John Coltrane: A Love Supreme (1965)

[00:00]In 2020, four friends decided to listen to every one of the greatest 500 albums as decided by Rolling Stone magazine.

[00:05]This resulted in a text chain that celebrated the music, excoriated the order, and led us to making this podcast.

[00:11]We are far from experts, and we promise to do almost no research.

[00:14]All opinions are our own, unless you disagree.

[00:17]Please sit back and enjoy.

[00:19]Beck did it better.

[00:20]From 1964, this is album 66.

[00:24]This is Love Supreme from John Coltrane.

[00:28]Guys, I was thinking that this podcast should be more like one of those NPR podcasts.

[00:34]I've put together a little script for the opening bit here.

[00:37]There's a flash of light.

[00:40]We see a metallic orb.

[00:42]It's obviously a machine, but it looks like it was made by an advanced civilization.

[00:46]We hear the whirring of gears, and a door opens.

[00:49]We squint to see what could be past the entrance to the machine, and a thick white smoke pours out.

[00:56]It's lit by green.

[00:58]Green lights.

[00:58]Don't interrupt me.

[01:00]It's a time machine, okay?

[01:01]And we look in, and it's Russell, okay?

[01:03]We get in.

[01:04]Russell invites us all in, and we're off to October 2nd, 1965.

[01:10]We land, okay?

[01:12]It's Seattle.

[01:14]We go into a jazz club known as the Penthouse.

[01:18]Now, it's not quite what I was expecting, so I'm a little disappointed.

[01:20]Okay?

[01:22]I am a little disappointed.

[01:23]I'm mad about it.

[01:24]I like where this is going.

[01:25]But we go into the Penthouse.

[01:28]And let's listen.

[01:29]Oh, who's that over there?

[01:30]Wait a minute.

[01:30]That's John Coltrane.

[01:32]What?

[01:33]Right.

[01:34]He's playing.

[01:35]Is he going to do it?

[01:35]Is he going to play it?

[01:36]Live.

[01:37]Okay.

[01:38]This is a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

[01:41]Absolutely.

[01:42]Now, Russell, you're taking us to where you bought tickets.

[01:47]Where are we?

[01:47]Uh-oh.

[01:50]Wait.

[01:50]It's only a 275-seat auditorium.

[01:53]Yeah, but somehow we're up on the third level.

[01:55]Now, listen to this.

[01:55]We're not at the balcony, are we?

[01:58]Yeah, the acoustics up here, Russell.

[02:01]Not as good, are they?

[02:03]It's not as good.

[02:04]I can't hear who's playing exactly.

[02:07]It looks like, is Coltrane playing like a lute?

[02:11]Is that a guitar or a saxophone?

[02:13]What is he playing?

[02:14]I think this is Beasts of Bird.

[02:15]Tuba?

[02:15]When did they play Jumping Jack's Lash?

[02:17]Hey, pal.

[02:18]Sit in your own fucking seat, why don't you?

[02:20]Get your knees out of here.

[02:21]Sorry about that.

[02:21]That'd take care of it.

[02:23]Hey, Russell, nice work.

[02:25]This is really worth the time.

[02:26]Thank you.

[02:26]Thank you.

[02:28]When you want to hear about the greatest album of all time.

[02:29]If they don't take credit cards, I need $100 bills to buy a drink.

[02:33]Russell, I have this tiny purse.

[02:35]Please help me get it.

[02:36]I'm going to need a third mortgage to buy this T-shirt.

[02:39]Give me the credit report or not.

[02:42]I have two T-shirts now that say John Coltrane.

[02:46]Beck did it better.

[02:49]Oh, what's up, everybody?

[02:51]This is Beck Did It Better.

[02:53]And yes, today we are talking about another jazz album.

[02:56]So it looks like Aaron's going to be enjoying it.

[02:58]He's going to be in charge.

[02:58]I've got three guys here who are excited because this album has the same number of words that Matt normally says in an episode.

[03:05]I've got Matt in Minneapolis.

[03:06]Matt, how are you doing?

[03:07]I'm doing great.

[03:10]I love Supreme.

[03:13]Oh, I got it.

[03:14]Yeah, there you go.

[03:15]I've got Russ in Minnesota.

[03:16]Russ, how are you doing tonight?

[03:18]I'm good.

[03:19]You guys wanted a funny quote from a jazz album on the list.

[03:21]Well, it didn't fucking make it.

[03:23]So here's what you get.

[03:25]Live from Minnesota.

[03:26]The guy who loves store.

[03:28]Bought cakes with store bought frosting that's shaped like roses.

[03:32]And I've got Aaron who's excited because he can stay up extra late because tonight is the end of daylight savings time.

[03:41]And I'm sure Aaron has no thoughts on daylight saving times.

[03:43]We got Aaron out in California.

[03:44]How are you doing?

[03:45]I'm not taking the bait on that yet.

[03:47]I am excited this week.

[03:48]My son asked me what it means to pray.

[03:50]And I told him when I pray, I listen to John Coltrane.

[03:52]So let's talk about.

[03:53]Well, that's weird because you're also a registered predator.

[03:58]So what, what, what I get it.

[04:02]Predator and pray.

[04:03]This is satire.

[04:04]Okay.

[04:05]Let's make a good edit point here.

[04:07]In case Aaron doesn't want me to say he's a predator.

[04:09]Okay.

[04:10]Could be a good thing too.

[04:12]You know?

[04:12]All right.

[04:13]Let's get into tonight's voicemail.

[04:16]So stupid.

[04:17]I can kiss my ass.

[04:18]Voicemail or Vex?

[04:19]Dumb shit listeners.

[04:20]They can't even tell what we're doing.

[04:21]It is a Vex.

[04:22]God, my listeners are dumb shits.

[04:23]They're just the dumbest of the dumb.

[04:24]Aaron, how do people reach the Vex line?

[04:26]Oh God.

[04:27]They can text us at 802-277-VEX.

[04:32]That's 802-277-2329-225.

[04:36]And just a little update.

[04:39]If we could have some more people maybe do it this week, that'd be great.

[04:41]Because we're a little dry on it this week.

[04:43]Let's see what Casey Kasem has to say.

[04:46]Nice.

[04:47]What is Aaron Moore horny about?

[04:48]Getting foot picture texts or the new The Bodyguard remake?

[04:51]Now, Aaron, did you realize that there is a new Bodyguard remake?

[04:55]And for some reason, somebody in our crowd thought fit.

[04:57]So text us and ask if you knew anything about the new Bodyguard movie coming out.

[05:01]I looked it up.

[05:02]It has nobody I've ever heard of in my life.

[05:03]Some guy who won a Tony.

[05:04]Okay.

[05:05]I don't even know what that is.

[05:06]I mean, if it's somebody who won a Tony, now I'm excited.

[05:09]Oh, yeah.

[05:09]Like Mr. New York is going to pretend like he doesn't know what a Tony is.

[05:12]They're great.

[05:13]Obviously, I am the known Whitney Houston fan on this podcast.

[05:18]But I have to apologize to our listeners.

[05:20]I was not aware that The Bodyguard has another version coming out.

[05:25]I will also be very honest.

[05:27]Honest with our listeners.

[05:28]I have not while I am a devotee of The Bodyguard soundtrack, I have not seen the original Bodyguard.

[05:34]I've not seen it.

[05:35]I just I've listened to the soundtrack a whole bunch.

[05:37]I love the soundtrack, but I've never seen it.

[05:39]It's a great movie, Rosie.

[05:41]I should watch it.

[05:42]I should watch it.

[05:43]I've definitely seen it.

[05:45]Okay.

[05:45]And I don't have time to go into my favorite scene from the movie right now.

[05:47]I think it's when Whitney Houston sings that classic song, I Will Always Love You, and other parts that may have been pulled for the music video that I saw 1,000,000 times when I was growing up.

[05:56]Why would they remake?

[05:57]They remake The Bodyguard.

[05:58]Now, here's the question.

[05:59]If they remake The Bodyguard, are they going to have the person sing?

[06:01]They can't sing I Will Always Love You, right?

[06:03]I mean, I think they have to.

[06:04]That's the whole movie.

[06:05]Aaron's never even seen the movie.

[06:06]That's all he knows is the song.

[06:08]I mean, that one and I'm Every Woman and I have I have nothing as Queen of the Night on that one, too.

[06:16]No, that's later.

[06:16]Yeah, that seems one like you can't you can't replicate that.

[06:20]You've got to go a different route with that.

[06:21]It's got to be something completely different.

[06:23]It's like, yeah, like the Karate Kid, the new Cobra Kai series.

[06:26]It's it's continuing the characters and it's like a different show.

[06:29]Now, you can't go back and just try to remake that movie, can you?

[06:32]No, only if Jennifer Hudson would do it.

[06:35]And at some point, Jennifer Hudson, Jennifer Hudson is going to say, I'm not going to continue doing famous singers on screen because there's they're diminishing returns.

[06:43]So there's nobody else.

[06:44]Also, it'd be tough because Kevin Costner's character died at the end.

[06:47]Oh, right.

[06:48]Aaron, you haven't seen it.

[06:49]That's my bad.

[06:49]My bad.

[06:50]You know what?

[06:50]My favorite part of the movie was right before right before he died or it was actually right after.

[06:56]Yeah, he died.

[06:57]He walked out of this cornfield and then him and Whitney Houston started playing catch.

[07:02]And then every dude in the world starts getting emotional about thinking about moments with their dad.

[07:07]That was the had a cat.

[07:09]That was the had a cat.

[07:10]They had a cat.

[07:11]That was the movie growing up where I realized that I was a crier at movies.

[07:15]I cry at movies all the time.

[07:17]I cry at two different things.

[07:18]I cry at Facebook videos of veterans coming home and meeting their family.

[07:22]It makes me cry every time, every time I watch it.

[07:24]Especially when the kids and you got like a you got like a.

[07:26]A mid teen who goes up and just hugs their dad like it's the greatest.

[07:29]Oh, my God.

[07:30]And I cry.

[07:30]I cry my eyes out at movies.

[07:32]I cried and my kid makes fun of me.

[07:34]My 12 year old kid who I am.

[07:36]I'm the light of her life.

[07:38]OK, and I'm kind of a role model.

[07:40]And she always says things to me.

[07:42]I assume I'm not really the same.

[07:43]I noise canceling headphones in a lot.

[07:46]She's always saying things.

[07:47]I assume like, oh, you're such a good dad.

[07:48]And thanks for being here when you're not at the gym or doing stuff.

[07:52]Why are you lying down with your VR goggles on?

[07:54]Things like that.

[07:56]Why is your door always locked?

[07:57]Stuff like that.

[07:58]Listen, we don't have to get into what she says, but she said she tells everybody.

[08:03]My dad cried at Boss Baby 2 and then laughs about it.

[08:06]Makes fun of her dad for crying at Boss Baby 2.

[08:08]I'm going to say Boss Baby 2.

[08:10]Another fucking movie.

[08:11]That's a cartoon.

[08:12]Should be fun.

[08:13]Should be a good time.

[08:14]Instead, it's about growing older and making mistakes in your life and looking back with regret.

[08:19]I'm like, fuck this shit.

[08:20]I do not want to watch this with kids movies.

[08:22]It sucks.

[08:23]I want to see kids movies with like Transformers.

[08:26]I just would have hugged it out when they were eight.

[08:27]They would have been fine.

[08:28]Yeah, I don't want to see Optimus Prime be like, I think I need reading glasses.

[08:33]Like, I don't.

[08:33]That's not what I want to see.

[08:34]Wait, has that happened?

[08:36]Let me get reading glasses.

[08:38]Hold the all spark for me.

[08:42]I'm going to LensCrafters Bumblebee.

[08:45]Okay, this is where we improv a Transformers getting older scene.

[08:49]Go, Aaron.

[08:49]Suspiciously close to the Hulk Hogan voice.

[08:52]What if Optimus Prime and Hulk Hogan shared a dad?

[08:56]Hey, brother, Optimus Prime, brother, we share a dad.

[09:00]We're not.

[09:01]They find out at the end of the movie.

[09:04]Matt, what are you going to do when I transform it into a wrestling star to a porn star and do something all over you?

[09:14]Listen, Russell, I loved it.

[09:20]I'm keeping it in.

[09:20]I think that's funny as shit.

[09:21]It's the bodyguard.

[09:23]Well, that's the weird thing about the bodyguard is it's being remade.

[09:26]It's being remade with Hulk Hogan and Optimus Prime.

[09:27]A lot of people don't realize.

[09:28]And I will always love you.

[09:33]Now, I'm going to put a robot voice on that in post.

[09:35]It's going to sound really good.

[09:36]If you be afraid.

[09:42]Is it going to have a really high voice, a falsetto or not?

[09:46]Yeah, that's also going to be in post.

[09:47]It's going to be a high robot voice coming at you in post.

[09:49]Definitely.

[09:50]My talents are in editing, maybe not singing so much.

[09:53]So Aaron really never answered the question.

[09:55]What makes you more horny, Aaron?

[09:57]The remake or the pictures of feet?

[09:59]Well, as I've discussed before, the foot fetish is not actually a true thing of mine.

[10:06]So it would have to be sight unseen.

[10:08]Sight unseen.

[10:09]It is the remake of the bodyguard.

[10:12]Maybe I can watch them both back to back.

[10:14]Wait, did Rob just ask us if he can talk about something?

[10:17]Back to back?

[10:19]What if he said no?

[10:19]I'm thinking about you and Hulk Hogan sitting in a bathtub naked back to back for some reason.

[10:23]New bodyguard movie.

[10:24]Sounds good.

[10:24]Brother.

[10:25]Brother Aaron, I'm here and I'm your bodyguard.

[10:27]I will always love you.

[10:29]And you know what else I love?

[10:30]Eating sushi, brother.

[10:32]Oh my God.

[10:32]I like a big blab.

[10:33]Hey, wait, it's my son on the phone.

[10:35]I better pick him up while I'm plowing my friend's wife.

[10:37]Hello?

[10:37]Uh-huh.

[10:39]Uh-huh.

[10:40]I thought it was his wife's brother.

[10:41]My brother.

[10:42]We both share a dad.

[10:42]Your granddad, brother.

[10:44]And so on and so forth.

[10:46]What was I going to say?

[10:48]I can't remember.

[10:49]You asked us if you could talk about something.

[10:51]Yeah, I was going to talk about something.

[10:53]You're the main host.

[10:54]Shit.

[10:55]What was I going to talk about?

[10:55]You think about it.

[10:58]There's two things.

[10:58]I'm reading this article about the new bodyguard, okay?

[11:01]Oh, good.

[11:01]One, somebody's been trying to...

[11:03]Number of clicks, one.

[11:03]Now two.

[11:07]At least Matt is reading something about the podcast this time.

[11:10]Oh my God, I can't believe it.

[11:11]Somebody's been trying to remake it since 2011.

[11:14]Wow.

[11:14]I mean, so like, that's a long time.

