:44]And they,

[55:44]they weren't necessarily,

[55:45]as far as I know,

[55:46]calling out the name of the scale.

[55:48]They just,

[55:49]they knew it,

[55:49]they felt it.

[55:50]And now we're here trying to study it years later.

[55:52]Where would I learn these terms that Rob's using?

[55:55]Is this like high school music?

[55:56]Is this college?

[55:57]Is this advanced?

[55:58]Yeah,

[56:00]it's probably,

[56:00]I know I learned modes in college level music theory and I don't remember

[56:04]them now.

[56:04]Cause the,

[56:05]the major scale that we know that that's a mode.

[56:09]Yeah.

[56:09]And then,

[56:10]which is maybe Ionian Rob.

[56:12]Am I,

[56:12]I'm not sure.

[56:13]I'm listening.

[56:14]If it's not on the website,

[56:15]I checked five minutes before this recording.

[56:17]I don't know it.

[56:18]So anyway,

[56:18]I've always modified that old guy,

[56:20]like an ice cream guy.

[56:22]I've been an old guy.

[56:23]I've never been into this mode,

[56:25]but I'm going to go all a mode all over this thing tonight.

[56:27]Yeah.

[56:28]It's like a math term.

[56:29]Instead of Matt being a mean,

[56:30]old daddy today,

[56:31]he's a modal daddy.

[56:32]Oh yeah.

[56:33]He's a median old daddy.

[56:34]He's a harmonic.

[56:35]That's sick.

[56:36]But what's crazy about this flamenco sketches is that there's other versions

[56:39]of it that it's,

[56:41]it's literally a whole different song when you listen to it played the

[56:45]second time,

[56:45]because they're just improvising based on the modalities and they're

[56:49]following like a guide.

[56:50]Like the skeleton is there.

[56:51]Like the first scale has to be,

[56:54]you know,

[56:54]whatever I said,

[56:55]Ionian,

[56:56]the second one has to be mix of Lydian,

[56:58]but they can do whatever they want in that modality.

[57:00]So that's why you hear,

[57:01]you're going to hear differences with different versions of these songs.

[57:04]And that's a big one because now when we go to the opening song on

[57:08]this album,

[57:08]so what this is literally the song is set up at 16 bars

[57:13]of Dorian and then eight bars of E flat Dorian.

[57:16]So it's,

[57:17]it's a,

[57:17]it still is based on the modality changes.

[57:21]So this is how the album starts.

[57:23]I love this.

[57:27]I love the bass piano interplay Paul chambers on bass.

[57:29]Yeah.

[57:30]So this is still a 32 bars,

[57:39]but it's,

[57:39]it definitely is dealing with the,

[57:41]the modes guys.

[57:42]I just am so smart when I'm talking about this stuff.

[57:44]I can hardly stand it.

[57:45]You're reading comprehension.

[57:47]It's off the charts.

[57:48]I mean,

[57:49]I have,

[57:49]so yeah,

[57:50]I think it's interesting though,

[57:51]to think about it's like anything with history and Russell,

[57:53]you read a lot about history,

[57:54]right?

[57:54]So when you read about a president,

[57:57]when a president is making history,

[57:59]they don't necessarily know about history.

[58:00]They don't necessarily know that they're making history.

[58:02]And I've,

[58:02]I've read interviews with Jimmy Cobb.

[58:04]Who's the drummer here on,

[58:07]I think he's the drummer on all these tracks.

[58:09]And he says,

[58:10]we didn't know we were doing anything different.

[58:13]We just thought we were playing another session.

[58:14]And then it turns out many years later,

[58:16]they changed the entire face of jazz.

[58:18]So for some of these guys,

[58:20]they didn't know it was a big deal.

[58:21]What's wild is that miles would come into this.

[58:24]These recording sessions would literally like a plan for what the guys would

[58:27]play.

[58:28]They've never heard any of this stuff beforehand.

[58:30]And all these songs are recorded in two nights.

[58:32]Like,

[58:33]and,

[58:33]and flamenco sketches,

[58:34]for example,

[58:34]was just recorded in one take.

[58:36]Like it's crazy.

[58:37]Working and playing all the time.

[58:39]It's just what they did.

[58:40]Right.

[58:40]I mean,

[58:41]I think so.

[58:42]What is probably the most famous song off his album.

[58:43]Don't you think that's the one I've heard before.

[58:45]This is the one I've heard a lot.

[58:46]I hear a lot of covers of it.

[58:47]Yeah.

[58:47]So I'm going to warn you guys.

[58:49]I did ask Aaron for timestamp.

[58:50]So here we have miles for solo.

[58:52]I just love Aaron.

[58:57]Aaron does,

[58:58]does miles play multiple instruments?

[59:00]Or does he,

[59:00]a multi instrumentalist or one,

[59:02]one instrument?

[59:03]I think on this whole album,

[59:05]he's just playing trumpet.

[59:06]And then sometimes he's playing open.

[59:08]Sometimes he's playing muted.

[59:09]He played few,

[59:10]he played flugelhorn,

[59:12]which is similar to a trumpet.

[59:14]I like the curly,

[59:15]like the curly,

[59:16]the curly looking.

[59:17]Is that the big horn?

[59:18]He played flugelhorn,

[59:22]I think on birth of the cool and some other stuff.

[59:24]But at this point in his career,

[59:25]he was playing trumpet only.

[59:27]And so,

[59:28]yeah,

[59:28]you can hear on some of the tracks he's muted.

[59:30]And some he's playing open this,

[59:31]obviously he's playing open.

[59:32]And then we also have in the band,

[59:35]John Coltrane on saxophone,

[59:37]who after this,

[59:37]of course became ultra famous.

[59:39]Yeah.

[59:40]And he,

[59:40]I mean,

[59:40]he recorded giant steps,

[59:41]not that long after this.

[59:42]Yeah.

[59:43]Well,

[59:43]he kind of had a few things before.

[59:45]I mean,

[59:45]he was kind of like coming into his own.

[59:47]It was almost fortuitous.

[59:49]I think that miles got him when he got him to come in and record with this,

[59:54]you know,

[59:55]with the band.

[59:56]So yeah,

[59:56]cause he's a massive talent,

[59:57]right?

[59:58]Yeah.

[59:58]It kind of leads into our,

[59:59]our list,

[60:00]our list for the,

[60:00]for today,

[60:01]Rob.

[60:01]And let's hear it.

[60:03]We got a list.

[60:04]We got a list for today.

[60:05]Oh yeah.

[60:06]I love it.

[60:07]I love lists.

[60:08]John Coltrane.

[60:09]No,

[60:10]be quiet.

[60:10]I'm soloing.

[60:11]Pass it to me.

[60:13]This is my Dorian solo.