[11:16]And two, Kevin Costner said there was supposed to be a sequel to it in the late 90s.

[11:22]And that Princess Di was supposed to...

[11:25]Star in it.

[11:26]And then she died in 1997.

[11:27]So basically that shut down all of that.

[11:29]No, come on.

[11:29]I'm not lying.

[11:31]Princess Di was going to be a bodyguard in the movie?

[11:34]I mean, that's an ironic twist, isn't it?

[11:36]Ironic.

[11:37]She was also going to be in the Fast and Furious movie.

[11:40]It was like, oh.

[11:41]Most people don't know that.

[11:43]I think we've talked about this before.

[11:44]But the song, I Will Always Love You, is a...

[11:47]Who originally sang it?

[11:48]Dolly, right?

[11:49]Dolly Parton, right?

[11:50]I had no idea until about a year ago.

[11:54]She sings the hell out of it.

[11:55]Dolly Parton, too.

[11:55]She sings it great.

[11:56]She made $10 million in royalties just off that movie.

[11:59]$10 million.

[12:00]And you know who suggested?

[12:01]They had the bodyguard.

[12:03]Kevin Costner.

[12:04]And it was Kevin Costner who was like, listen, we need a song.

[12:06]You should try this Dolly Parton song.

[12:07]He was a big Dolly fan.

[12:08]And Whitney was like, it's a great idea, Kevin.

[12:11]I love you.

[12:12]Is that song by Whitney Houston?

[12:14]Has anyone ever seen someone do that at karaoke?

[12:17]Can people do that?

[12:18]Or is it way too hard?

[12:19]No.

[12:19]The end part when they hold?

[12:22]Nobody can.

[12:23]I mean, like you can't.

[12:24]That's not a good idea.

[12:25]You can't hold that note.

[12:25]You can't belt it like she does.

[12:27]Yeah, it's horrible.

[12:27]Because it's also the sort of thing where if you go to karaoke and you really nail that,

[12:32]people are just like, well, then just go be a professional.

[12:35]Like nobody wants at karaoke to hear someone actually just turn it off like that.

[12:39]All right, show off.

[12:40]Yeah, exactly.

[12:41]And then Aaron's in the crowd booing you.

[12:43]You're like, what are you doing?

[12:44]Nobody wants that.

[12:45]What's wrong?

[12:46]Well, I got to defend myself a little bit.

[12:48]There is a part of me that has always wanted to see the bodyguard because those songs were always on the Q102 top list.

[12:55]Top five at nine when I was a kid.

[12:56]Listen to all of them.

[12:58]You didn't want to cry your eyes out, though.

[12:59]I didn't want to cry my eyes out.

[13:01]I don't want to cry my eyes out now.

[13:02]I'm not going to watch Whitney Houston on screen.

[13:04]That's the saddest shit in all of life.

[13:07]I'm not going to go there.

[13:07]So I will defend myself.

[13:09]There are just like Rob's a crier at movies.

[13:11]Sometimes I just can't do the sad films and I'm not going to watch Whitney Houston on screen.

[13:15]If you would have seen me sitting in the Uber by myself after that concert date, you would have seen much sadder.

[13:20]Trust me.

[13:24]Russell hustling his date into the car like a bodyguard.

[13:28]So my quandary is this.

[13:30]My rolling going is karaoke.

[13:32]So I can make a seamless transition to a karaoke story right now.

[13:36]Or I can say the thing that I finally remember that I was going to say.

[13:40]And I'm going to go with the bad decision.

[13:43]I'm going to say the thing I finally remember to say.

[13:44]So let's rewind the tape.

[13:45]Let's get into Russell's time machine.

[13:46]Orb comes down.

[13:48]We all get in white object.

[13:49]We go back three minutes.

[13:51]It's right there.

[13:51]And I want to say that I want to.

[13:54]Is it OK with you?

[13:54]Guys, if I talk about something we talked about after the podcast.

[13:56]OK, I'm going to big thumbs up from everybody.

[13:58]No problem whatsoever.

[13:59]I think it's going to be fine.

[14:00]We need to start.

[14:01]Our fans are now known as foot freaks.

[14:04]OK, just foot freaks.

[14:05]Nothing to do with back to the better.

[14:06]Just foot freaks.

[14:07]So when you introduce yourself, say, hey, are you a foot freak?

[14:09]And then when you see us say, hey, I'm a foot freak.

[14:13]We'll be like, hey, we love our foot freaks out there.

[14:15]So if you are a fan, if you are one of our dumb shit listeners, you are now an official foot freak.

[14:19]We are going to have some foot freak merch coming out.

[14:21]It's going to be back to the better.

[14:23]Real small in the front, like font size.

[14:24]Like four.

[14:25]And then on the back, real big.

[14:26]It's going to say foot freak with an arrow that says to blow here.

[14:29]And a lot of people aren't going to get that joke unless you've listened to just the right number of episodes.

[14:33]But I think it's going to be a big hit.

[14:34]All right.

[14:37]Let's get into rolling going.

[14:38]You asked permission to talk about that and then went ahead.

[14:44]Usually, you know, after the pod, you usually show us all those pictures.

[14:47]They're all coming from people like you can see the names on the on the phone numbers.

[14:53]That means that those are your buddies.

[14:54]Yeah, you've got their number for that are sending you.

[14:57]And they're in my contacts.

[14:58]I was best friends.

[14:59]Yeah, for sure.

[15:00]Yeah.

[15:00]Oh, we got more this week.

[15:01]We got gifs of girls taking off their socks.

[15:04]I don't show her in this.

[15:05]That's for me.

[15:06]So, yeah, when you from now on, when you leave a voicemail or email, please start off with,

[15:10]hey, foot freak for like how long you've been listening or whatever.

[15:13]You know, first time caller, longtime foot freaker, stuff like that.

[15:16]Rolling going.

[15:17]All right.

[15:17]I have I have a karaoke themed rolling going.

[15:21]So when I edit out all that stuff about the foot freak stuff, that's going to be a.

[15:24]Seamless transition.

[15:25]No big deal.

[15:25]So the other weekend, Jenny and I went out with a couple of dudes who we go out to dinner

[15:32]with a lot.

[15:33]They love to pick fancy restaurants in town.

[15:35]So we've gone to a lot of different kind of nice places in New York.

[15:39]It's kind of our only time we go out to nice restaurants in New York.

[15:41]We went to a restaurant called Chili, which was a Szechuan kind of a spicy chicken fingers,

[15:47]electric lemonades.

[15:48]Chili's is awesome.

[15:49]Baby back ribs.

[15:49]Get that corn.

[15:50]It's a baby back ribs.

[15:51]Baby back, baby back.

[15:53]I want money.

[15:53]Baby back ribs.

[15:54]Baby back, baby back, baby back.

[15:56]Wasn't at the airport.

[15:57]I only eat at fancy places in New York.

[16:00]Great story, Rob.

[16:01]Great rolling going.

[16:02]I never get excited because New York by me now has a Taco Bell cantina, which is a Taco

[16:06]Bell that also serves alcohol, which sounds like my dream come true.

[16:09]Yes.

[16:10]Like, hmm, what to?

[16:11]And then and then I was like, hmm, mix some milk in there and let's give me three things

[16:14]that give me mind bending diarrhea.

[16:15]I think that's a good idea.

[16:16]Is this place that you went to?

[16:18]Is it like McDowell's from coming to America?

[16:21]They're just playing on McDonald's.

[16:23]This is not.

[16:24]This is.

[16:24]Chili, not chili.

[16:25]Is it chili with an apostrophe and then the S on the side is just dark?

[16:30]OK, we've got the baby back ribs.

[16:35]You know what?

[16:36]Actually, I don't like rolling.

[16:38]I like doing my rolling going when you guys are tired and you want to like move on.

[16:41]How were those super fancy jalapeno poppers?

[16:44]Were they everything you were open for?

[16:46]No.

[16:47]OK, so is that chili a fancy place that you guys probably have never even heard of?

[16:52]OK.

[16:52]At the airport.

[16:53]Best place to have.

[16:54]Best place to have a 9 a.m.

[16:55]shot in a beer.

[16:56]You do love.

[16:58]You've mentioned that before that you love having a drink of chilies at the airport.

[17:01]That's a real thing.

[17:02]It's like episode three.

[17:03]I remember you talking.

[17:04]No doubt.

[17:04]Yeah.

[17:05]Some sort of some sort of top it off with some sort of molten lava cake.

[17:08]It's fantastic, right?

[17:09]So after Chinese food, after spicy Chinese food, OK, we make on a Friday night in Koreatown,

[17:16]we make karaoke reservations, right?

[17:18]Jenny goes, listen, I found a place.

[17:20]It's karaoke.

[17:21]Now, karaoke here in New York is a little bit different because you pay.

[17:24]And then you OK, so that's a little different.

[17:27]But you go into a room by yourself with your party.

[17:30]So it was just the four of us in a room by ourselves with a TV.

[17:33]And then it's just nonstop songs, right?

[17:35]You can pick all the songs yourself so you can just you can sing more.

[17:39]It's kind of it's kind of weird because you're not impressing strangers, which might surprise

[17:43]you.

[17:43]That is one of my favorite parts of karaoke.

[17:45]But it's also kind of nice because I can sing like any song I want and then end it.

[17:51]You can end it.

[17:51]It's really key.

[17:52]You can just end it when it gets to that part where you're like, I didn't know this song.

[17:54]Went on so long.

[17:56]So if you're if you're bombing, like we're bombing on this podcast, we can just cut it

[18:00]off and call it the end right now.

[18:01]We can do that.

[18:04]I can play that clip anytime.

[18:07]Can you imagine how happy our friends would be?

[18:11]They're like, is this ready for the rating system?

[18:12]A 20 minute episode.

[18:14]That's like an all he would have had to do was ask nicely at any point the last year

[18:20]and a half.

[18:21]We could have been done.

[18:24]Our friends would be like, our friends would be like, thank God I have to listen to the

[18:29]show because every time I see these guys, they make me talk to them about the podcast

[18:32]and then get mad when they act like we don't.

[18:34]Oh God, all people want to do is talk to me about the podcast.

[18:36]Oh, I don't really want to talk about that.

[18:38]Meanwhile, Russell and I saw each other this weekend.

[18:39]All we talked about was the podcast.

[18:41]Like the two of us.

[18:42]We had a secret podcast talk that you guys were not privy to.

[18:45]So I went to Chili's, went to the karaoke place.

[18:48]However, I knew there was trouble.

[18:50]So first of all, I don't want to blame anybody.

[18:52]Okay.

[18:52]This is not anybody's fault.

[18:54]This could happen.

[18:54]This could happen to anybody.

[18:55]Jenny made the reservations.

[18:56]Jenny made the reservations.

[18:57]Jenny made the reservations.

[18:59]I'm just going to say this right now.

[19:01]There may have been some fine print on the website that she did not look closely at.

[19:04]Okay.

[19:05]Okay.

[19:05]She weren't a transition lenses.

[19:06]Was she reading them outside or inside?

[19:08]I don't think we're allowed to make fun of those.

[19:10]I think Rob's allowed.

[19:11]I don't know if we're allowed to do that, Aaron.

[19:12]But somebody's like, if you're outside in the sunshine trying to read a website, that's

[19:16]tough.

[19:16]I'll edit myself saying, I think it was those transition lenses she couldn't see very well.

[19:20]Then I'll make that joke myself and be very funny.

[19:22]But yes, I think it was a transition lenses.

[19:24]I think the transition lenses were clouding both her vision and her judgment because we

[19:27]went to this place and we get in there, right?

[19:30]We get up there and the person leads us in and all of a sudden is cornering me.

[19:35]She has obviously picked me as the weakest gazelle in the whole herd, has cornered me

[19:39]from the group and says, well, just to let you guys know on Friday, normally it's a $10

[19:44]a person reservation charge for an hour.

[19:46]Okay.

[19:47]But on Fridays you are, you must do a bottle service.

[19:51]Oh, man, you're a bottle service guy.

[19:54]Well, that's what I was like.

[19:55]I was like, I've definitely done bottle service.

[19:58]And then I realized like, no, actually I had other people do bottle service for me.

[20:02]Excuse me, I've been to Chili's.

[20:03]I've already done a ketchup bottle service and a mustard bottle service and three Miller

[20:08]lights, ma'am.

[20:09]So immediately I do what any man in that situation would do.

[20:13]I say, Jenny, can you come over here?

[20:16]They want a bottle.

[20:17]And I totally give up any sort of responsibility.

[20:19]I realized, and I realized that basically I have taken like, if I'm a gazelle, I have

[20:24]a gazelle who's like a slow, I have taken the gazelle who only has two legs and just

[20:28]thrown them to the lions.

[20:29]Like it's Jenny, there's no way if I can't stand up to these people, there's no way Jenny's

[20:33]going to the two people we're with are sitting in the corner kind of looking at us like what's

[20:38]going on.

[20:38]They say, well, there's bottle service.

[20:40]So you have a couple options.

[20:41]You can either get one bottle and it comes with all free mixers and you get, uh, uh,

[20:46]you can have fruit plate or fries, $270 or you can get two bottles fries, obviously.

[20:54]Okay.

[20:54]You guys are missing the point here.

[20:56]These fries are great.

[20:58]Can you upgrade for onion rings for an extra dollar or not?

[21:02]They put some seasoning on them.

[21:03]They're great.

[21:04]What are the dipping sauce options?

[21:06]We say like, what are the other options?

[21:11]They say, well, you can do two bottles for $430.

[21:13]Oh, and I have to say, I was kind of like, I was like, actually, that's a pretty good

[21:17]deal.

[21:17]If you think about it, like what is $270, $2 is $430.

[21:20]You kind of are giving away money.

[21:22]What's $3 now?

[21:22]What were you buying?

[21:23]What were you saving?

[21:24]Oh, they have $430.

[21:24]They had it.

[21:24]They had all the way up thousands of dollars, like champagne and the whole thing.

[21:27]So then that means with your chicken finger basket before your night, what it costs you

[21:32]like 438, 75 plus service charge after nine is half off nine to 11 is half price appetizers.

[21:39]I guarantee if I added up all the money I've spent in chicken figures in my life, it's

[21:43]over a thousand dollars.

[21:43]It has to be counting that St.

[21:46]Olaf tuition.

[21:46]So here's the thing is that of course we both panic and we say, uh, cause it's Friday night,

[21:53]right?

[21:53]We, we've been planning.

[21:54]We've been planning on doing this karaoke.

[21:55]We are excited to do it.

[21:57]If we say no, we're going to get booted out and now there's nothing else to do on a Friday

[22:00]night.

[22:01]This is like, we've been looking forward to karaoke.

[22:02]So what's, you know, okay, so maybe $270.

[22:05]So all of a sudden we are now get a bottle of whiskey.

[22:11]Like it was not that special.

[22:13]And all of a sudden they come in, right?

[22:15]So we're like, all of a sudden we're singing.