[60:14]By the way,

[60:18]the mode I'm using for this podcast today is Borian.

[60:21]Bor,

[60:22]Borian.

[60:22]Borium.

[60:23]Borium.

[60:26]Borium.

[60:26]Go for it,

[60:28]man.

[60:28]What do we got?

[60:29]I,

[60:30]I,

[60:30]I'm certainly not going to get through this as well.

[60:32]And eloquently as a Russell usually does.

[60:34]I'm excited for it.

[60:35]I'm I love it.

[60:36]So I,

[60:37]I just,

[60:37]I,

[60:37]I wanted to play off that theme that John Coltrane,

[60:40]you know,

[60:40]was playing with miles Davis.

[60:41]So essentially you've got two massive artists that are on one album.

[60:46]That is one of the best albums of all time.

[60:47]Okay.

[60:47]So there's been a few times,

[60:49]you know,

[60:50]where you've got a call it a,

[60:52]a supporting musician.

[60:53]Who's been part of a big band that has then gone on and become their own,

[60:59]uh,

[61:00]kind of,

[61:00]uh,

[61:01]rock star in their own right,

[61:03]uh,

[61:03]have a solo career,

[61:05]moved on to another band.

[61:06]And so the first one,

[61:07]we can't wait till that happens to me.

[61:09]God,

[61:09]I can't wait to get dreading that day every day.

[61:11]Yeah.

[61:11]Dreading it every week.

[61:12]We're counting down.

[61:13]I'm going to go work on a different podcast.

[61:15]They're going to be like,

[61:16]I'll be like,

[61:16]okay,

[61:16]what time on Friday night do you want to record?

[61:18]They're like,

[61:18]what are you talking about?

[61:19]You're a psychopath.

[61:20]So Genesis was a band that started in England in the late sixties.

[61:27]And they've sold over like a hundred,

[61:30]150 million records,

[61:31]uh,

[61:32]albums,

[61:33]records,

[61:33]whatever,

[61:33]however you want to say it over their lifetime.

[61:35]One of the most successful bands of all time.

[61:37]So Rob,

[61:38]go ahead and click on the,

[61:39]the Phil Collins there,

[61:40]but Phil Collins started out.

[61:42]He came in as a,

[61:43]as a backup drummer coming in.

[61:45]This is the stuff that,

[61:47]that Genesis was playing early on in their life.

[61:49]And this is,

[61:50]uh,

[61:50]who is this singer?

[61:52]Peter Gabriel,

[61:54]Peter Gabriel.

[61:55]And you'll hear Peter,

[61:57]Peter Gabriel.

[61:58]This is Peter Gabriel.

[62:00]He went on to a solo career,

[62:01]but when he went on to a solo career,

[62:03]Phil Collins took over as the lead singer of Genesis.

[62:06]And then during a couple of breaks,

[62:08]Phil Collins ended up doing his own solo stuff to which we'll get to some of the famous stuff here.

[62:16]This is going to be the most,

[62:18]like the ultimate drum solo ever.

[62:20]Right.

[62:20]The spot,

[62:21]right?

[62:22]Most people call it the most perfect drum tractors.

[62:24]And that was based off of a drum machine,

[62:26]I guess.

[62:27]And there's some stuff and we'll probably get into it some other time.

[62:30]We have brought this up before,

[62:31]but,

[62:31]uh,

[62:32]John legend,

[62:32]uh,

[62:33]well-known musician now started out playing with Lauren Hill.

[62:37]Yeah.

[62:39]We talked about this.

[62:40]And so John legend played with,

[62:42]uh,

[62:42]Kanye and a couple of albums before going on and having his own,

[62:45]uh,

[62:46]solo career.

[62:47]So he played well and well,

[62:49]he's big time talent these days.

[62:53]So one of the ones that I think most people come up with,

[62:56]it's a pretty darn obvious is Dave,

[63:00]uh,

[63:00]Dave Grohl,

[63:00]who was,

[63:01]can we stop?

[63:01]Can we stop?

[63:02]How long did,

[63:03]so John legend,

[63:04]I feel like he's popular now,

[63:05]but Lauren Hill's record was like what?

[63:07]25 years ago.

[63:08]Was he super,

[63:09]he was in college or when he was like a junior in college.

[63:13]Yeah.

[63:14]He was in college when he's playing on that record.

[63:15]And then in the early two thousands,

[63:17]he was,

[63:17]uh,

[63:18]hanging out with Kanye a bunch and doing some stuff with him.

[63:21]So just think Russell,

[63:22]when you,

[63:23]when you were in college,

[63:23]you were trying to drink a gallon of milk and your brains out outside the

[63:26]radio station for a total of,

[63:28]for a total of five listeners.

[63:30]Meanwhile,

[63:30]he's playing with Lauren Hill piano.

[63:32]Go ahead and play.

[63:34]Uh,

[63:34]so,

[63:35]you know,

[63:35]the obvious one is Dave Grohl playing with Nirvana.

[63:38]Yes.

[63:38]The drummer,

[63:39]this is bad-ass,

[63:40]you know?

[63:40]And so he hears right here.

[63:41]Ready?

[63:41]Listen.

[63:42]Oh,

[63:44]great start.

[63:46]We talked about Dave Grohl's influence with Nirvana.

[63:48]How is his drums really is what kicked it off.

[63:50]Yeah.

[63:50]You know?

[63:51]And so then obviously you go into some of the soul,

[63:52]you know,

[63:53]the foo fighters are a monster in their own right.

[63:57]So yeah,

[63:58]the last one,

[64:00]who's bigger,

[64:01]who who's bigger.

[64:02]If you guys had to vote,

[64:03]who's bigger,

[64:03]Nirvana or the foo fighters?

[64:05]Nirvana.

[64:05]Well,

[64:05]we've covered a Nirvana album.

[64:07]I'll just say that.

[64:08]Yeah.

[64:08]But the foo fighters were in varsity blues.

[64:10]That's really tough to,

[64:11]there's only been one,

[64:14]one band that played in the movie where there was a whipped cream,

[64:16]whipped cream,

[64:17]bikini involved,

[64:18]right?

[64:18]A tan,

[64:20]a tan.

[64:20]My wife always quotes that movie when she goes,

[64:22]I don't want your life,

[64:24]your wife.

[64:25]Sorry.

[64:28]All right.

[64:29]Cut it off.

[64:30]I jumped out.

[64:31]Okay.

[64:32]Edit that.

[64:32]Oh yeah.

[64:33]I don't want to be your wife.

[64:37]What kind of accent is that?

[64:40]That's the varsity blues accent.

[64:43]It's very good.

[64:43]All right.

[64:44]So the last one I've got here is the early fifties guy named buddy.

[64:49]Holly was playing and he had a little known backup or a bass player.

[64:54]Go ahead and hit play there,

[64:55]Rob.

[64:55]All right.

[64:57]So Waylon Jennings was supposed to be a bass player.

[65:00]He was supposed to be on the plane.

[65:01]Really buddy Holly.

[65:04]Okay.

[65:04]But some,

[65:05]some D bag named JP Richardson claimed to have the flu.

[65:09]And so Waylon Jennings graciously gave up his spot,

[65:14]you know,

[65:15]to JP Richardson,

[65:16]who,

[65:17]as we all know,

[65:18]JP Richardson's stage name is the big bopper,

[65:26]the big bopper.

[65:27]So way.

[65:28]Oh baby.

[65:29]I was,

[65:30]I was sick.

[65:30]I got the flu.

[65:31]The big bopper has been doing some big barfing in the toilet.

[65:35]I had a poke bowl,

[65:36]baby.

[65:36]I don't think the fish was very good.

[65:39]Oh baby.

[65:40]Bad fish for the big bopper.

[65:42]Definitely the worst thing that's going to happen in my life,

[65:45]baby.

[65:45]Oh yeah.

[65:47]Bad fish in a poke bowl.

[65:51]You know,

[65:52]Waylon Jennings played with buddy Holly.

[65:54]Yeah.

[65:55]So that song,

[65:56]the song that we had,

[65:57]I was trying to see how long Rob would go on there.

[65:59]That was pretty,

[65:59]that was pretty long.

[66:00]That was good.

[66:00]Oh,

[66:01]did you say big bopper?

[66:02]That reminds me.

[66:03]I have to wear long shorts because of my big bopper,

[66:06]baby.

[66:06]Oh,

[66:07]I'm the dirty big bopper.

[66:08]I'm back.

[66:09]Rob,

[66:10]would you just do me a favor and do the Chantilly lace?

[66:12]Put it in my face bit.

[66:13]Oh baby.

[66:16]This bit is the number one worst thing to happen to me.

[66:18]The big bopper,

[66:19]the plane crash,

[66:21]baby.

[66:21]Oh yeah.

[66:22]So yeah,

[66:24]that was better than this bit is going right now,

[66:26]but I can't stop baby.

[66:27]I'm addicted to it.

[66:28]The podcast is going long.

[66:29]And I keep going baby because it gets a laugh from Aaron.

[66:32]So I'm desperate,

[66:33]baby.

[66:34]Oh yeah.

[66:34]If you don't say anything,

[66:39]I'm going to keep going.

[66:40]I'll go all night long.

[66:43]It was a great.

[66:43]Put it in my face.

[66:46]The long story.

[66:47]It's going down.

[66:49]Jennings should have been in the big boppers place,

[66:52]but he ended up taking a,

[66:54]he was going to take the bus up.

[66:56]And so he's went on to be one of the outlaws of college.

[66:59]He's going to be one of the outlaws of the country music in the 70s.

[67:01]So,

[67:01]yeah.

[67:02]So this is a,

[67:03]this is a super cool list.

[67:04]So Matt,

[67:04]when,

[67:05]when we're listening to this miles Davis album was Coltrane famous at the

[67:09]time,

[67:09]or did he become famous afterwards?

[67:11]Or do you guys know when he kind of emerged as his own performer?

[67:15]I don't know if I know exactly the timeline.

[67:18]I do know that he put out a couple of his own solo albums in like,

[67:22]yeah,

[67:23]he was already seven 50.

[67:24]He was certainly well known as a musician in the jazz scene,

[67:28]but you know,

[67:29]in the early sixties is when his big album started really coming out.

[67:33]Sure.

[67:33]Yeah.

[67:34]Blue train would have come out after this.

[67:36]I mean,

[67:36]this came in 59 and then a giant steps would have been not too much

[67:41]further out.

[67:43]And we'll get into it when I do my rating.

[67:46]I think love Supreme for me is the greatest jazz album of all time,

[67:49]which was like 63 or 64.

[67:50]But yeah,

[67:53]he was already,

[67:53]I mean,

[67:53]he was certainly known for,

[67:55]for his talent at this point.

[67:56]Speaking of John Coltrane,

[67:57]I've got a clip here of John Coltrane on.

[67:59]So what handing it off to the other saxophone player in the sextet,

[68:02]Aaron cannonball Adderley.

[68:04]Yeah.

[68:05]The alto sax.

[68:05]Cannibal ox.

[68:06]Cannibal ox.

[68:07]Yeah,

[68:09]this is cannibal ox.

[68:10]See,

[68:11]this is,

[68:12]this is bad-ass.

[68:13]It's really,

[68:14]it's really stunning the way the,

[68:16]the soloists are able to just pass from one to the next.

[68:19]And I think cannonballs is my favorite solo on this particular track.

[68:24]I really like it.

[68:25]So here we have what Aaron just sent to me as cannonball having fun.

[68:29]Let's hear what Aaron thinks is fun.

[68:31]Oh my God,

[68:33]Aaron,

[68:33]this is so fun.

[68:33]I'm at the playground.

[68:34]It's just,

[68:35]it's so light and little thing.

[68:36]Yeah.

[68:37]He could be doing pull-ups on the playground.

[68:39]You never know.

[68:39]This is definitely the music I listened to when I go to the playground and

[68:42]take my shirt off and decide to do the pull-ups on the jungle gym.

[68:45]This is I've got this.

[68:47]I usually don't even put in headphones.

[68:49]I just let it play out through my phone.

[68:50]It's it's pretty cool.

[68:51]Aaron was saying earlier that his kid was like,

[68:54]I don't want to listen to this.

[68:54]I want to listen to Jimi Hendrix and Aaron's like,

[68:56]no,

[68:56]this is fun.

[68:57]We're having fun listening to this.

[68:58]This is what I do.

[68:59]My pull-ups too.

[69:00]He's been disappointed this week.

[69:01]He was like,

[69:02]I want to listen to Jimi Hendrix.

[69:03]So then at the end,

[69:05]we call back the initial theme of the,

[69:07]so what in the first place?

[69:09]So this was miles.

[69:10]Davis's big thing is that he didn't like,

[69:12]after all of this free jazz kind of took off where it's like,

[69:15]we don't need to base it around anything.

[69:17]And he was like,

[69:17]those people are insane.

[69:18]You have to have a skeleton that you're growing this whole thing on.

[69:21]And so you can hear him calling it back here.

[69:23]So then I also want to play you this.

[69:25]This is a version of,

[69:25]so what from about 10 years later,

[69:28]live version.

[69:29]And you can hear how much faster they're playing.

[69:31]I love,

[69:31]yeah.

[69:31]I love how fast this is.

[69:33]And again,

[69:33]a big part of this is that miles got bored with it.