[22:17]Of course I'm doing karaoke songs and I'm probably whiskey baby back ribs, right?

[22:20]It was a whiskey glaze.

[22:24]Can you imagine how much, you know, when Applebee's did that stuff, how much whiskey do you think

[22:29]they really used at their barbecue sauce?

[22:31]Do you think they're really one drop?

[22:32]We've spent a hundred thousand dollars on this whiskey.

[22:35]We, this is a terrible idea.

[22:37]Who wanted to do this?

[22:38]You spend more in one bottle at bottle night at the karaoke bar than, than the whole chain

[22:43]spends in whiskey.

[22:45]This is not known as bottle night.

[22:47]Okay.

[22:48]This is not bottle night.

[22:49]This is just a miscommunication by Jenny.

[22:51]Um, so the thing is, is that.

[22:54]Now they run, they now run in and of course, Jenny wants to get the fruit plate.

[22:58]Okay.

[22:58]We don't even get the fries.

[22:59]So what the hell?

[23:01]Worst night of my life.

[23:01]So now you're bottling Jim Beam in a, in a fruit plate.

[23:04]Is it just a bunch of apples?

[23:06]Like it's just the fruit plate is just apples from Jenny's backpack.

[23:09]She's like, I picked these myself.

[23:10]What are those little bags you get with the coffee meals or whatever?

[23:14]She is going to be so mad when I play her select parts of this episode where Aaron is

[23:18]making fun of her.

[23:19]Oh my God.

[23:20]She's going to be furious.

[23:21]So then I, uh,

[23:24]they come in with the bottle, right?

[23:25]And meanwhile, like I'm singing like Katy Perry, you know, uh, fireworks or something.

[23:31]So it's always embarrassing to have people serve you, but I'm replacing a lot of the

[23:34]lyrics with Jenny made us pay $270, right?

[23:36]I'm doing that bit where like making Jenny feel bad on her night out for, uh, tricking

[23:41]us when easily I could have said, Oh no, we're not doing that.

[23:43]But instead I shirked my responsibilities almost immediately.

[23:45]And so they come in bottle is open.

[23:49]They have a firework on top of the bottle that is spraying out sparks, right?

[23:53]So it,

[23:54]they come in, they've got a ice one of those birthday cakes that you get at that Chili's

[23:58]and Applebee's, right?

[23:58]Where they come out with like a little spark.

[24:00]Hey,

[24:08]you guys might be right.

[24:09]This might be like a shutter Island type experience where like, I think we had this great night.

[24:13]And in fact, these are all just separate things that happened at Chili's, but I'm like, well,

[24:17]I can't be paying, you know, four and a half thousand dollars a month in rent and then

[24:21]go to Chili's.

[24:21]Like, that's crazy.

[24:22]I must've done something very fun in New Yorker.

[24:24]But I didn't even get a buzz off all those, those, uh, whiskey wings.

[24:27]Well, so I'll tell you what.

[24:29]So the whiskey comes top is off, right?

[24:31]They take the firework, they leave.

[24:33]Jenny has six shots of this whiskey and says, it says, I don't feel anything.

[24:39]I don't think.

[24:40]And I realized that not only did they give us a bottle of whiskey, it is watered down

[24:45]to like a fourth.

[24:46]So then can I, can I, I gotta pause you though, Rob.

[24:50]Why?

[24:50]I mean, sure.

[24:52]Go ahead.

[24:52]Is it possible?

[24:53]Is it possible?

[24:54]I meant to say, okay.

[24:56]Is it possible that you guys noticed the top was off when it came in and then convinced

[25:00]yourself, Hey, they'd done something for this.

[25:02]So you're going into it, convincing yourself.

[25:05]They've done something to it before you've ever had a drink of it.

[25:07]Oh, well, there were, I can tell you for a fact, there was definitely some whiskey in

[25:10]there.

[25:10]Like there was some, but I I'm telling you, Jenny had six shots and she didn't feel anything

[25:15]like that's unheard of.

[25:16]She's a congratulations to everyone on this podcast for hearing about the top being off

[25:20]so many times and not making a top is off joke.

[25:22]Really?

[25:24]Mature stuff, guys.

[25:25]This is, we're really gunning for that NPR audience.

[25:28]So sure enough, I listen, I know that there was, there was some alcohol, but it was definitely

[25:32]watered down.

[25:32]So now we're, we're on the hook for two 70.

[25:36]At least we have an hour of karaoke.

[25:38]So I'm, we're doing a Aerosmith, we're doing Nicki Minaj and I know all the rap parts we're

[25:43]doing and we're actually having a great time.

[25:44]Like it's fun and we're having drinks and we're like, Hey, listen to 70.

[25:47]Like we can, we can swing that.

[25:49]It's not going to be a big deal.

[25:50]Bring it.

[25:52]They, we asked for some diet Coke as a mixer.

[25:53]Cause all the mixers are gone.

[25:54]They're free.

[25:54]Of course, that's definitely not going to change later in the story.

[25:56]And so we, we are there and they, they come in and they say, do you want more than an

[26:02]hour?

[26:02]And we say, absolutely not.

[26:03]When an hour's up, let us know.

[26:04]We'll be done.

[26:05]They leave for 15 minutes.

[26:07]Next thing I know, we've easily been there an hour and a half.

[26:11]No doubt about it.

[26:12]Like hour and a half.

[26:13]So I go, listen, I do what guys got to do.

[26:17]Sometimes, sometimes you got to stick up and you got to say enough is enough.

[26:20]I'm not going to get scammed.

[26:21]And so I said to Jenny, Hey, go out there and

[26:24]talk to these guys and figure out why we haven't been kicked out of this room yet.

[26:29]And she's out there for like 10 minutes.

[26:31]Meanwhile, you know, I'm hitting, you know, it was a really fun karaoke song was a Weezer

[26:37]Buddy Holly.

[26:38]It was a great song.

[26:39]There's a lot of harmony in there.

[26:40]Yeah.

[26:40]Good choice.

[26:41]So Jenny is, Jenny's out there arguing with the people because it turns out that because

[26:47]we stayed in there, they said, okay, listen, we'll charge you.

[26:49]Here's the bill.

[26:50]It's for two hours.

[26:51]So that two 70.

[26:54]By the time we got the bill with taxes, they charged us.

[26:58]They wanted to charge us for two hours.

[27:00]They said, oh no, we'll knock it down to an hour and a half.

[27:02]Jay said, no, they knocked it down to an hour.

[27:04]So they're still charging us $10 a person plus the two 70.

[27:08]Then they tried to charge us for our mixers.

[27:10]And Jenny said, no, we're not paying for the mixers.

[27:11]You said you weren't then with taxes and fees turned into a $485 bill.

[27:18]So I think there was some of those service charges in there, Russell, for sure.

[27:21]And that was with tip included.

[27:24]And so I was already in there then, at least, you know, what you're paying.

[27:27]So, so how does it work when you get a bill like this?

[27:29]You and your friends, did they sign up for something like this or now are they on the

[27:33]hook for half of it or how does it work?

[27:35]Well, so like that, we just, we just gave him the card.

[27:37]We were like, okay, listen to somehow this $40 night went from $40 to literally 10 times

[27:45]the cost.

[27:46]It went to $485.

[27:47]It was an insane expense for an hour and a half of singing the dumbest karaoke songs

[27:52]you've ever heard in your life.

[27:54]So we, uh, went home and we protested the bill with American express and we paid him

[27:58]40 bucks.

[27:58]That's it.

[27:59]We didn't have to pay any of the rest of the bill.

[28:00]We called American express and we said, Hey, this was a scam because it was, it's a soft

[28:05]scam.

[28:06]It's not like a scam of like, Oh, I gotta, I gotta stop you.

[28:09]This is kind of bullshit.

[28:10]You guys could have easily walked away when they told you the deal.

[28:14]This is bad.

[28:15]I like this.

[28:16]This is Rob's Aaron Rogers.

[28:18]I'm I'm immunized, but not vaccinated moment.

[28:20]What the heck?

[28:21]You guys went in.

[28:22]They told you clearly what the deal was.

[28:24]And you could have easily said, no, you drank their, you drank their liquor.

[28:28]Absolutely.

[28:28]That's an empty bottle guys.

[28:30]I am kind of a Christ figure in the story.

[28:33]Okay.

[28:33]I'm actually a hero for thinking of not paying, not asking American express to not pay for

[28:39]this.

[28:39]This was a scam.

[28:40]We went in expecting to pay for it.

[28:42]Listen, we still paid him 40 bucks and they said, this is the deal.

[28:45]You didn't read the agreement.

[28:46]And then you said, okay, we agree to the deal.

[28:49]We're going to come in anyways.

[28:50]No, we, so I would even pay.

[28:52]I would have even paid two 70.

[28:53]Okay.

[28:54]But they then still did the tent, the reservation and all that stuff.

[28:58]And they watered down the drink.

[28:59]Russell enough is no wonder.

[29:00]No wonder I've got to pay 22% service fees because fucking assholes like you don't pay

[29:05]anything when you go and shit.

[29:07]Oh, 400 bucks.

[29:08]No wonder people aren't making a living wage.

[29:10]How many entry-level analysts at American express got laid off to pay for Rob's

[29:14]Rob's protested charge every time.

[29:19]Like I refuse to feel bad.

[29:20]Every time you protested charge, they just say like, Oh, Nope.

[29:22]That we just laid off another 10 people.

[29:24]If it just started last week, that's it.

[29:26]Did you, did you protest your Chili's bill too, or not like the 29 95?

[29:30]Did you protest that one too, or not?

[29:32]I thought we were going to get mozzarella sticks and onion rings on the appetizer sampler.

[29:36]We only got one.

[29:38]I'm not paying for it.

[29:39]I mean, we probably do need to do an entire episode on Russell's extensive knowledge of

[29:43]the Chili's menu and prices.

[29:45]We need to hear more about this.

[29:47]I do say that Russell though, it has, I did see him write downs on it and said, call American

[29:53]express R E.

[29:54]Rolling stones shirts.

[29:55]Can I, can I just say like the last few years of my dating life has been a complete disaster

[30:01]and get my money back for all charges.

[30:03]Worth a try, man.

[30:06]If you think Rob is right for canceling the American express charges and kind of a hero.

[30:11]Okay.

[30:11]Uh, text in Rob is a hero to two one eight.

[30:14]Uh, what was it again?

[30:16]Oh, eight Oh two.

[30:17]Oh, Rob's going to give his personal number.

[30:20]Oh, that's I'll get it edited out.

[30:22]Eight Oh two.

[30:24]Two seven, seven Beck.

[30:25]Okay.

[30:25]Rob is a hero.

[30:26]If you think I did the right thing.

[30:27]Uh, if you think Rob was wrong, texting Aaron is a loser.

[30:31]Aaron is a loser to eight Oh two, two seven, seven Beck.

[30:34]If you think Rob was wrong.

[30:35]And I know that might be tempting.

[30:36]You want to text an Aaron's a loser, put Aaron is a loser exclamation point.

[30:39]If you're just texting it in unrelated to this story.

[30:41]If I got to say, I'm going to say this directly to all our listeners out there.

[30:45]If you think Rob is right in this, you are a dumb shit and you can just stop following

[30:49]us and stop listening.

[30:50]We don't need you.

[30:51]You can still download.

[30:52]You just don't have to listen.

[30:53]Just go ahead and download.

[30:54]Download, but don't listen.

[30:54]Listen, I'm a, I'm, I'm a hero of the story.

[30:57]Russell rolling going.

[30:58]How's it going with you?

[30:59]Well, fuck.

[31:01]I went out to New York and spent a bunch of money and now I feel like I shouldn't have

[31:04]had to pay any of it.

[31:05]So I was out.

[31:08]I did actually, I was out in New York for work.

[31:11]I ended up meeting up with Rob and Jenny for a night, but one of the things I got a kick

[31:14]out of this on the way out there, I was on a flight and I've complained about flights

[31:18]before I had two amazing flights.

[31:21]Have you guys ever been on flights that are like a quarter full?

[31:24]You're not sitting next to anyone.

[31:25]Is there anything better than a flight that's less than half full?

[31:28]No.

[31:29]Fantastic.

[31:30]That's a lot of Russell time.

[31:31]Just do what you want.

[31:32]That's that's so good.

[31:34]Did you do the lie across all the seats?

[31:36]Like just strap up the middle seatbelt and take a little nappy nap.

[31:38]I did not do that, but there was a guy, a few seats in front of me and he was getting

[31:43]into some disagreement with the flight attendant.

[31:45]And at some point she just kept kind of telling him about something.

[31:48]I don't know what he was doing or putting up in an overhead bin, but she kept saying

[31:52]like, no, no, you can't do that.

[31:53]And then finally shit.

[31:54]She said, listen, sir, these are the rules.

[31:57]They are not my rules.

[31:58]They are the rules.

[32:00]And then she looked at him and he was wearing kind of like a camouflage jacket.

[32:03]And she goes, do you follow the rules when you're hunting, sir?

[32:05]Well, then you can follow the rules when you're on the plate.

[32:08]And I was like, good for you.

[32:09]That is bad ass.

[32:10]I like that.

[32:11]Yes.

[32:12]Meanwhile, he pulls out a giant elephant tusk and he's like, uh, uh, uh, switch a

[32:17]room.

[32:17]Russell all off, all off and like, you know, they, they, they, they, they, they

[32:24]ran me to the front.

[32:24]Right.

[32:24]So everybody wants to be in.

[32:25]And then if you look to the back, sometimes these guys, that's where all the

[32:29]empty seats are at.

[32:30]Right.

[32:30]And I have a number of occasions and like, can I just go sit back there?

[32:34]And they're like, yeah, have at it.

[32:35]And you go back there, you get a whole row to yourself.

[32:36]So, you know, pro tip, just take a look to the back of the plane every once in

[32:40]a while.

[32:41]You probably see some empty rows.

[32:42]Have you ever taken an empty row and then put on all three movies at one time?

[32:47]Right.

[32:47]So you're watching all three movies on the three different seats and then you

[32:50]find nude scenes in all different movies and then pause it on all three TVs.

[32:54]So just Rob has done that?

[32:58]Every time the attendants walk by, they're looking at you, just looking at

[33:01]three like nude scenes from different movies, pause, like they're just paused.

[33:05]Yeah, they're just paused.

[33:07]So you're just staring at them and you do that the whole flight still life.

[33:10]Like this is art.

[33:11]Yeah.

[33:13]And then you're drawing, but you're not drawing that.

[33:14]You're just drawing a huge boner.

[33:16]Like you're not even drawing the scene.

[33:17]You're just drawing something totally different.

[33:19]Guys think about it.

[33:20]I don't fly as much as you guys, but I think that's a good idea.

[33:23]Hey, Rob, can you put me on the plane?

[33:24]You got to take your earphones out.

[33:26]I got to talk to these guys.

[33:26]I will.

[33:27]Guys, we've taken too much time between episodes.