[69:36]He said,

[69:36]eventually this kind of blue album,

[69:38]he said it was like old Turkey is like warmed up Turkey.

[69:41]He's like,

[69:41]I don't care about it anymore.

[69:43]It's,

[69:43]it's just nothing to me.

[69:44]I don't like crazy.

[69:44]I think Turkey is so overrated.

[69:46]I would never pick a Turkey sandwich,

[69:48]but you guys,

[69:48]I used to not pick Turkish and then I started putting cheese on it.

[69:52]It's okay to put cheese on a Turkey sandwich.

[69:54]I think if it's thinly sliced,

[69:56]you're good.

[69:56]But I think there's a reason we only cook turkeys once a year.

[69:59]It's not that great.

[70:00]I love this recording.

[70:03]Yeah.

[70:03]This is from Stockholm,

[70:04]right?

[70:04]Uh,

[70:06]yes,

[70:06]I knew that.

[70:07]Uh,

[70:07]next up we have one thing.

[70:09]Can we,

[70:09]I don't Rob,

[70:10]I know we're going out of order on this one,

[70:11]but I actually went to my book booze and vinyl and they do have

[70:16]miles Davis and booze and vinyl.

[70:18]So I thought I would share.

[70:19]I'm drinking a few cocktails tonight.

[70:20]Can I share my first cocktail with you guys?

[70:22]Yeah.

[70:23]You know what daddy?

[70:23]Oh,

[70:24]let's hear those cocktails.

[70:24]The first one is called a bumblebee.

[70:26]It has rum,

[70:27]dark rum,

[70:28]fresh lime juice,

[70:29]honey syrup,

[70:29]and an egg white.

[70:31]Are you guys big into putting egg whites in the cocktails?

[70:33]I love egg.

[70:34]I love egg whites and cocktails.

[70:36]If you make a whiskey sour without an egg white,

[70:38]get out of town.

[70:39]I don't get you.

[70:39]Egg white and a whiskey sour is perfect.

[70:41]This drink with the egg white,

[70:43]it's frothy and approachable.

[70:44]It's sure to lose any perspective jazzer or jazzette.

[70:48]It's just plush with a slight sting and it relax into a soft embrace.

[70:54]Ooh,

[70:55]it's not very good though.

[70:57]I think I mixed it wrong.

[70:59]I think I should have like measured better.

[71:01]Well,

[71:01]if you barf on this podcast,

[71:03]Russell,

[71:03]that's going to be the second time you've done it on a live radio.

[71:05]I also am kind of embarrassed to share.

[71:07]Like I'm not one for like,

[71:08]I will have cocktails with the egg white in it,

[71:10]but I don't really make them at home.

[71:12]And I,

[71:13]you guys are aware.

[71:14]I was a little late to the podcast tonight and I was rushing to make this

[71:17]drink and I accidentally dumped the whole egg yolk into the,

[71:20]into like my mixture and had to like fork it out of there.

[71:24]So there may be a little more that I wasn't signing up for on this cocktail.

[71:29]You're getting a little protein there.

[71:30]You're going to be,

[71:30]you're going to be like super buff tomorrow.

[71:31]You're going to be like bodybuilder,

[71:32]Rocky big brother.

[71:34]Oh brother.

[71:37]I just had a cocktail.

[71:38]I had a full egg at a brother.

[71:40]I don't want to give all the bits away here,

[71:42]but Russell's talking about eating raw eggs and we're listening to Freddie

[71:46]freeloader,

[71:47]which to me is,

[71:48]is the lightest sort of,

[71:50]and Russell's like my bumblebees.

[71:52]And the,

[71:53]I think Freddie freeloader is sort of the lightest track on the album where

[71:56]you can,

[71:56]you can kind of hear the,

[71:57]the,

[71:58]the players dancing and kind of sparring with one another.

[72:01]And I don't know if you guys knew this,

[72:03]but,

[72:03]but miles throughout his life was a boxing enthusiast and trained as a

[72:09]boxer was also a big fan of boxing,

[72:11]particularly of sugar Ray Robinson.

[72:13]And there's a great history of writing about boxing and jazz.

[72:18]George Foreman is,

[72:20]is there's a famous quote attributed to George Foreman.

[72:23]Boxing is like jazz.

[72:25]The better it is,

[72:25]the less people appreciate it.

[72:28]I mean,

[72:29]that's,

[72:29]that's pretty poignant right there,

[72:31]right?

[72:31]Yeah.

[72:32]So there's a lot of great connections between boxing and jazz and

[72:35]specifically miles and boxing.

[72:38]Okay.

[72:39]But I was thinking,

[72:40]was there a,

[72:42]was there a Beck who did any boxing?

[72:43]And it turns out there was a heavyweight named Owen.

[72:49]What the heck?

[72:50]Beck from Jamaica challenged for the W WBA heavyweight title in 2006.

[72:56]The world by the WBC.

[72:58]Number 10,

[72:59]the heavyweight in the world by the IBF,

[73:02]ladies and gentlemen,

[73:03]please welcome the undefeated.

[73:05]What the heck?

[73:06]Beck had a 29 and 10 record as a professional and challenged for the W WBA heavyweight title.

[73:13]So I have to ask you guys when it comes to boxing professionally,

[73:17]who did it better between miles Davis and Owen?

[73:21]What the heck?

[73:22]Beck.

[73:22]Oh,

[73:24]and what the heck?

[73:25]Did it better?

[73:26]Oh yeah.

[73:28]I love it.

[73:30]I love it.

[73:30]So happy.

[73:32]So this Freddie freeloader is a more straight up 12 bar blues.

[73:35]You can kind of hear him shifting the normal chords.

[73:38]You'd hear in a,

[73:38]in a 12 bars blue song,

[73:39]like a crossroad or something like that.

[73:42]Aaron sent me this sound and he just said,

[73:44]is this where miles hurt his lip?

[73:45]Aaron,

[73:45]what the hell are you talking about?

[73:46]Well,

[73:47]you talked about how miles later in his career would say,

[73:52]I'll leave this behind.

[73:53]I need,

[73:53]I need to change.

[73:53]I need something different.

[73:54]And one of the things that he said was this true or not.

[73:58]I don't know.

[73:58]But he said,

[73:59]I don't,

[73:59]I don't play those songs anymore because they hurt my lip.

[74:01]And he might've just been saying that because he wanted to move on to

[74:05]something different.

[74:06]But I do wonder,

[74:07]and Matt,

[74:08]you played trumpet for a while.

[74:09]Trumpet.

[74:10]When you watch the videos of these guys playing trumpet,

[74:13]it looks brutal,

[74:14]right?

[74:15]Like when you see Dizzy Gillespie's neck puff out gigantically.