[33:31]Again, we have to get, we have to start going a little bit more regularly.

[33:35]So Rob can get all this stuff out.

[33:37]Too much.

[33:38]It's just, it's overload today.

[33:40]I know.

[33:41]It's like when you wait too long and then it hits the wall and you're like,

[33:43]Oh, that was, that was too much.

[33:44]Too many days between.

[33:46]Between what, Rosie?

[33:48]You get it.

[33:49]Rob, you're good.

[33:52]Rob.

[33:53]Rob.

[33:53]Rob, come out.

[33:55]Come on back, Rob.

[33:56]All right.

[33:56]I'm back.

[33:57]What were you guys talking about?

[33:58]I'm sure good things about me.

[34:00]We're calling you an asshole for not paying that bill.

[34:02]Guys, you can do it with everything.

[34:06]I'm doing it every day now.

[34:07]It's fun.

[34:07]It's fun to call America Express.

[34:09]So I was in New York before, before the first night I got there.

[34:13]I actually, I found a cool restaurant to go to.

[34:15]It was the restaurant that chef Tom Colicchio, the main guy on top chef,

[34:18]actually became famous at.

[34:20]It was called Gramercy Tavern.

[34:21]And I went there, Matt, and I got something.

[34:23]You know what I mean?

[34:23]It was a meatloaf, a duck meatloaf.

[34:28]And I was like, Matt is the meatloaf guy.

[34:30]He will get a kick out of this.

[34:31]And how was it?

[34:32]I want to do anything for duck.

[34:34]The duck meatloaf was great.

[34:37]And so I was actually going to go meet a friend that lived out in New York

[34:41]because Rob had said, hey, we had planned to meet on Tuesday,

[34:44]but he had texted me earlier in the day on Sunday and said, hey,

[34:46]if we could meet up and watch the Vikings game at some point.

[34:49]And so this is at, you know, six o'clock or something.

[34:51]We can tell all of our stories from the weekend.

[34:53]I mean, we can skip it.

[34:53]So we have a tentative plan to meet up at eight.

[34:56]And then I get a text from Rob and he bailed on me.

[34:58]He bailed on me because I think he had had too much fun during Halloween

[35:02]with his kids earlier in the day.

[35:04]Rob, too many Snickers.

[35:05]Or maybe this, I get, you know, now that I think about it,

[35:08]maybe he just couldn't afford to go out because he hadn't gotten that bill cleared.

[35:11]It's all clear.

[35:14]Rob, you bailed on me.

[35:15]What happened?

[35:16]Why did you bail on me?

[35:17]We set up a table outside as my community does for Halloween.

[35:20]And I was giving out candy.

[35:21]And it's just one of those things, you know, you're giving out candy.

[35:23]And you get way, way, way too drunk while you're doing it by accident.

[35:27]Okay.

[35:28]And it's not even your fault because kind of other people who are handing out candy,

[35:30]maybe brought too much whiskey with them.

[35:32]And because you got nervous handing out candy, you drank it the whole time.

[35:35]And by the end, you were way too drunk to see your friend who had flown in from Minnesota.

[35:39]And I could just go down there and see him and hang out.

[35:41]But instead I did that classic gag.

[35:43]So anyways, I ended up kind of exploring a little bit in New York that night.

[35:48]I went to my conference the next day.

[35:49]And then I decided I needed to go check out a sporting event in New York.

[35:52]I went to Madison Square Garden.

[35:53]For the first time, I saw a Knicks game.

[35:55]The world's most famous arena.

[35:57]Have you guys ever been to MSG before?

[35:59]I have not been.

[35:59]One time.

[36:00]I have not been.

[36:01]What did you see there, Aaron?

[36:02]I saw Knicks Hawks back in 2006 or 2007 when Gallinari was made.

[36:08]I think Gallinari made like five threes.

[36:10]It was very fun.

[36:11]Wow.

[36:12]What an exciting game.

[36:13]You've been for some sporting events.

[36:15]Rob, have you ever seen a concert at MSG or not?

[36:17]I saw Elton John there.

[36:19]I saw Adele there.

[36:21]You know, no big deal.

[36:23]Just kind of.

[36:23]My average day in New York when I'm not drinking too much hand-in-out candy

[36:26]or going to karaoke bars and then not paying the bill.

[36:28]Or Chili's.

[36:31]So the Knicks game was fun.

[36:33]But one of the coolest things about being in Madison Square Garden,

[36:36]Rob, you would have known this, but I didn't know they did this.

[36:38]But did you guys know that Billy Joel actually has a retired jersey

[36:42]in Madison Square Garden?

[36:43]So they've got like Mark Messier's jersey, Patrick Ewing's jersey,

[36:46]like all the famous Knicks and Rangers that have played there,

[36:48]all the retired jerseys.

[36:50]And Billy Joel has a retired jersey with the number 73,

[36:53]up in the rafters.

[36:55]Oh, number 73.

[36:57]So many, many years ago, he got like the number 12 retired

[37:01]because he had like 12 sold-out shows which beat Springsteen's record

[37:05]at Madison Square Garden, like 12 days or whatever.

[37:08]And so it turns out he was doing like a monthly show at MSG,

[37:12]which stopped during the pandemic.

[37:13]And I think he just did one last night.

[37:15]But he's sold out 73 consecutive monthly shows

[37:19]if you take out the pandemic.

[37:20]So that was just amazing.

[37:22]And then when I was leaving,

[37:23]I got to see,

[37:24]they have the piano that he had his 100th sold-out performance ever

[37:28]at Madison Square Garden,

[37:29]like in a case out in front of MSG.

[37:32]It was really cool.

[37:33]So that was really awesome.

[37:34]When do we get to Billy Joel on the list?

[37:35]Not to like the 200s maybe?

[37:37]It's got to be.

[37:39]Songs in the Attic or The Stranger got to be on there, right?

[37:42]Sorry, I don't mean to derail the podcast.

[37:44]No, it was fun.

[37:45]But I will be stoked when we get to Billy Joel.

[37:47]Knicks game was fun.

[37:48]Billy Joel, seeing all that stuff was cool.

[37:50]But then I finally, Rob finally sobered up.

[37:52]He got his refund.

[37:53]He got his refund from American Express.

[37:54]And so I went and met Rob and Jenny.

[37:56]And we had a very nice dinner.

[37:58]We went to a champagne bar.

[38:01]They took me to Washington Square Park,

[38:03]which is kind of down by NYU.

[38:04]It was really fun.

[38:06]And then we went to a champagne bar,

[38:08]which was nice.

[38:08]Then we went to a comedy club.

[38:10]And I was told that Al Franken,

[38:13]the former Minnesota senator,

[38:14]was going to be the headliner at this club.

[38:16]We get to the club.

[38:18]We're sitting there.

[38:18]We're having a great time.

[38:19]All the comics are really funny.

[38:21]It's a great show.

[38:21]Really cool bar.

[38:22]Thanks, Rob.

[38:23]And Jenny for taking me there.

[38:24]And then at the end, gets there.

[38:26]This woman goes up, does her set.

[38:27]Show's over.

[38:28]No Al Franken.

[38:29]He just no-showed.

[38:30]What was the deal, Rob?

[38:31]I heard he resigned.

[38:33]Okay.

[38:34]And everybody said,

[38:35]well, maybe it's not a good idea

[38:36]that you resigned from doing the show.

[38:37]And he was like, actually, I probably should.

[38:38]And then it turns out it's maybe a bad idea

[38:40]that he did that.

[38:40]But yeah, he was not there.

[38:42]So we did not get to hear the humor of Al Franken

[38:45]reprise such great characters as Pat.

[38:48]Who would want to see him do Pat in today's atmosphere?

[38:51]I think that'd be so good.

[38:52]I was really excited.

[38:53]Because I saw that picture of you guys

[38:55]and I recognized the champagne you were drinking

[38:56]from the label.

[38:57]But no one should be concerned

[38:59]about the amount of champagne that I consume in my house.

[39:01]That's like me handing out Halloween candy.

[39:04]Be like, ooh, that's a very fine vintage.

[39:06]I like that butter maker.

[39:06]And Aaron's doing that with champagne bottles.

[39:09]My God.

[39:09]But now I got to ask, Rob.

[39:11]One, we could have just gone to Chili's

[39:14]if I would have known this was up here in Jenny's alley.

[39:15]We could have saved some money.

[39:17]It's true.

[39:17]But then second, now I'm wondering,

[39:19]because I think when we were there,

[39:20]we kind of split bills.

[39:22]We took turns buying drinks.

[39:23]We split bills the whole time or whatever.

[39:24]But now I'm wondering,

[39:25]did you guys pay anything for this night, Rob?

[39:28]Or were you just on the house?

[39:30]He's just out there on American Express is done.

[39:33]We would, no.

[39:34]Don't leave home without it.

[39:36]When I get a fair thing,

[39:38]a fair treatment and a fair,

[39:40]then I pay it.

[39:40]When I get scammed, I don't pay it

[39:42]because I am smart.

[39:43]I'm kind of like Einstein level smart,

[39:45]like super smart.

[39:46]But guys, I'll tell you,

[39:47]Russell, if you want to have somebody

[39:48]visit your hometown,

[39:49]Russell is one of the greatest guests

[39:52]you could possibly have

[39:53]come visit you.

[39:54]He is so good.

[39:55]When you have been married to somebody

[39:56]for a long time,

[39:59]listen, going out with them,

[40:00]sometimes you just start having drinks

[40:01]and you're just looking at each other

[40:02]and you're like,

[40:02]I don't want to talk about the kids.

[40:04]I don't want to talk about powerlifting anymore.

[40:06]Russell is there to save the day.

[40:08]He, once again,

[40:09]it was like going on a date with Russell.

[40:10]It was so fun.

[40:11]He is such a great conversationalist.

[40:13]It was a lot of fun.

[40:14]Thank you guys for taking me out.

[40:16]Everyone should invite,

[40:17]all of our listeners should invite

[40:18]Russell to their town.

[40:19]It will make you see your own town

[40:21]in a new light.

[40:22]Agree with Rob.

[40:23]Yeah, I will say, Aaron,

[40:26]do you want to come out sometime to New York?

[40:28]Well, I'll take you to the Comedy Cellar.

[40:29]You're the only guy who hasn't been with me.

[40:31]I'm going to do it.

[40:31]I'm going to be there.

[40:32]I'm so busy.

[40:33]I just have so much stuff going on.

[40:34]I'm kind of packed.

[40:36]Sorry, Aaron.

[40:37]I'm just like,

[40:37]oh, is it Halloween?

[40:38]Oh, I can't quite do it.

[40:41]It's far too late for this,

[40:42]but the point I wanted to make last week

[40:44]in last week's episode

[40:45]that I forgot to make,

[40:46]which was the crowd noise

[40:48]and the crowd interaction

[40:50]in the James Brown show

[40:51]was like the opposite of a heckler.

[40:53]We talked about like,

[40:54]you don't go to a comedy show

[40:55]to hear a heckler heckle.

[40:56]Yeah, but the crowd

[40:57]giving it to James Brown

[40:59]and James Brown giving it back

[41:00]and them cheering him on.

[41:01]Like, that's what you want to hear.

[41:02]Like the kind of crowd

[41:03]you want to be a part of,

[41:04]which is why I want to be

[41:05]a part of this podcast.

[41:06]It's a, it's a, you know,

[41:07]positive environment.

[41:08]Everybody cheering each other on.

[41:10]Speaking of positive environment,

[41:11]I'm excited to hear

[41:12]about your role in going here.

[41:13]And so, hey, Matt,

[41:15]role in going,

[41:15]how's it going with you?

[41:16]Please, please, please tell us, Matt.

[41:20]Pretty good.

[41:22]You know, I think I,

[41:23]I've, I've started growing

[41:24]as a, as a, as a parent.

[41:27]One of the most stressful,

[41:30]the most stressful,

[41:31]like five minutes

[41:32]of my life that I figured out

[41:35]is after swimming lessons,

[41:37]when you got to get the kids

[41:38]out of their suits

[41:40]into regular clothes and,

[41:41]and going because six year olds,

[41:44]they can't get their pants on.

[41:46]Grease lightning too, right?

[41:47]You're trying to help.

[41:47]Forget it.

[41:48]Yeah.

[41:48]You're trying to help all this stuff.

[41:49]So I figured it out.

[41:50]I figured out the best thing to do.

[41:51]And you're trying to show them

[41:53]how to use it.

[41:53]You got to use the air dryers

[41:53]in the locker room, you know?

[41:55]Yeah, exactly.

[41:56]No down there.

[41:58]No up, up.

[41:58]Yeah.

[41:58]You got to put the leg up high.

[42:00]Yeah.

[42:00]You got to get some,

[42:02]you got a little bend in there.

[42:04]You got to get a little lean.

[42:05]Yeah.

[42:05]You guys play parachute at school, right?

[42:07]You know what this is like.

[42:08]No, but so I figured I just,

[42:10]just set the clothes out

[42:12]and just shove the kids

[42:13]in the locker room.

[42:14]Just say, you guys figured out

[42:15]I'll be out here when you're done.

[42:16]Let me know when you're done.

[42:17]And so it was the greatest thing,

[42:19]you know?

[42:19]And so instead of stressing

[42:20]about being, you know,

[42:21]guys, we got to get out.

[42:22]Let's get, let's move.

[42:23]Let's move.

[42:23]Let's go.

[42:24]I'll just sit out there

[42:25]and I'll just wait 10 minutes

[42:26]and go.

[42:27]So I don't know.

[42:28]My daughter does swim meets now, right?

[42:30]And so we have to wait for her

[42:31]to come out afterwards.

[42:32]And it's the worst

[42:34]because one time we were,

[42:35]we waited like 25 minutes

[42:37]after she was done swimming,

[42:38]did not come out of the locker room,

[42:39]did not come out of the locker room.

[42:40]Finally, she sauntered slowly out.

[42:41]And I was like,

[42:42]what are you doing?

[42:43]We've been waiting out here forever.

[42:44]We want to go.

[42:45]We got to catch a train, blah, blah, blah.

[42:46]She's like, oh, they had a sauna.

[42:48]So I went and sat in the sauna

[42:48]for like 10 minutes.

[42:49]Then I took a nice long shower

[42:50]and I was like,

[42:51]God, you're just like me.

[42:52]This is the worst thing possible.

[42:54]This is terrible.

[42:54]Relaxing while people are waiting for you.

[42:57]Absolutely ridiculous.

[42:58]Power move.

[42:59]So no, I've decided

[43:02]there's times in life

[43:04]to kind of get angry

[43:05]and there's other times

[43:06]to just throw the kids

[43:08]into a locker room

[43:10]and then just sit outside

[43:12]and smell the roses

[43:13]and just enjoy the nice sunny day.

[43:14]But what's the time limit, Matt?

[43:15]Like if they hit a 25 minute mark,

[43:17]are you marching in there

[43:18]and using your dad voice

[43:19]or?

[43:19]There's got to be a time limit, right?