[74:17]And so it looks like Louis Armstrong's lips.

[74:20]You can see the imprint and you know,

[74:23]it's,

[74:23]it's,

[74:24]it's there forever.

[74:24]Kind of a deal.

[74:25]Yeah.

[74:25]It looks like it hurts.

[74:26]And so I think there are some sounds on the,

[74:28]on the album where you can kind of hear like,

[74:29]well,

[74:29]that must've hurt miles of lip.

[74:30]Like he's really going to the limits of what he can do.

[74:32]So that was,

[74:33]that was,

[74:34]this was one spot where I thought,

[74:35]well,

[74:35]maybe this is a thing that he didn't want to do more later in his

[74:38]life.

[74:38]Cause it was hurting him.

[74:39]There's a little more Coltrane on Freddie Freeloader.

[74:42]Ooh.

[74:45]When he shows up on this one,

[74:49]that's a moment right there.

[74:51]Like you took me talking about like moments on albums.

[74:54]So even me probably not appreciating this.

[74:57]Like I should,

[74:58]when that kicks in,

[74:59]it's like,

[74:59]Oh,

[74:59]that's a holy shit moment.

[75:01]And to me,

[75:02]when you're looking at albums on the top 500 lists,

[75:04]I want holy shit moments.

[75:05]And that was one of them right there.

[75:07]That's just a perfect five seconds of music.

[75:10]Like something about that with the way it was recorded,

[75:12]the way he was playing.

[75:13]Perfect.

[75:14]Yeah.

[75:14]And compare that to cannonball style here at cannonball Adderley.

[75:17]By the way,

[75:18]this was the only song that had Wynton Kelly on piano.

[75:21]That was miles old piano player because he,

[75:25]he wanted him on it.

[75:25]Cause he was more of a blues guy.

[75:28]Yes.

[75:28]And again,

[75:29]all these songs were recorded in two nights.

[75:31]So can you imagine he like brought this guy in for one song?

[75:33]And then he was like,

[75:33]okay,

[75:33]leave.

[75:34]You got it.

[75:35]I'm having this other guy was recording giant steps.

[75:37]Oh,

[75:37]can you give me a second?

[75:38]Actually,

[75:39]Aaron,

[75:39]I brought somebody else on the podcast.

[75:40]Can you just leave for a little bit?

[75:41]This is the part where we need to be funny.

[75:42]So I need you to go.

[75:43]I'm going to bring in somebody funny.

[75:44]And then when we want to get to boring stuff,

[75:45]you can come back.

[75:46]All right,

[75:46]let me know.

[75:47]Cause I got a,

[75:47]I got a Wynton Kelly fact for you when you're all right.

[75:49]So I muted Aaron.

[75:50]I can't hear what he's saying.

[75:58]Except for Naima when Coltrane recorded Naima,

[76:01]which to me is one of the top five recorded songs in human history.

[76:06]He brought in Jimmy Cobb to do the brushwork on drums and Wynton Kelly to play piano.

[76:10]Aaron,

[76:12]I'm going to need you to make a list of a jazz primer set that I can put up on our social media.

[76:16]People want to get into jazz and be smart as shit.

[76:18]Like we are.

[76:19]We're not dumb guys.

[76:20]We're smart guys.

[76:21]We like jazz.

[76:22]All right.

[76:23]I've got a blue and green.

[76:27]I'm not,

[76:28]and you,

[76:28]if you think I'm going to make a Kevin Green on the Steelers joke,

[76:30]I'm not going to do it.

[76:32]Okay.

[76:33]That's a callback.

[76:34]That's a,

[76:34]that's a big,

[76:35]I'm not going to do that.

[76:36]And that's a deep cut.

[76:37]The only reason you want to talk Kevin Green is because he was always famous for being the Hulk Hogan lookalike.

[76:42]And you just can't get enough of that sex tape,

[76:44]can you Rob?

[76:44]Yeah.

[76:45]Hey brother,

[76:46]I play for the Steelers brother.

[76:48]I just ate a whole bunch of sushi.

[76:49]Like I ate like a pig.

[76:51]Okay guys,

[76:52]after this episode,

[76:53]we're watching that sex tape.

[76:54]We're doing it together.

[76:55]We're going to sit around.

[76:56]It's no,

[76:56]it's no ultimate.

[76:57]But we're going to watch that sex tape together.

[76:59]It's going to rule.

[77:00]All right.

[77:01]Blue and green.

[77:03]You guys,

[77:04]did we talk about this?

[77:06]Is this a Miles Davis?

[77:07]One of his first albums or how long had he been around for?

[77:09]Is he established at this point or not?

[77:11]So he started playing with Charlie Parker,

[77:14]right?

[77:14]As the,

[77:14]as a trumpet player.

[77:15]And then he,

[77:17]he,

[77:18]he started playing trumpet at 12.

[77:19]So kind of like what Matt was doing.

[77:21]This is very similar to Matt so far.

[77:22]And then by the time he was 18,

[77:24]when Charlie Parker came through St.

[77:26]Louis,

[77:27]he actually sat in and played with him and realized then he has to go to

[77:30]New York.

[77:31]And he just was playing with him every night in New York on that route

[77:34]that I would bike down ring,

[77:35]ring,

[77:35]ring with me and my big ass helmet.

[77:36]Yeah.

[77:38]Miles had been playing for a long time.

[77:39]There's a string of maybe four albums prior to this one on the prestige

[77:44]label.

[77:44]So there's cooking,

[77:45]steaming,

[77:45]working,

[77:46]maybe one other,

[77:48]uh,

[77:48]the birth of the cool sessions were late forties.

[77:51]And this is from 59.

[77:53]So yeah,

[77:53]he'd been around for a long time.

[77:55]Shaving.

[77:56]It's like a loving and shaving and rubbing and touching and crying and

[78:03]hiding and apologizing.

[78:06]Okay.

[78:06]Uh,

[78:06]so Aaron sent me this clip from Aaron reminder.

[78:13]When you edit this,

[78:14]don't don't edit out that one part where Rob was funny and we actually

[78:17]laughed.

[78:17]Keep that part in,

[78:18]keep that part in.

[78:19]Well,

[78:21]see,

[78:21]that's the,

[78:21]that's the key is that you guys just suggest the edits.

[78:23]I actually get to pick what comes in.

[78:25]So anytime there's a joke where it's like,

[78:26]this wasn't really that funny.

[78:27]I'm like,

[78:28]ah,

[78:28]keep it in.

[78:29]Uh,

[78:30]so no,

[78:31]Aaron's going to be blown away by the podcast.

[78:33]He's going to like,

[78:33]listen to it and be like,

[78:34]Oh,

[78:34]this is what it sounds like.

[78:35]This is crazy.