[43:20]No, it's not so much the time limit

[43:23]as this is just

[43:24]there's so many other people around, right?

[43:26]And that's my and that's my

[43:27]that's my that's on me.

[43:29]Like, I just I can't stand

[43:31]with people, you know,

[43:32]like if you're walking down

[43:33]a hallway, right?

[43:34]Like stay to the fucking

[43:36]right side of the road, right?

[43:37]Don't walk to the left.

[43:38]Things like that.

[43:38]Things like that.

[43:39]So just as long

[43:42]as they're being somewhat

[43:43]respectful of other people

[43:44]and of other people's,

[43:46]you know, space

[43:47]and staying out of the way

[43:48]and hold the door open,

[43:49]things like, you know,

[43:50]I don't know.

[43:50]So that's what I just need

[43:52]to go outside.

[43:52]Just let it all happen

[43:54]because it's not a big deal

[43:55]that everybody else

[43:56]has got their kids

[43:57]or got the same issues going on.

[43:59]Nobody holds the doors.

[44:00]Nobody's, you know,

[44:01]everybody's getting

[44:01]everybody's way.

[44:02]And so, no, I'm just

[44:03]a new lease on life, guys.

[44:05]New approach.

[44:06]If you want more space

[44:07]in a men's locker room,

[44:08]I highly recommend

[44:10]having two daughters

[44:11]and bringing them into change

[44:12]during swimming.

[44:13]Guys, grown men who are naked

[44:16]will get out of that section

[44:17]of the locker room

[44:18]almost immediately when

[44:19]they see two young girls walk in.

[44:20]They will run away

[44:21]and you have the whole area

[44:22]to yourself.

[44:22]It's great.

[44:23]And it's good parenting.

[44:24]I wish the whole world

[44:30]could see Russell's face right now.

[44:32]That is absolutely

[44:34]the highlight of this podcast.

[44:36]I'm telling you,

[44:36]I would weaponize them.

[44:38]They were like my shields.

[44:38]I told you,

[44:40]did I ever tell you guys

[44:41]about the time when I,

[44:42]somebody stole my phone

[44:43]from Goodwill?

[44:44]Did I ever tell you about that?

[44:45]I was in Goodwill.

[44:47]What did you give it

[44:47]to Goodwill for?

[44:48]I was in Goodwill while,

[44:49]yeah, my kids did.

[44:49]So I was in Goodwill

[44:50]looking for clothes as I do.

[44:51]And of course,

[44:52]the girls want to look at the toys.

[44:53]So I said, okay.

[44:53]And the other girl

[44:54]wanted to use my phone

[44:54]and watch videos.

[44:55]I said, okay,

[44:55]get back in the car.

[44:57]I said, hey,

[44:57]give me my phone back.

[44:58]She goes, I don't have the phone.

[44:59]I said, well, where's the phone?

[45:00]She goes, I think I left it

[45:01]in Goodwill.

[45:02]So I go in there, right?

[45:03]Not in the toy aisle, gone.

[45:05]So of course I go home,

[45:07]get on my computer,

[45:08]do the find my iPhone.

[45:09]It's at somewhere

[45:11]totally different.

[45:11]It's at a house, right?

[45:13]So I go, girls,

[45:14]I'm by myself.

[45:16]Jenny's at work.

[45:16]So I'm like, girls,

[45:17]get in the car.

[45:18]We're going.

[45:19]And meanwhile,

[45:19]my girls are like seven and five,

[45:21]right?

[45:21]So they're tiny.

[45:22]So I get in the car.

[45:23]This is for like,

[45:24]looking back now,

[45:25]this is for like an iPhone four.

[45:26]This would be worth

[45:27]approximately $2 right now.

[45:29]You go out

[45:29]and you get that fucking phone.

[45:31]So I went there,

[45:32]pull up the house,

[45:33]cars all out in the front lawn,

[45:37]fenced in area, you know?

[45:38]So I come in,

[45:40]I'm like,

[45:40]what am I going to do?

[45:42]Because I know my phone

[45:43]is in this house,

[45:44]but I don't know.

[45:44]So I put,

[45:46]I put my seven-year-old

[45:47]in front of me

[45:47]because I'm like,

[45:48]okay, well,

[45:48]if something bad happens,

[45:49]I don't want them

[45:50]to grow up without me.

[45:51]So I'm going to put them in front.

[45:52]So we're all in it together.

[45:53]You know what I mean?

[45:54]Like once again,

[45:55]just like I tossed

[45:56]the waitress to my wife,

[45:57]I used my,

[45:58]I put both kids in front of me

[45:59]and they came out

[46:00]and they,

[46:01]and I said,

[46:01]excuse me,

[46:02]did you pick up a phone

[46:03]from Goodwill?

[46:03]And the guy goes,

[46:04]oh,

[46:05]oh yeah,

[46:07]oh yeah,

[46:08]oh yeah,

[46:08]let me get it.

[46:09]And I,

[46:10]and he gives it back to me.

[46:12]No case.

[46:12]Case is God.

[46:13]And I said,

[46:14]where's the case?

[46:15]And he goes,

[46:15]oh,

[46:15]we threw it away.

[46:16]And I go,

[46:16]whatever.

[46:17]And I walked away.

[46:17]I felt so tough.

[46:18]But looking back,

[46:19]I'm like,

[46:19]oh,

[46:19]he could have easily

[46:20]just come out and been like,

[46:21]no,

[46:21]I'm going to beat you up now.

[46:22]You're on my property.

[46:22]And I,

[46:23]my kids would have had to watch me

[46:24]get beaten up by a phone thief

[46:26]in Goodwill.

[46:26]So that story was worth the time.

[46:27]Aaron,

[46:28]rolling going.

[46:29]Oh my God,

[46:29]Aaron's last.

[46:30]This is a disaster.

[46:31]This is last.

[46:31]This is poor planning on my part.

[46:32]I'm last.

[46:33]And this is,

[46:34]yeah,

[46:34]I mean,

[46:34]so this week is important to me.

[46:37]So I'm going to say,

[46:37]I've got a parenting rolling going also.

[46:39]And Matt and I,

[46:40]this week are maybe last.

[46:41]And sometimes when you're last,

[46:42]you're first.

[46:43]And sometimes when you're first or last,

[46:44]you're actually in the middle,

[46:46]Aaron.

[46:46]Think about it.

[46:47]See,

[46:48]this is the kind of wisdom

[46:50]that I come here for.

[46:50]I used,

[46:51]I used to go to John Coltrane for this,

[46:52]but now I come to you guys,

[46:53]Matt and I might be the yin and yang

[46:55]of the parenting on this podcast.

[46:56]But so as you guys know,

[46:57]this is called my penis.

[46:59]Sorry.

[46:59]This episode is my Superbowl,

[47:01]just like voodoo was my Superbowl

[47:04]and Wu-Tang was my Superbowl

[47:05]and White Album was my Superbowl.

[47:06]That's the thing, Aaron.

[47:07]We don't have much time

[47:07]to talk about the music.

[47:08]We got to get through it

[47:09]like in five minutes.

[47:09]Sorry about that.

[47:10]That's our ban.

[47:10]Six minutes.

[47:11]Love this album.

[47:13]And as we referenced earlier,

[47:15]it's been about eight days

[47:16]since we recorded.

[47:17]So that,

[47:17]that means I got to listen

[47:18]to Love Supreme every day

[47:20]for a week,

[47:20]multiple times a day.

[47:21]Also,

[47:22]the new live version came out,

[47:23]which we're going to discuss.

[47:24]So all week,

[47:25]I just wanted to be more

[47:26]like John Coltrane,

[47:27]who we know was,

[47:29]wanted to be a saint

[47:30]and by all accounts

[47:31]was a wonderful man,

[47:32]very patient with everyone.

[47:33]So that was my goal all week.

[47:36]But on Thursday,

[47:38]for reasons I may or may not

[47:39]get into later,

[47:40]we had a terrible,

[47:42]terrible pickup from daycare.

[47:44]I picked up my son.

[47:44]Everything was going wrong.

[47:46]Now,

[47:48]let me ask you,

[47:49]did you try yelling at them

[47:50]and then apologizing to them later?

[47:51]I think that's a great move.

[47:52]I've used it a number of times.

[47:53]First thing,

[47:54]I walk in to pick him up.

[47:55]He ran straight up

[47:56]and punched me in the nuts.

[47:57]So that's off to a bad start.

[48:00]Like on purpose

[48:01]or was it supposed to be a hug

[48:02]or what was it?

[48:03]Unclear, unclear

[48:03]because he does get kind of stoked.

[48:05]And so like he gets

[48:05]a little bit crunk.

[48:06]Pick up time.

[48:07]So like,

[48:07]I don't know,

[48:08]but like ran up

[48:09]and punched me in the nuts.

[48:10]So off to a bad start.

[48:10]Now,

[48:11]was this a punch in the nuts?

[48:13]Was it a down,

[48:14]like bend over punch in the nuts

[48:15]or is it one where it's like,

[48:16]oh,

[48:17]this is going to hurt

[48:17]in about 30 seconds

[48:18]or is it just kind of

[48:19]a glancing blow,

[48:20]but it still doesn't look good.

[48:21]It was a glancing blow,

[48:22]but it was like,

[48:22]it was like a shot across the bow.

[48:24]It was like the kind where like,

[48:25]I knew like,

[48:25]okay,

[48:26]the next half hour of my life

[48:27]is not going to be easy.

[48:28]So right.

[48:29]Yeah.

[48:30]So from there,

[48:30]from there,

[48:31]we're trying to leave.

[48:32]Another family comes in.

[48:34]We're going to chat

[48:34]about life in general.

[48:36]And he takes off

[48:37]down the street

[48:37]out the,

[48:38]out the door,

[48:39]which is in like

[48:39]a residential neighborhood,

[48:40]but still he's four.

[48:41]He goes running down the street.

[48:43]He's hiding behind a bush

[48:44]on the street.

[48:45]I finally,

[48:46]you know,

[48:46]and I'm trying not to be hysterical dad.

[48:48]And you don't want to get close.

[48:49]I mean,

[48:49]you just got hit in the testicles already.

[48:51]You don't want to have to keep your distance.

[48:53]Yeah.

[48:53]So I,

[48:55]you know,

[48:55]I try to play it cool,

[48:56]but he's like,

[48:56]he's trying to escalate.

[48:57]I can see he's trying to escalate.

[48:58]He eventually picks up some rocks,

[49:00]throws those at me.

[49:01]And then like,

[49:01]I eventually have to wrestle him

[49:03]into the car seat

[49:04]in front of the daycare.

[49:05]So of course,

[49:06]the preschool.

[49:06]So of course I'm looking around.

[49:08]And he did toss Aaron around

[49:09]for 10 minutes.

[49:10]That's the part Aaron's missing

[49:11]is that he did beat up Aaron

[49:12]for about 10 minutes

[49:13]until Aaron finally has

[49:14]a little more aerobic endurance

[49:15]and had the upper hand.

[49:16]Look at that.

[49:17]Just sitting back and laughing

[49:18]knowing his kids are past this age.

[49:20]Look at him just sitting back,

[49:21]relaxing,

[49:22]knowing he doesn't have to do that again.

[49:23]So by the time

[49:24]we actually get into the car,

[49:25]I am fully,

[49:26]I'm on 10.

[49:28]I'm a race car on red.

[49:30]I'm so angry.

[49:31]And I'm thinking about,

[49:32]I'm walking around,

[49:33]I get him into the car.

[49:34]So I have a chance to walk around

[49:35]to the front of the car

[49:36]and think about

[49:37]what's my reaction going to be?

[49:38]Am I going to yell?

[49:39]What am I going to do?

[49:40]So I did my version

[49:42]of driving home real fast,

[49:44]which is,

[49:46]Oh no.

[49:46]I turned up the jazz radio station

[49:48]really loud.

[49:49]There you go.

[49:50]Got in the car.

[49:53]By that point,

[49:54]he was kind of cooled off.

[49:55]So he was trying to tell me about

[49:56]bullet ants or bullet flies.

[49:59]Is this a thing?

[49:59]Bullet ants?

[50:00]I think he might have been saying that.

[50:01]With the big head.

[50:01]Yeah.

[50:02]Okay.

[50:02]Yeah.

[50:03]So he's trying to tell me about bullet ants.

[50:04]And I was like,

[50:05]a lot of people don't realize this,

[50:06]but bullet ants,

[50:06]one of the things they do

[50:07]is they actually go up to the queen

[50:08]and punch them right in the nuts

[50:09]when they see them.

[50:10]So that's probably where they got it from.

[50:11]And ironically,

[50:14]I'm fairly certain

[50:15]when I went home

[50:16]and like later,

[50:17]once I cooled off,

[50:18]they're like,

[50:18]and spoiler alert

[50:19]for everyone out there,

[50:20]this is not,

[50:21]it was not a success.

[50:22]This was not a successful parenting move.

[50:24]The next hour

[50:25]was still terrible at home.

[50:26]So I should have just shown him

[50:28]some more compassion

[50:28]and listened about the bullet ants

[50:30]to begin with.

[50:31]But I'm pretty sure

[50:32]when I got home and checked.

[50:33]Instead of cranking up

[50:34]a 10 minute bass solo

[50:36]on the album,

[50:36]I can't hear you.

[50:37]I'm fairly certain

[50:40]that the track

[50:40]that was on the radio

[50:41]was by Ravi Coltrane.

[50:42]I'm pretty sure

[50:43]like when I got home

[50:43]and checked the jazz playlist,

[50:45]I was like,

[50:45]oh,

[50:45]that was a Ravi Coltrane track.

[50:46]So every time he hears Coltrane's,

[50:47]he's going to be triggered

[50:48]like some sort of

[50:49]born identity thing.

[50:50]John Coltrane

[50:51]trying to tell me

[50:51]to chill out,

[50:52]be more kind.

[50:53]So this week

[50:54]when we made our

[50:55]Thanksgiving turkeys

[50:56]about what we're thankful for,

[50:57]I got John Coltrane

[50:58]on my little,

[51:00]yeah,

[51:00]I put John Coltrane

[51:01]on my little feather

[51:03]about what I'm thankful for

[51:04]in this world.

[51:05]Aaron just moved the camera

[51:06]and one of the turkeys

[51:06]was punching another one

[51:07]of the turkeys in the nuts.

[51:08]So I think this might be a thing.

[51:09]Like this might be

[51:10]something you have to address.

[51:11]So Aaron,

[51:13]your cool down moment

[51:14]is you listen to jazz real loud.

[51:16]Matt or Rob,

[51:16]do you guys have

[51:17]cool down things?

[51:18]What's your trick

[51:19]to put yourself

[51:20]in a more peaceful state

[51:21]when you're not

[51:22]having a good day?

[51:22]There is no trick.

[51:25]I'm furious.

[51:25]I'm furious all the time.

[51:27]Yeah.

[51:28]I'm so mad.

[51:29]And then I,

[51:30]the only thing I can do

[51:31]is apologize to my kids after.

[51:32]And I say,

[51:32]listen,

[51:32]I'm sorry I got mad.

[51:33]I shouldn't have done that.

[51:34]I did that.

[51:34]Yeah,

[51:35]I did that too.

[51:35]Yeah.

[51:35]Well,

[51:36]no,

[51:36]I wouldn't apologize

[51:37]for some kid

[51:37]punched me in the nuts.

[51:38]Never apologize for that,

[51:39]Aaron.

[51:39]The only thing I haven't done,

[51:41]Rosie,

[51:42]is,

[51:42]you know,

[51:42]your kid wants to then

[51:43]talk to you about everything.

[51:44]And I,

[51:44]and I would,

[51:45]I just shut it.

[51:46]I say,

[51:46]look,

[51:46]like Eddie,

[51:47]my youngest who's six,

[51:49]more than anything.

[51:49]It's like,

[51:50]Eddie,

[51:51]I can't talk to you right now.

[51:52]You are unbelievably rude to me.

[51:54]Yeah.

[51:54]Yeah.

[51:55]You know,

[51:56]things like this.

[51:56]And like,

[51:57]you are completely against,

[51:58]you are,

[51:58]that was against the rules.

[51:59]That was rude.

[52:00]I do not appreciate that.

[52:02]I can't talk to you right now.

[52:03]I'm going to catch up with you later.

[52:04]That's all he wants to do

[52:05]is talk to you about the bullet ants,

[52:06]right?

[52:06]Right.

[52:06]And if he doesn't get to talk to you

[52:08]about bullet ants,

[52:08]well then maybe he'll learn.

[52:09]I don't know.

[52:09]We'll see.

[52:10]We'll see who,

[52:11]we'll see who ends up

[52:12]coming out on top of that one.

[52:14]So yeah,

[52:14]that was it.

[52:15]Honestly,

[52:15]I think that's a good way.

[52:16]That's a good way to have them see

[52:17]that like their actions

[52:18]have consequences.

[52:19]You know what I mean?

[52:20]It doesn't have to be like

[52:21]you getting mad.

[52:22]It's like,

[52:22]oh,

[52:22]I'm,

[52:22]I'm disappointed.

[52:23]I can't talk to you right now

[52:24]because I'm so upset.

[52:25]You made me upset

[52:26]and you did this

[52:27]and then you can do

[52:28]what I sometimes do,

[52:28]which is like,

[52:29]well,

[52:29]maybe when I die,

[52:30]you can come to my gravestone

[52:31]and say nice things to me

[52:31]and not punch me in the nuts.

[52:32]Maybe I can put a pair of nuts

[52:33]on my gravestone

[52:34]and you can punch that

[52:35]when your dad is dead

[52:37]and you really miss me actually.

[52:38]So that's a fun thing to do too.

[52:41]You might want to keep that

[52:42]in your quiver.

[52:42]I think that's a good one.

[52:43]I'm going to keep that

[52:44]in the back pocket.

[52:44]If they can,

[52:45]if they can remake

[52:46]the bodyguard

[52:47]after Whitney dies,

[52:48]they can get a stepdad

[52:49]after.

[52:49]That stepdad

[52:55]is not going to be

[52:56]as rich as Rob though

[52:57]because we know

[52:58]that stepdad

[52:59]will probably pay his bill

[53:00]on time

[53:01]instead of just

[53:02]backing off,

[53:03]right?

[53:03]I wonder if he's responsible,

[53:05]like what if

[53:05]American Express

[53:06]reverses that

[53:07]and then this poor

[53:08]blue bastard

[53:09]has to be responsible

[53:10]for that $400 bill.

[53:11]Yes.

[53:13]That will be

[53:15]their biggest problem

[53:16]marrying into this family

[53:17]is a $400 bill.

[53:18]Definitely not

[53:20]a bunch of other shit

[53:20]they have to deal with it.

[53:21]Russ saw it

[53:22]before this call started.

[53:23]Rob's kids will get to go

[53:24]to like a Bennigan's

[53:25]and they'll be so excited.

[53:26]It's like our dad

[53:26]only took us

[53:27]to cheap restaurants

[53:28]like TGI Fridays

[53:31]and now we get

[53:32]an upgrade to Bennigan's.

[53:33]I want you guys

[53:34]to notice at no point

[53:35]were my kids involved

[53:36]in that story

[53:36]because they were at home

[53:37]doing God knows what

[53:38]unknown.

[53:39]I ordered them sushi

[53:41]which for them

[53:41]is rice and miso soup.

[53:42]Very exciting.

[53:44]Yeah, so let's get

[53:46]into the album.

[53:46]Yeah, let's get

[53:48]into the album.

[53:48]It's time for nobody's

[53:49]favorite part of the show.

[53:50]This is Aaron's

[53:51]favorite part of the show

[53:52]for sure today,

[53:53]isn't it, Aaron?

[53:53]Every time.

[53:54]Every time is my

[53:55]favorite part of the show

[53:55]but tonight especially.

[53:56]Yeah, but we've

[53:57]run out of time.

[53:58]That's unfortunate.

[53:58]It's too bad.

[54:01]We've got to wrap it up.

[54:02]Bad way to get

[54:02]into the wrap it up side.

[54:04]Matt's got to figure it out

[54:05]and wrap it up.

[54:06]Guys, you know

[54:08]what it is so funny?

[54:08]The three of us

[54:10]minus Aaron

[54:11]should have recorded

[54:11]this episode

[54:12]without Aaron.

[54:13]I'll try.

[54:13]And then be like,

[54:15]oh, Aaron, sorry,

[54:15]we've lied to you.

[54:16]It was actually

[54:16]four days ago

[54:17]we talked about

[54:18]John Coltrane or whatever.

[54:19]We didn't really like

[54:20]the album.

[54:20]We didn't get it.

[54:21]We just viewed his ass

[54:23]out like we normally do.

[54:24]You just didn't show up.

[54:25]You know, we had a plan.

[54:26]You just didn't show up.

[54:27]We just thought,

[54:27]well, we're not going

[54:28]to bug him.

[54:28]I mean, fair.

[54:32]Nobody needs to hear it.

[54:34]Other people have said

[54:35]far more intelligent things

[54:36]than I'm about to say

[54:37]about this album

[54:38]but here we are

[54:39]so let's go for it.

[54:40]Jazz was always cool.

[54:41]Jazz was always

[54:42]the devil's music.

[54:43]That changed in 1964

[54:44]when John Coltrane

[54:45]recorded a new album

[54:46]with pianist McCoy Tyner,

[54:47]Jimmy Garrison on bass

[54:49]and Elvin Jones on drums.

[54:50]A Love Supreme

[54:51]is a jazz album

[54:52]but it's really a message

[54:53]of thanks and a devotion

[54:54]to God.

[54:54]The bean from which

[54:55]Coltrane was convinced

[54:56]his musical ability

[54:57]came from.

[54:58]But to send a message

[54:59]to those on high,

[55:00]the journey started

[55:01]at the lowest point

[55:02]in Coltrane's life.

[55:02]Coltrane had recorded

[55:04]the seminal Kind of Blue

[55:05]not Kind of Cool

[55:06]with Miles Davis

[55:08]and was touring with him.

[55:09]However, in 1957

[55:10]his dependence

[55:11]on heroin and alcohol

[55:12]made him an undependable

[55:13]bandmate

[55:13]and Dave aspired him

[55:15]after a live show.

[55:15]Coltrane claimed

[55:17]that God told him

[55:18]that getting cleaned up

[55:19]would allow him

[55:19]to fully access

[55:20]his musical talents

[55:21]and while he was far

[55:22]from perfect,

[55:22]Coltrane acknowledged

[55:23]it was a Love Supreme

[55:25]that created this album.

[55:26]A sober Coltrane

[55:27]had total control

[55:28]over all aspects

[55:29]of this album,

[55:30]writing the liner notes

[55:31]for the album

[55:32]including a poem

[55:33]which was discovered

[55:34]to correspond with

[55:35]the fourth and final

[55:36]movement of the album.

[55:37]The liner notes

[55:38]of the album

[55:38]have been examined

[55:39]like a holy book

[55:40]because there's no

[55:41]recorded interview

[55:41]of Coltrane talking

[55:42]about the personal

[55:43]importance of this album.

[55:44]In fact,

[55:45]while he only performed

[55:46]the suite live

[55:47]a couple of times,

[55:48]it was thought to have

[55:49]only been recorded

[55:49]once in France.

[55:50]But in October of 2021,

[55:52]a new recording

[55:54]from Seattle,

[55:54]the full version

[55:56]of A Love Supreme

[55:57]was released.

[55:58]To say this album

[55:59]is cool is saying

[56:00]like the birth

[56:00]of a baby is cool.

[56:01]The word cool

[56:02]doesn't even begin

[56:03]to describe the impact

[56:04]that Love Supreme

[56:05]would have on jazz.

[56:05]This moved avant-garde jazz

[56:07]into the mainstream

[56:08]and forever represented

[56:09]the artist's

[56:10]greatest achievements.

[56:10]However,

[56:11]perhaps Coltrane's

[56:12]ultimate accomplishment

[56:13]was taking jazz

[56:14]away from Satan himself

[56:15]and creating one

[56:15]of the most powerful

[56:16]three-word devotionals ever.

[56:17]Let's listen to

[56:19]A Love Supreme.

[56:20]Guys,

[56:21]that was a really good one,

[56:22]don't you think?

[56:23]Shut it down.

[56:24]Let's go for it.

[56:24]I got nothing to say.

[56:25]Let's just go.

[56:26]I copied most of it

[56:27]from an NPR thing.

[56:27]All right,

[56:28]here we go.

[56:29]Give him the sign.

[56:31]Wrap it up.

[56:33]I didn't look at you

[56:33]for that one.

[56:34]I'm not going to talk too much

[56:38]because Rosie wants

[56:39]to speak way better.

[56:40]This is,

[56:41]I just,

[56:42]I can't describe

[56:43]why I like it.

[56:44]I don't know why I like jazz,

[56:45]but listening to just

[56:47]the start of this,

[56:48]I mean,

[56:49]just again,

[56:50]this is a great start.

[56:51]You have no idea what's going on.

[56:52]It feels like you're

[56:52]at the start of a concert.

[56:53]It feels like everybody's

[56:54]warming up to get rolling

[56:55]and it just kicks right in

[56:57]and the whole thing

[56:58]is just a phenomenal album.

[56:59]I don't know why.

[57:00]I can't explain why,

[57:01]but I am,

[57:02]I'm on your wavelength

[57:04]with this one, Rosie.

[57:04]This is just

[57:05]a phenomenal album.

[57:06]And that's the thing

[57:07]I love about it.

[57:08]I don't have anything,

[57:10]I'm not going to talk

[57:11]about the,

[57:12]the,

[57:12]the harmony

[57:13]or the,

[57:13]the theory

[57:14]or the structure

[57:15]of these songs much

[57:16]because it's,

[57:17]it's a feeling

[57:18]and it talks to me

[57:19]and I'm,

[57:19]I love if other people

[57:21]feel the same way

[57:22]and if other people don't,

[57:23]I think that's cool too.

[57:23]I don't think that's what

[57:24]Coltrane cared about.

[57:26]He wanted to give a message

[57:27]to,

[57:27]to who he felt

[57:28]his creator was

[57:29]and everybody's creator.

[57:30]So I,

[57:31]I love that.

[57:32]This is not a,

[57:33]we're going to talk

[57:34]all up and down

[57:36]the theory behind this album

[57:37]because that's not the,

[57:37]that's not what this music is.

[57:38]It's,

[57:39]it's just full-throated

[57:40]devotional

[57:41]and emotion.

[57:42]Rob,

[57:42]I'm always worried

[57:43]that I'm dumb,

[57:45]right?

[57:45]That's always a big concern

[57:46]of mine is that

[57:46]I'm secretly dumb

[57:47]and I just do smart guy things

[57:49]because it's like

[57:49]what people expect me to do

[57:51]or like what I'm supposed to do

[57:52]and that's why I'm doing

[57:52]so many smart things

[57:53]all the time.

[57:53]Well,

[57:54]you know,

[57:54]you went to the Harvard

[57:55]of the Midwest.

[57:56]You're a pretty smart guy.

[57:57]That's true.

[57:58]Aaron,

[57:58]am I supposed to know

[57:59]this is a song to God

[58:00]if there's not the liner notes

[58:02]and there's not what

[58:02]everybody has already done

[58:03]with this?

[58:04]Like,

[58:04]am I supposed to be able

[58:05]to tell the,

[58:05]from the tone

[58:06]of the jazz itself?

[58:08]Um,

[58:09]no.

[58:10]Yes,

[58:12]but you might.

[58:13]I knew it in your face,

[58:14]mom.

[58:14]You might feel that way.

[58:15]Yeah.

[58:15]I don't think you have

[58:17]to know that.

[58:18]And,

[58:19]and it's hard to know now.

[58:21]You know,

[58:22]I'll be honest.

[58:22]I didn't know that

[58:23]when I first listened

[58:23]to it either.

[58:24]It's not something like,

[58:25]it's a,

[58:26]it's a thing that I remember.

[58:27]I didn't come to this album

[58:28]probably until the 2010s

[58:30]and at the time

[58:31]I was working a desk job

[58:32]and going through like,

[58:33]all right,

[58:34]I need to,

[58:34]you know,

[58:34]put my headphones in

[58:36]and learn about jazz.

[58:37]So it was like,

[58:37]this album,

[58:38]it was Mingus,

[58:40]Black Saint in the Center,

[58:42]Lady.

[58:42]It was,

[58:43]you know,

[58:43]Eric Dolphy out to lunch.

[58:45]Like I needed to learn jazz

[58:47]and I didn't know

[58:48]that this was a spiritual album,

[58:50]but I felt it.

[58:51]Yeah.

[58:51]Monk.

[58:52]It is so fucking funny to me

[58:54]that you're sitting,

[58:54]you're like,

[58:55]well,

[58:55]got a new job

[58:56]and to start my career.

[58:57]Better learn about jazz

[58:59]during this time.

[59:00]Better,

[59:00]better thing.

[59:00]Something useful this time.

[59:02]Definitely going to learn

[59:03]probably one of the most

[59:04]complicated part,

[59:05]things of music

[59:05]that I could possibly

[59:06]dedicate my life to here.

[59:08]So it's the thing that's like,

[59:10]you know,

[59:10]you don't know necessarily

[59:12]without reading about it

[59:13]that this was a song to God,

[59:14]but you immediately,

[59:16]when you learn that,

[59:16]it makes sense.

[59:17]Like you feel it.

[59:18]You understand this was a feeling

[59:20]that was bigger than humanity.

[59:21]So Aaron,

[59:21]is there a fancy term

[59:22]for these four notes

[59:23]that we hear over and over?

[59:24]Listen to the bass here.

[59:25]Right?