[78:36]I've never heard this before.

[78:37]I should have your wife edited.

[78:38]Probably Aaron.

[78:39]She's probably more in tune with what's going on in the podcast.

[78:41]Uh,

[78:42]so blue and green was a song that was actually written by the piano

[78:45]player,

[78:46]but he doesn't get any credit for it.

[78:47]And he,

[78:48]when he complained about it one time,

[78:49]miles wrote him a $25 check.

[78:51]Now this is the greatest selling jazz album of all time.

[78:54]And miles,

[78:55]Dave is like,

[78:55]here you go.

[78:56]Here's a $25 check.

[78:57]It's so good.

[78:58]And this is another.

[78:59]So we go from the 12 bar where they're playing around with the

[79:01]chords.

[79:02]Russell,

[79:02]this is a nuttle modal song.

[79:04]So you can kind of hear,

[79:05]you don't hear a shift in tone or a shift in what chords or what

[79:10]notes are playing,

[79:11]but they're making these jumps there.

[79:15]That's what I have to say.

[79:16]This sounds smart.

[79:16]I just like to listen to the,

[79:19]I always think guys playing when I was younger and I would see

[79:23]guys playing brushes on the drums.

[79:25]I was like,

[79:25]this is the biggest waste of time ever.

[79:28]It's not loud.

[79:29]It doesn't rock.

[79:30]It looks stupid.

[79:30]And now that I'm old and I appreciate things like the grain of wood

[79:34]in a table,

[79:35]like I have looked at a table and I've been like,

[79:36]that's really pretty wood.

[79:37]Like,

[79:38]or,

[79:38]or when I go into somebody's kitchen,

[79:39]I'm like,

[79:40]that's a really nice backsplash.

[79:41]You have,

[79:41]I now appreciate brushes on the drum.

[79:44]Like that's what getting older is.

[79:45]Backsplashes and wood grain.

[79:48]This isn't on this side,

[79:49]but do you guys think this is also the best album we've listened to so

[79:52]far that features any sort of symbol playing?

[79:55]I mean,

[79:56]except for the one Dave girl symbol on,

[79:59]uh,

[79:59]Oh yeah.

[80:01]That Aaron made us listen to.

[80:03]Oh my God.

[80:03]I remember that.

[80:04]Here comes my favorite spot right here.

[80:06]Aaron's emails.

[80:10]I'm like,

[80:10]Holy cow.

[80:11]What's going on with Aaron?

[80:12]And Aaron's like,

[80:13]you got to get it right to the symbol part right here.

[80:16]And I was like,

[80:17]wait,

[80:17]let me play it again.

[80:18]I didn't,

[80:18]I must not have heard it correctly.

[80:19]Yeah.

[80:21]Aaron's like,

[80:21]Oh my God.

[80:22]That's so good.

[80:22]I was like,

[80:23]it's so perfect.

[80:25]You know what?

[80:28]I,

[80:28]my favorite symbol artist,

[80:30]uh,

[80:30]I think is Prince when he was just going by the finger symbols.

[80:34]No,

[80:35]I was saying the artist formerly known as Prince when he was just the

[80:37]symbol.

[80:37]Oh,

[80:39]I get it.

[80:40]I get it.

[80:41]Jesus guys.

[80:43]Yep.

[80:43]That's pretty good actually,

[80:44]Rob.

[80:44]All right.

[80:45]Now we're,

[80:45]we're going back to a 12 bar blues.

[80:47]This is all blues.

[80:48]Actually the song tambourine by princess and really cool symbol work.

[80:51]If you want to peep that one out sometime.

[80:55]Actually there,

[80:58]as you guys know,

[81:00]who's in vinyl does a side a and side B.

[81:03]I don't know if we're on side B cause Rob switched up the songs,

[81:05]but I'm also,

[81:06]I've also made it myself a second cocktail tonight.

[81:09]As you can see,

[81:10]this is side B.

[81:12]This is called a Martinez.

[81:13]Have you guys ever had a Martinez before?

[81:15]No,

[81:15]plural is Martinez.

[81:17]Yeah.

[81:17]I love Martinez.

[81:18]Old Tom gin.

[81:19]It's got some gin vermouth,

[81:22]a lemon twist.

[81:24]I don't have lemon,

[81:25]but,

[81:25]but the best part about it is I put some tang in.

[81:28]I have some leftover tang.

[81:29]I went with lemon juice this time,

[81:31]Rob.

[81:31]So there was some sort of lemon flavor,

[81:33]but the biggest,

[81:34]the biggest ingredient is two dashes of orange flavored bitters.

[81:39]The idea that you don't have a lemon to me is so funny.

[81:43]Do you have some barrel aged gin though?

[81:45]That's cause you got a barrel aged gin for that.

[81:47]This album has always been employed to impress a certain sophistication.

[81:51]If you will,

[81:52]this cocktail is refined and nuanced.

[81:54]If you know,

[81:55]and drink it,

[81:56]it says you're an urbane member of the cocktail club and thus obviously good in the sack.

[82:02]If you like this drink,

[82:05]it says you're good in the sack.

[82:06]So I'm going to drink as many as I can before the end of the song on the bumble profile.

[82:10]I love Keith urbane.

[82:11]I think that's great.

[82:12]Uh,

[82:13]what were you talking about?

[82:14]Barrel aged gin earlier,

[82:15]Aaron?

[82:17]That's what you have to have for a Martinez.

[82:19]You need to have barrel aged gin.

[82:20]I don't think you should be saying barely legal gin.

[82:23]I don't,

[82:24]I don't like that.

[82:25]And you can edit that out later.

[82:26]All right.

[82:27]All blues.

[82:28]No wonder this tastes like shit.

[82:30]Cause mine must not have been barrel aged.

[82:32]Yeah.

[82:32]How could you not be drinking gin?

[82:34]That's not barrel aged.

[82:35]This is miles letting loose a little bit.

[82:37]By the way,

[82:38]this is our last song.

[82:38]So,

[82:39]I mean,

[82:40]can you guys imagine,

[82:41]and you know,

[82:42]we're talking so much about editing tonight.

[82:43]Can you imagine writing this album?

[82:44]So here's like miles and the piano player going back and forth.

[82:47]Imagine doing this,

[82:48]knowing that it's all live.

[82:50]You're on a razor's edge all the time.

[82:52]Playing jazz,

[82:53]like any mistake.

[82:54]And this 10 minute song,

[82:55]you recorded is gone from any of the players,

[82:58]from any of these,

[82:58]the sextet.

[82:59]Like it would be so stressful.

[83:01]It'd be like recording a podcast without being able to edit out super

[83:04]offensive things.

[83:05]I say like,

[83:05]it would be a disaster.