[59:26]We keep hearing this.

[59:27]Like we hear this.

[59:30]Is it a motif

[59:30]that we keep hearing

[59:31]for the whole entire album?

[59:32]Would you say a motif

[59:33]is something a smart guy

[59:34]would say?

[59:34]I think,

[59:36]I think a smart guy

[59:37]would call it a motif.

[59:37]Yeah.

[59:38]And it's what the whole thing

[59:39]is built on.

[59:40]And that's why,

[59:40]that's why this isn't

[59:42]to me quite,

[59:43]I mean,

[59:43]not to me,

[59:44]I think everyone would acknowledge

[59:45]that this isn't,

[59:45]this isn't quite free jazz.

[59:47]He went to free jazz

[59:49]within like six months

[59:50]of this recording,

[59:50]maybe even earlier,

[59:51]but there's a lot of structure here

[59:53]and he's building on

[59:53]these little melodies

[59:54]off of this one simple phrase.

[59:57]And I think

[59:57]that's kind of a dentist's dream,

[59:59]right?

[59:59]I mean,

[60:00]motif.

[60:01]It's like,

[60:01]yeah,

[60:01]more cavities.

[60:03]Okay.

[60:03]I'm going to pause

[60:07]and I'm going to let that breathe.

[60:07]Let the crowd laugh at that.

[60:08]Now we have,

[60:10]so it's broken into four parts.

[60:12]We have acknowledgement,

[60:12]resolution,

[60:13]pursuance,

[60:14]and psalm.

[60:15]And this is Aaron,

[60:16]you picked out.

[60:16]Now Aaron has picked out

[60:17]all the times.

[60:17]Now I do want to say this.

[60:18]Okay.

[60:18]Aaron is too sweet

[60:20]for this world

[60:20]to pick out all the times.

[60:21]He helped me out a ton.

[60:22]Very helpful.

[60:23]So let's wrap it up,

[60:24]right, Rob?

[60:24]Let's wrap it up.

[60:25]Be the close.

[60:27]Great to see you guys.

[60:29]But I will.

[60:29]Thank you for all the work

[60:29]you put into this.

[60:30]I appreciate it.

[60:31]Aaron,

[60:31]you're the best.

[60:31]I feel like we talked

[60:32]about it, really.

[60:33]I think it's good.

[60:34]We covered it.

[60:35]There's nothing else.

[60:35]It's jazz.

[60:36]Next up,

[60:38]it's a fucking,

[60:39]you know,

[60:40]journey or some shit.

[60:41]Who cares?

[60:41]Journey?

[60:42]Yes.

[60:42]You know.

[60:43]That's going to be funny.

[60:47]You got to explain this to me.

[60:48]So you've got Ascension.

[60:50]I thought this was

[60:51]acknowledgement,

[60:51]resolution.

[60:52]What are the songs here?

[60:54]Is there four songs

[60:55]or what's happening on this?

[60:56]Yeah,

[60:58]this is one suite

[60:58]with four movements,

[60:59]but I did send Rob

[61:00]some other Coltrane tracks

[61:01]that I thought would be

[61:02]interesting to play.

[61:03]Aaron,

[61:03]you got to use phrases

[61:04]that normal people know.

[61:06]One song with four parts?

[61:08]Or what is it?

[61:09]Yeah.

[61:09]I mean,

[61:10]four movements.

[61:10]It sounds like me

[61:11]at Taco Bell Cantina.

[61:12]Yeah, right?

[61:13]It's like one composition

[61:17]with four parts.

[61:18]Yeah.

[61:18]So it's acknowledgement,

[61:20]resolution,

[61:21]pursuance,

[61:22]and song.

[61:22]Correct.

[61:23]Four songs.

[61:24]Four songs.

[61:25]Okay.

[61:26]And so are we talking

[61:26]about song one?

[61:27]Are we talking about

[61:29]a movement in song one now

[61:30]or are we on to song two?

[61:31]I would say song one

[61:32]is also movement one.

[61:33]So now we're talking

[61:34]about another section

[61:36]of song one.

[61:37]Okay.

[61:38]Yeah.

[61:38]Yeah.

[61:39]So Aaron,

[61:39]you've listed this

[61:40]just as Preacher.

[61:41]Tell us about that.

[61:42]Yeah.

[61:43]So I really,

[61:44]we're going to hear it

[61:45]here in a second.

[61:45]So I think I,

[61:56]and this is,

[61:56]so I will say that

[61:57]a lot of my thoughts

[61:58]about this album

[61:59]are not my own thoughts.

[62:00]I've done a ton of reading

[62:01]from Lewis Porter

[62:02]and Ashley Kahn

[62:04]and some guy

[62:05]who was on Heat Rocks

[62:06]about this.

[62:06]But a lot of people

[62:07]compare,

[62:08]Coltrane's mannerisms,

[62:09]his gestures,

[62:11]his sound

[62:12]to that of a preacher.

[62:13]And to me,

[62:14]that's the first spot

[62:15]on the album

[62:15]where he really goes

[62:16]to that place

[62:17]where he's,

[62:17]he's not just making

[62:18]beautiful sounds

[62:19]with his horn anymore.

[62:20]He's,

[62:21]he's making sounds

[62:21]that haven't been heard before.

[62:23]And I've just scratched

[62:24]the surface of a reading

[62:25]about this

[62:25]where he was like

[62:26]super selective

[62:27]about his,

[62:28]the reads he was choosing

[62:30]and the ways

[62:31]he was making sound.

[62:32]And so,

[62:32]I didn't hear that

[62:34]the first time

[62:35]I ever listened to this

[62:36]or the first hundred times

[62:37]I listened to this,

[62:37]but his cadence,

[62:38]his gestures,

[62:39]it's this kind of thing

[62:40]of in church,

[62:41]it's a preacher

[62:41]building to a climax

[62:43]and taking them back down.

[62:44]And that for me

[62:45]was the first spot

[62:45]on the album

[62:46]where you kind of hear him

[62:47]like get ecstatic

[62:48]in terms of,

[62:49]you know,

[62:50]his expression.

[62:50]When I played alto sax

[62:52]in middle school,

[62:53]I was also very selective

[62:54]about my reads.

[62:55]Like I didn't want

[62:55]to play any of them.

[62:56]So I tossed all that shit away.

[62:58]I never practiced.

[62:59]And then I stayed

[62:59]at fourth chair for the year

[63:01]until they essentially

[63:02]asked me not to come back

[63:03]the following year.

[63:03]So me and John Coltrane

[63:06]were like,

[63:06]he's in a pod.

[63:08]I was making sounds

[63:09]that nobody had ever

[63:10]heard before, Eric.

[63:11]You would have loved it.

[63:12]Yeah, Russ is like,

[63:13]what's the motif of this song?

[63:14]I'm telling you,

[63:15]I think this is the only podcast

[63:16]where we talk about

[63:18]like lactose intolerance

[63:20]and you get smarter

[63:21]thinking about jazz.

[63:22]Like there's no other podcast

[63:23]that's going to give you

[63:23]this kind of stuff.

[63:24]Nobody else.

[63:25]Now I do love

[63:26]at the end of this acknowledgement,

[63:27]he takes that same motif, right?

[63:29]And he plays it

[63:30]in every key,

[63:31]like all eight keys

[63:32]or 12 keys

[63:33]or whatever there is.

[63:33]And I know what the answer is.

[63:35]Yeah, 12.

[63:35]And then definitely,

[63:36]I didn't say eight earlier.

[63:38]They got it.

[63:38]I edited it out.

[63:39]But you can hear it right here.

[63:41]He's switching.

[63:41]Oh, cool.

[63:44]And so it's kind of

[63:45]that whole idea of like,

[63:46]I think it has to do with like,

[63:49]oh, God can make this sound good

[63:50]like in any way you want to do it.

[63:52]It's all these different ways

[63:53]we can do it.

[63:53]It's kind of hammering on that.

[63:54]Aaron's pointing at me.

[63:55]He's giving me a thumbs up.

[63:56]He's pinching his nipple super hard.

[63:58]So Aaron, what do you think?

[63:59]100% right.

[64:01]That's the theory.

[64:02]I was right about the nipple thing.

[64:03]He decided he was going to play

[64:05]the theme,

[64:06]the motif in all 12 keys

[64:08]to show that

[64:08]God's everywhere.

[64:09]You nailed it, Rob.

[64:10]God's at Chili's, too.

[64:12]They've got like 12 different

[64:13]types of wings.

[64:13]They got dry rub.

[64:14]They got Parmesan garlic.

[64:17]Like, God is everywhere

[64:18]in the world, isn't he?

[64:19]Thai chili.

[64:20]Yeah.

[64:21]Yeah.

[64:21]Chebacon jerk.

[64:22]God's at Chili's, too.

[64:25]Sounds like the janitor

[64:26]at school, you know.

[64:27]So many keys.

[64:27]That Chili's joke

[64:30]was way better.

[64:30]So now we have part two,

[64:31]Resolution.

[64:32]This is song two.

[64:33]Song two, yeah.

[64:35]For the dumbasses,

[64:36]the dumb shits out there.

[64:37]Yes.

[64:38]And at least

[64:40]when I was choosing times,

[64:41]I wanted to give everybody

[64:42]in the quartet

[64:43]because the band, to me,

[64:44]this is the greatest band

[64:45]ever assembled.

[64:46]So this is Jimmy Garrison

[64:47]doing his little

[64:48]bass intro to Resolution.

[64:49]And then when Coltrane

[64:50]comes in, you know,

[64:51]you know what it is.

[64:52]Oh.

[64:53]Oh.

[64:54]That's a moment, huh?

[64:57]Yeah.

[64:58]Absolutely.

[64:58]This album has also

[64:59]made me realize

[65:00]32 Minutes is about

[65:01]the perfect length

[65:02]of any album.

[65:02]I enjoyed listening to it

[65:04]because I was like,

[65:04]it goes by super quick.

[65:06]Yeah.

[65:07]This is also

[65:08]the one song,

[65:09]at least from what I read

[65:10]from Lewis Porter,

[65:11]this is the one song

[65:12]that was written

[65:12]maybe prior to

[65:14]the other songs.

[65:16]And so it was,

[65:17]the rest of them

[65:18]were sort of composed together,

[65:19]meant to fit together.

[65:20]And this one was

[65:21]maybe not going to be included

[65:23]and then was added later.

[65:24]And I love to think about

[65:25]Elvin Jones's

[65:26]place on this one

[65:27]and the way he does

[65:28]this kind of rolling

[65:29]polyrhythmic thing

[65:30]where like,

[65:31]you could have played this song

[65:32]with like a straight swing beat,

[65:33]just like a

[65:34]and he did something

[65:38]totally different with it,

[65:39]which I thought was like

[65:40]very cool.

[65:40]Russell, remember that

[65:41]in case you meet a drummer

[65:42]at a bar again, okay?

[65:43]Something about elves.

[65:44]Yeah.

[65:45]Something about elves

[65:47]playing a swing.

[65:48]I don't know what's going on.

[65:49]Elves in the woods

[65:50]are on the swings.

[65:51]I don't know.

[65:51]Russell, that drummer

[65:53]you met was from Philly, right?

[65:55]He was.

[65:55]John Coltrane spent,

[65:57]like he spent his

[65:58]formative years in Philadelphia.

[65:59]He was born in North Carolina,

[66:01]but he learned jazz

[66:02]and R&B in Philly.

[66:03]He went to prep school there,

[66:04]didn't he?

[66:04]Right, yeah.

[66:05]I actually bought

[66:06]that Philadelphia drummer

[66:08]a few drinks,

[66:08]but I'm thinking about

[66:09]canceling that bill

[66:10]and just saying like,

[66:11]I think he was from New Hampshire,

[66:13]not Philadelphia.

[66:14]This is not what I signed up for.

[66:15]But Elvin was a Detroit guy,

[66:16]so don't make a mistake.

[66:17]Elvin was Detroit.

[66:18]Oh, okay.

[66:19]I liked it last week

[66:20]when we were making fun

[66:21]of Russell all the time.

[66:21]That was more fun to me.

[66:22]All right, McCoy solo here.

[66:24]Yeah, you got to give it up

[66:26]for McCoy Tyner.

[66:27]I mean, he's the backbone

[66:28]and I love the changes here

[66:30]when

[66:30]this is the pianist.

[66:32]He's a pianist,

[66:33]McCoy Tyner.

[66:33]McCoy Tyner, yeah.

[66:34]Would you say this is one

[66:35]of the biggest pianists in jazz?

[66:36]Oh, now we're back to Coltrane.

[66:39]Yeah, we, yeah.

[66:40]I would say

[66:42]he's like a top 10,

[66:43]but he's not a top 10.

[66:44]Hey, Rob,

[66:44]what does Aaron call

[66:46]McCoy Tyner?

[66:46]He's a wonderful...

[66:49]Oh, come on.

[66:50]Aaron calls McCoy

[66:51]as what?

[66:51]McCoy Tyner?

[66:52]Oh, God, you're making

[66:53]me switch around.

[66:54]So much, so much work.

[66:57]That's why I'm going

[66:58]to start calling him a penis.

[66:59]It's worth it, though.

[67:00]That's going to be edited together.

[67:01]It sounds so, so good.

[67:02]I think, you know,

[67:03]if it's for this,

[67:03]again, I listen to jazz

[67:06]on a very surface level

[67:08]because I don't know

[67:09]how to play instruments.

[67:10]I don't know how to read music.

[67:12]I don't know how tough it is

[67:13]to play this, you know,

[67:15]where they're going

[67:15]with all this stuff.

[67:16]I just like listening to it.

[67:17]That's all I know.

[67:18]Yeah.

[67:18]I hear more out of this album

[67:20]than a lot of the other jazz

[67:21]that I hear,

[67:22]particularly with the saxophone,

[67:24]is the piano, you know,

[67:26]throughout this whole thing

[67:26]is kind of the backbone

[67:27]to the whole album.

[67:28]That's what I like, you know,

[67:30]just even on the first song,

[67:31]Russell, the first song,

[67:33]you know,

[67:34]it seems pretty basic,

[67:36]the piano.

[67:37]It's kind of just a background,

[67:38]kind of more or less

[67:40]level setting everything,

[67:41]but that's what I think

[67:43]I hear more than anything,

[67:44]more than the saxophone

[67:45]is listening to the piano

[67:47]on this album,

[67:48]and I think it's great.

[67:49]So here they are bringing it,

[67:50]and now, Russell,

[67:51]don't get confused,

[67:51]but the fourth song

[67:52]is called Psalm.

[67:53]Are we on the fourth song

[67:56]or the second song?

[67:56]No, we're on the,

[67:57]well, there's only one song.

[67:58]It's on the second song.

[67:59]There's only one psalm

[67:59]as a fourth song.

[68:00]Psalm starts with P.

[68:03]Someone tell me

[68:03]before we get to the third song.

[68:05]I have a list

[68:05]before we get to the third song.