[83:06]And it's probably late at night.

[83:07]So they probably just want to get done with it and go to bed,

[83:09]which is not like this podcast at all.

[83:12]No,

[83:12]not like this one at all.

[83:13]Matt,

[83:14]Matt is really a great guy.

[83:16]He's reclining right now with his feet up,

[83:17]just waiting for us to hit stop.

[83:19]They probably originally agreed to record like a 10.

[83:21]And then it seems like every week we're creeping closer and closer to

[83:24]starting at midnight instead.

[83:25]I love how you look at it that way,

[83:27]but I look at it as we keep creeping closer and closer to like the two

[83:31]hour mark of the time.

[83:32]I love it.

[83:34]So here we have cannonball Adderley again,

[83:36]right on the beat here.

[83:37]He has this kind of lilting style that somehow is a bit different.

[83:46]Although I will be honest.

[83:47]I,

[83:47]I love Coltrane so much.

[83:49]I love love Supreme.

[83:50]I worship at the altar of Coltrane.

[83:52]And I listened to this album trying to figure out,

[83:55]if Coltrane is better than cannonball and I can't figure it out.

[83:57]I don't,

[83:58]I don't think he necessarily is.

[83:59]I think these guys are all just such geniuses that you can't,

[84:02]you can't rank them.

[84:03]You can't compare.

[84:04]Yeah.

[84:05]Who would want to rank stuff?

[84:06]That's so lame.

[84:07]That's a terrible idea.

[84:08]We should put a rating system on this.

[84:10]Listen to this drum roll here.

[84:11]Listen to that.

[84:17]And,

[84:17]and here,

[84:18]I mean,

[84:18]if you listen to the rhythm section,

[84:19]just in general on this album,

[84:20]it's just Aaron.

[84:23]Good job.

[84:24]Picking up the song.

[84:25]Clips this week,

[84:25]by the way,

[84:25]I'm so proud of you.

[84:26]Thank you.

[84:26]Yeah.

[84:26]I enjoy listening to this one.

[84:28]I like trying to pick out the,

[84:29]the moments.

[84:30]Yeah.

[84:32]The,

[84:32]the bass piano and drums just work so tightly together throughout this

[84:36]whole thing.

[84:36]I think this was just such a huge shift from that super fast bebop jazz that

[84:41]we talked about earlier.

[84:42]I mean,

[84:42]this is another album where it really is.

[84:44]The thing is,

[84:45]is that it's just,

[84:46]this is a revolutionary album.

[84:47]It's kind of like the Sergeant Pepper of jazz where all of a sudden it

[84:51]just like sent everything in a totally different direction.

[84:54]Thanks.

[84:55]I'm Ken Burns.

[84:55]All right,

[84:56]let's get into our final rating system.

[84:59]And again,

[85:00]everybody loves it.

[85:01]They think it's great.

[85:02]By the way,

[85:08]when I was out to drinks tonight,

[85:09]one guy there was a big fan of the podcast.

[85:11]So he wanted to talk to me about like how we do stuff.

[85:14]And then I was just so tickled and everyone else was mortified.

[85:17]Annoyed as shit that you were talking about it.

[85:19]Correct.

[85:19]And guess what?

[85:20]I don't care.

[85:21]I'm I,

[85:22]I want to talk to our dumb shit listeners and tell them how I do things.

[85:24]I want to talk about things I'm interested in,

[85:27]believe it or not.

[85:27]Let's get into our final rating system.

[85:28]Listen,

[85:29]this has been going long,

[85:30]so I'm just going to do this real fast.

[85:31]The first rating is rolling.

[85:34]This is 31 on the list.

[85:35]Do you think this album is rolling?

[85:36]Well toned.

[85:37]Okay.

[85:37]That's a tone.

[85:39]Do you think it should be a 31?

[85:41]It's perfect.

[85:41]It didn't get rolling boned.

[85:43]And that means that it's too low on the list.

[85:44]Now that is confusing because that means that you think it should have a

[85:48]lower number.

[85:48]So you might say,

[85:49]well,

[85:49]it's low on the list.

[85:50]What's the lower number mean?

[85:51]Well,

[85:51]the list goes down.

[85:52]So being low is actually a higher number,

[85:54]a lower number,

[85:54]means it got boned.

[85:55]So basically,

[85:56]if you liked it more than 31 all time and think about it,

[85:59]this is miles Davis.

[86:00]Okay.

[86:00]Famous stuff.

[86:01]And we're smart.

[86:02]We're smart jazz people.

[86:03]Now you think I got rolling bone.

[86:05]You can say rolling bone,

[86:06]or if you think it's a rolling,

[86:06]go rone.

[86:07]Oh no,

[86:08]guys rolling,

[86:09]going,

[86:09]I screwed up.

[86:09]We got to start over the podcast.

[86:10]If you think it's a rolling grown,

[86:12]it's too high on the list,

[86:13]but it should be a higher number.

[86:15]Now that doesn't make any sense to me right now.

[86:16]And I don't care.

[86:17]Let's get into it,

[86:18]Matt.

[86:18]How do you rate this album?

[86:19]Is it a rolling?

[86:21]Well toned,

[86:22]a rolling bone or rolling grown.

[86:23]And that gag never gets old to be interrupting people on the first time.

[86:26]I hear you.

[86:26]The,

[86:27]I am having a rosy moment where it's hard to rank this against,

[86:31]you know,

[86:32]like we're listening to a lemonade by Beyonce next,

[86:36]right?

[86:36]So how we're supposed to,

[86:37]to,

[86:38]to Russell's question five minutes ago,

[86:40]do you hear anything?

[86:41]It's just completely,

[86:42]it's almost the first time I've said the whole rating things kind of

[86:46]asinine.

[86:47]So I'm going to say it's rolling bone.

[86:49]You know,

[86:49]I think this whole jazz,

[86:50]having gone through the,

[86:52]the Ken Burns thing,

[86:53]you know,

[86:53]I equate it to like rock and roll music,

[86:56]right?

[86:56]Like rock and roll started out with buddy Holly,

[86:58]and then it shifted to the Beatles.

[87:00]Then it shifted to like the,

[87:02]you know,

[87:03]the stuff from the seventies and everything's moving.

[87:05]Right.

[87:05]And this Rob's point is exactly this.

[87:08]I think of this as like the,

[87:10]the Nirvana nevermind type album for jazz,

[87:14]right?

[87:14]It kind of moved it away from what was cool and hip and everything into kind

[87:19]of just a whole new realm.

[87:20]And it opened up huge,

[87:22]huge doors and everything.

[87:22]So from a jazz standpoint,

[87:25]you know,

[87:25]it's,

[87:25]it got rolling boned,

[87:27]but from a overall standpoint,

[87:28]I'm just going to say it's a rolling well toned.

[87:31]Cause it's,

[87:31]it's hard to put it up against anything else.

[87:33]I'll tell you what,

[87:35]man,

[87:35]you were saying that you thought it was asses nine,

[87:37]you know,

[87:38]when those short shorts,

[87:38]I think it's a 10 Russell,

[87:41]what do you think of this album?

[87:43]Admittedly,

[87:45]I said this at the very beginning and Matt mentioned it.

[87:48]I,

[87:48]I,

[87:48]I don't know enough about jazz music to differentiate why this,

[87:52]this music is so important and what sets it apart from if I just go listen

[87:57]to a random jazz band at a bar.

[87:59]And so this one was very tough for me,

[88:02]but I really did enjoy listening to you guys explain kind of why this is

[88:06]different and why it set itself apart and why it was unique at the time.

[88:09]So I really appreciate that.

[88:11]And I think the biggest key for me has to come back to my date in life.

[88:15]We started with this near the beginning.

[88:17]I'm going to end with it.

[88:18]And I'm going to go back to the booze and vinyl book,

[88:20]the booze and vinyl book.

[88:22]Says you should drop this needle with some classy snacks there and classy

[88:25]snacks.

[88:26]You got to have classy snacks,

[88:27]dim the lights,

[88:28]set the mood for some sensuous lounging.

[88:30]But you know,

[88:31]when they tell you to play this,

[88:32]they say when to spin is to impress a new dame.

[88:36]So I'm going to say this is rolling well toned.

[88:39]And the next time I try to impress a new dame,

[88:41]I'm going to spend miles Davis kind of blue.

[88:44]So I appreciate you guys opening me up to a new type of music.

[88:47]It's rolling well tone.

[88:48]Thank you.

[88:48]And listen,

[88:49]if the date's going really well and you think that she's too fired up,

[88:52]and you really want to get her to board,

[88:53]talk to her about modalities and music.

[88:54]That seems to have a very calming effect on everyone.

[88:57]If it's like,

[88:58]Oh,

[88:58]there's too many jokes going on.

[88:59]Things are too funny right now.

[89:00]I really want to bring it down.

[89:01]Drop that mix.

[89:02]A load.

[89:02]You're an honor.

[89:03]The modalities of music worked for me.

[89:07]The first,

[89:08]the last 40 years of my life.

[89:09]Well,

[89:09]it'll work.

[89:10]The next one.

[89:10]All I can think about is if miles Davis was ever like,

[89:13]okay,

[89:13]we're going to play a mix of Lodi and scale.

[89:15]And somebody goes,

[89:15]I don't know.

[89:16]And then they dump slime on them.

[89:17]I mean,

[89:17]it's mixed.

[89:18]It's mixed with Lydian.

[89:19]But when you say mix a Lodi and you talk about dropping it on Russell's

[89:21]dates,

[89:22]I really don't want to correct you.

[89:23]It's just,

[89:23]it's too good.

[89:24]All right,

[89:27]Aaron,

[89:27]how do you rank this album?

[89:29]Yeah,

[89:31]I,

[89:31]this is where the list falls apart again.

[89:34]I thought it fell apart with Jimi Hendrix,

[89:36]but the inclusion of jazz on the list at all is absurd.

[89:40]So in doing some brief research on the list in,

[89:45]in 1959,

[89:46]the other three albums that came out that,

[89:48]that I love,

[89:49]that I know of are Ornette Coleman,

[89:51]Ornette Coleman,

[89:51]the shape of jazz to come Charles Mingus,

[89:54]Mingus,

[89:54]and the Dave Rubeck is a quartet or quintet quartet timeout.

[89:59]So just those three albums,

[90:01]like the fact that those are,

[90:03]I don't even know if they're on the list that doesn't even get into Thelonious

[90:07]Monk's entire output.

[90:08]It's including jazz at all.

[90:11]It means you're telling me that Velvet Underground's record is better than

[90:15]everything Thelonious Monk ever recorded in his life.

[90:17]There's just no way.

[90:18]So I,

[90:19]I disagree with including jazz in this list.

[90:21]Jazz to me is totally separate.

[90:23]Uh,

[90:24]and I will say for me,

[90:26]this is not my favorite jazz album of all time for me.

[90:30]That's love Supreme.

[90:30]I don't know if that means it's better because I don't know what it would

[90:33]mean to be better,

[90:34]but,

[90:34]but it's not my number one jazz album of all time.

[90:37]However,

[90:38]the players are so good.

[90:40]The music is so good.

[90:42]The tones are so beautiful that I can't say anything,

[90:45]but the album is,

[90:47]is really well toned.

[90:49]Hmm.

[90:49]Rob,

[90:52]this is where you put in your clever,

[90:53]your clever quip.

[90:54]I know I had a joke there and I can't remember what it was.

[90:57]That went so long.

[90:58]I had a joke at the beginning that I forgot.

[91:00]I went too long.

[91:01]I apologize.

[91:01]No,

[91:02]stop it.

[91:03]Now you make me feel bad when you actually apologize for screwed up.

[91:06]I was just telling a joke.

[91:07]My God.

[91:07]I love how Rob though said how you apologize for screwing up.

[91:11]Like he,

[91:11]he told you that you screwed up by going too long.

[91:14]I love it.

[91:14]I tried it.

[91:15]I practiced that today.

[91:16]I tried to keep it shorter.

[91:17]So here's the deal.

[91:18]Listen,

[91:19]this obviously gets a rolling evolution,

[91:21]right?

[91:22]I mean,

[91:22]this is really like a,

[91:23]a,

[91:23]a huge step in music and jazz in general.

[91:26]And I,

[91:27]that's why I talked about all that boring stuff.

[91:29]Cause I,

[91:29]I got a lot out of when I was researching this album of like,

[91:31]what is the big deal with this album?

[91:33]Cause it sounds like every other jazz album to me.

[91:34]And we're going to have that continue next week because we are talking

[91:38]about Beyonce's lemonade.

[91:40]And I think this is going to be another one where we're going to look

[91:42]back in 20 years at this album and be like,

[91:44]this was the start of a whole revolution in music.

[91:47]So that has been it for this week.

[91:49]On this new Hepcat smart guy version of Beck did it better.

[91:53]When you want to hear about the greatest albums of all time,

[91:58]but you're just,

[92:00]we did it guys.

[92:01]We made it through a jazz album.

[92:02]We talked about that.

[92:04]When we started this podcast,

[92:05]like how the hell are we going to do this?

[92:06]He did.

[92:07]He's like pulled it off.

[92:08]Six,

[92:09]six,

[92:10]uh,

[92:10]tracks.

[92:11]It's the longest one we've had.

[92:13]Two hours of recording better.