[68:07]Okay, we're back there.

[68:07]I'll tell you what,

[68:08]they're bringing it home here

[68:09]on the second.

[68:09]Let's listen to it.

[68:10]This is it.

[68:10]This is the end of the second song.

[68:12]Now, Aaron,

[68:14]I did listen to the

[68:15]Live at Seattle album,

[68:16]and I gotta say,

[68:17]it's a way different experience.

[68:19]It just came out a week ago,

[68:20]which is gonna make

[68:21]this podcast blow up.

[68:22]I can't wait for all these listeners

[68:23]who wanna hear John Coltrane

[68:24]until they slog through

[68:25]an hour of me

[68:26]not paying the bill

[68:27]at the karaoke bar

[68:27]to listen to us talk about jazz,

[68:29]but I thought it was

[68:30]really, really different.

[68:31]I mean, way more wild solos,

[68:33]more frenetic.

[68:34]Like, to be honest,

[68:35]if I would have expected

[68:36]to hear Love Supreme

[68:37]instead of that concert,

[68:38]I would have been like,

[68:39]well, this kinda sounds like noise

[68:40]until you get about

[68:41]halfway through.

[68:42]It's a lot more,

[68:43]it's a lot different.

[68:44]Yeah, I think there are,

[68:45]totally, I think there are

[68:46]two things about the live version.

[68:47]I think it,

[68:48]so the live version

[68:49]has two other horns,

[68:50]which, you know,

[68:51]at least according

[68:52]to Coltrane's notes,

[68:53]he always intended

[68:54]for there to be

[68:55]one other horn

[68:56]and one other bass player

[68:57]in the group,

[68:58]and it just,

[68:59]and actually on the second day.

[69:01]So he wanted it

[69:01]to be more horny,

[69:02]is what you're saying.

[69:03]He wanted it

[69:03]He wanted it more horny,

[69:04]yeah, exactly.

[69:04]On the second,

[69:05]so like this was all recorded

[69:06]on December 9th, 1964.

[69:08]On the second day,

[69:09]he had Archie Shep

[69:10]also in the studio,

[69:11]so there was another horn,

[69:12]but the live version

[69:14]has two things.

[69:14]One, the mic is so close

[69:16]to the drums

[69:17]that the whole thing

[69:18]is just Elvin

[69:19]just blowing up

[69:20]the whole thing.

[69:20]It's thunderous,

[69:21]it's roaring.

[69:22]It's like the scene

[69:23]in the Lord of the Rings.

[69:26]Elvin is just going,

[69:28]Elvin's are going crazy.

[69:29]Are you sure you're not,

[69:30]are you sure you're not

[69:30]thinking of that

[69:31]Field of Dreams movie

[69:32]where they have the,

[69:33]where Whitney Houston

[69:35]comes out

[69:35]and they have the catch?

[69:36]Don't remind me,

[69:37]And then the other things

[69:38]that happen on the,

[69:39]on the live version

[69:40]are that Pharoah Sanders

[69:41]is there on tenor sax

[69:42]and Carlos Ward

[69:43]is there on alto

[69:44]and basically they just,

[69:45]Coltrane sort of gives them

[69:47]cues orally

[69:48]to just go off

[69:50]into the cosmos.

[69:51]So he kind of plays

[69:52]the themes,

[69:52]he does his thing

[69:53]and then they just like,

[69:54]they start making sounds

[69:55]that you wouldn't think

[69:56]a saxophone could make

[69:57]and it's very much like

[69:59]this whole thing

[70:00]is much more like

[70:01]what John Coltrane

[70:03]experienced

[70:04]a Love Supreme to be

[70:05]and now when you go back

[70:07]to the studio version

[70:08]after hearing that,

[70:08]you're like,

[70:08]oh, this is kind of tame.

[70:09]Yeah, and well,

[70:10]and I think,

[70:11]I was suspicious

[70:12]of the other saxophone players

[70:13]because I heard them

[70:13]a lot of times

[70:14]not even blowing,

[70:15]they were just doing this,

[70:16]we played the saxophone,

[70:17]I played the saxophone

[70:19]and they were making

[70:19]those noises

[70:20]and I was like,

[70:20]I've never heard that

[70:21]of a saxophone before.

[70:22]Sorry, that sounded,

[70:24]that was way better in my head.

[70:25]I think,

[70:25]I think a better joke

[70:27]would have pulled that off.

[70:27]Sorry, yes.

[70:28]McCoy Tyner was the pianist,

[70:30]Elvin Jones is the drummer

[70:31]and when McCoy

[70:33]Tyner takes a piano solo,

[70:34]you can kind of hear

[70:36]the drums like slide back

[70:37]into a more traditional,

[70:38]you know,

[70:39]swing drum pattern

[70:40]and then when Coltrane

[70:42]is playing,

[70:42]the drums are kind of like

[70:44]free to do what they want.

[70:46]He's not doing

[70:47]what's expected,

[70:47]he's accenting

[70:48]unexpected notes,

[70:49]he's playing,

[70:50]you know,

[70:51]four against three

[70:52]and so at that point,

[70:53]the piano has to really

[70:54]hold down the rhythm

[70:55]of the thing

[70:56]and so I think,

[70:56]I think that's probably

[70:57]what you're hearing, Matt,

[70:58]but also you might just

[70:59]be hearing that like,

[70:59]these dudes are really

[71:00]fucking good at what they do

[71:01]and like,

[71:01]that's fun.

[71:02]Aaron,

[71:02]you are,

[71:03]so I am so,

[71:04]I am constantly impressed

[71:05]by how much you know

[71:06]and it's such a disappointment

[71:06]that nobody is still

[71:07]listening to this episode.

[71:08]Oh,

[71:08]well,

[71:08]let's get to Russell's list.

[71:09]It's time.

[71:11]Uh-oh,

[71:14]Russell just woke up.

[71:16]I'm so sorry, guys,

[71:18]I told you.

[71:19]No,

[71:19]this is fantastic, Aaron,

[71:20]man,

[71:21]this is what makes

[71:21]the podcast fun

[71:22]is watching us get excited

[71:23]about albums,

[71:24]it's awesome.

[71:25]This is kind of like

[71:26]Aaron jacking off

[71:26]to a picture of himself,

[71:27]right?

[71:27]It's just like,

[71:28]he's wanted to do it

[71:30]for a long time.

[71:31]Take your time, Aaron,

[71:33]take your time.

[71:33]Take your time doing it.

[71:34]Enjoy it.

[71:35]The one,

[71:36]Aaron,

[71:36]you never mentioned

[71:37]Jimmy Garrison in that rant,

[71:38]the double,

[71:39]the double pianist,

[71:40]the double bass player,

[71:41]is he the double bass player?

[71:42]Double pianist?

[71:43]I did see,

[71:44]I did see something

[71:45]like that online once.

[71:46]My notes said

[71:48]Jimmy Garrison

[71:48]is the jazz double pianist,

[71:50]which means that

[71:50]I couldn't tell

[71:51]if he played the piano

[71:52]or the double bass,

[71:53]I had to mix up

[71:53]in my notes somewhere.

[71:54]Double bass, yeah.

[71:55]I see,

[71:56]I see a lot of double pianists

[71:57]on our Amazon orders,

[71:59]but Jenny and I

[72:00]share an account,

[72:00]so I'm not sure

[72:01]what's going on.

[72:03]If you guys notice,

[72:04]so at what I would consider

[72:05]song one and song two,

[72:06]I don't know what movements

[72:08]these are that Aaron

[72:09]would put these in,

[72:09]but the one thing I noticed

[72:10]at the end of song one,

[72:12]they end with the double bass.

[72:13]At the beginning of song two,

[72:15]they kind of have

[72:16]that double bass solo

[72:17]or the double bass intro

[72:18]at the beginning, right?

[72:19]Right, yeah, totally.

[72:20]We've already talked

[72:21]about the double bass.

[72:21]We talked about a moog bass.

[72:23]We've never just talked

[72:24]about like the best

[72:25]bass openings

[72:26]for any song ever.

[72:27]So we're going to do a list

[72:28]with the best bass openings

[72:30]and these are not

[72:31]double bass songs.

[72:31]These are just

[72:32]normal bass guitarists.

[72:33]So I couldn't do

[72:34]more double bass.

[72:35]It's too many songs

[72:36]where there's no words.

[72:37]This is like one time

[72:39]I knocked into the table

[72:41]and all the flowers fell over,

[72:42]but that was a bass opening.

[72:44]That's different.

[72:44]So first song on the list

[72:47]is from 1973.

[72:48]That's a polite laugh.

[72:49]When Rob doesn't want to pay,

[72:51]he calls the OJs

[72:52]and they sing

[72:53]For the Love of Money.

[72:54]Check this song out.

[72:56]Oh, yes.

[72:58]Is that a great bass opening

[73:00]or what?

[73:01]That's not guitar?

[73:02]This is a bass?

[73:03]It's a bass.

[73:04]So this is Anthony Jackson

[73:06]playing the bass

[73:07]through a wah-wah pedal.

[73:08]Yeah.

[73:08]And he was actually told

[73:10]when he bought

[73:11]the wah-wah pedal,

[73:12]the person at the store

[73:13]told him it's not going to work.

[73:14]It's going to make you

[73:15]sound like a guitar

[73:16]and it didn't.

[73:17]And so this ends up

[73:19]being like this big song.

[73:21]He becomes a very prominent

[73:22]bass player for a long time.

[73:24]But the coolest thing,

[73:25]he said that he discovered jazz

[73:28]through the 1965 album

[73:30]John Coltrane Quartet Plays.

[73:32]So one of his bass players

[73:33]One of John Coltrane's albums

[73:34]was the inspiration

[73:35]for this guy who became

[73:36]like a really prominent

[73:37]bass player.

[73:37]Jimmy Garrison in that quartet.

[73:39]So there you go.

[73:39]I can't wait when we do

[73:40]the OJ's album

[73:41]at number 476

[73:43]or whatever it is

[73:43]and Russell breaks out

[73:44]another money, money, money

[73:45]parody song.

[73:46]It's going to be so good.

[73:47]That song is 100% cinematic.

[73:49]Like you hear that song

[73:50]and you're just like

[73:51]that has to be in a movie.

[73:52]It's been in how many movies

[73:54]we've seen, right?

[73:54]And every time you hear it,

[73:55]you're just like,

[73:56]you picture that guy

[73:57]walking down the street

[73:58]because he just got the new job

[73:59]and he's wearing the new suit.

[74:00]Like it's just right there

[74:01]in your mind.

[74:02]Guys, do you remember

[74:02]I knew Aaron was going to talk

[74:03]about that Donald Trump

[74:04]show The Apprentice.

[74:05]I knew Aaron was going

[74:06]to talk about that.

[74:07]You're fired.

[74:07]Yeah, you're fired.

[74:09]Aaron's, when Russ does

[74:10]that money, money, money song,

[74:11]it's going to be like,

[74:12]do you guys remember

[74:13]10 years ago

[74:14]when we made those jokes

[74:15]about Dennis?

[74:16]Well, here's another

[74:16]money, money, money song

[74:17]about everybody's

[74:18]going to be like, what?

[74:18]Not to depress you guys.

[74:21]Not to depress you guys,

[74:23]but we'll get to that album

[74:24]like 2033.

[74:25]Oh, no.

[74:26]Next song on the list

[74:27]from 1977.

[74:28]Your kid will be at college, Aaron.

[74:29]They won't be around

[74:30]to punch you in the nuts anymore.

[74:31]They're going to be,

[74:31]they'll probably be married.

[74:32]We'll probably record that

[74:33]at your kid's wedding.

[74:34]I'll tell the nuts punching story.

[74:36]It's a good one.

[74:36]And don't forget

[74:38]he threw a rock at Aaron.

[74:38]I think we didn't touch

[74:39]on that enough, actually,

[74:40]that the kid threw a rock

[74:41]at Aaron, caveman style.

[74:43]I mean, it was a small rock,

[74:45]but I mean,

[74:46]it could have hurt me.

[74:47]Next song on the list.

[74:48]We did a disco song

[74:49]a week or so back.

[74:50]We're doing another disco song.

[74:51]This is Chic.

[74:52]Everybody dance.

[74:53]Check this one out.

[74:54]1977.

[74:54]Chic is such good.

[74:58]Listen to that.

[75:01]Wow.

[75:01]That's pretty badass, isn't it?

[75:02]How do you even do that?

[75:05]Well, I did this

[75:07]when I was playing bass, Aaron.

[75:08]This is kind of what I sounded

[75:09]like in the dorm room.

[75:10]I didn't sound like boom, boom, boom.

[75:11]I just sounded like

[75:12]doo-doo-doo-doo.

[75:13]You were like a tuba bass player.

[75:14]You were like a much

[75:16]cooler bass player, right?

[75:17]Yeah, this is kind of

[75:18]what it sounds like

[75:18]when I'm making love.

[75:19]It sounds like, yeah.

[75:20]So I read actually about this.

[75:24]Nile Rodgers,

[75:25]one of the guitarists for this,

[75:26]said that the first album

[75:28]he ever bought

[75:28]was Impressions

[75:29]by John Coltrane.

[75:30]John Coltrane.

[75:31]Oh, yeah.

[75:31]He said, I can't remember

[75:32]not knowing about jazz.

[75:33]It was almost like a religion.

[75:35]I didn't like religion,

[75:36]but I love music.

[75:37]When I was able

[75:38]to buy my own records,

[75:39]I bought this Coltrane album.

[75:40]The first Chic song

[75:42]they ever wrote,

[75:42]Everybody Dance,

[75:44]was actually based

[75:45]on the piano

[75:46]from McCoy Tyner's

[75:48]in playing with John Coltrane.

[75:49]So there was inspiration

[75:51]for that song there,

[75:52]even though it wasn't

[75:52]necessarily the bass player.

[75:53]Oh, that's beautiful, Russell.

[75:55]Russell, how do you do this shit?

[75:56]This is amazing.

[75:57]It's called Google.

[75:57]It's fantastic.

[75:58]Man, you and I are

[75:59]the dumb ones on the podcast.

[76:00]That's so good.

[76:00]That's so good.

[76:00]I guess we should hang out more.

[76:01]No.

[76:02]Next song on the list.

[76:05]We just don't tell them.

[76:06]I don't know if we've ever

[76:07]talked about this band

[76:08]on the list.

[76:08]Have we ever talked

[76:09]Queen before?

[76:10]No.

[76:10]Not yet.

[76:11]This is Queen.

[76:12]Another one bites the dust.

[76:13]Check out the bass opening

[76:14]on this one.

[76:15]Oh.

[76:16]And I don't know.

[76:19]Does it count as like

[76:20]a solo or an opening

[76:21]if the drum plays

[76:22]with the bass or not?

[76:23]Yeah, I think so.

[76:23]A little bass and drum

[76:25]thing going on.

[76:25]Russell, we're going

[76:26]to the jury.

[76:26]They're giving us

[76:28]a thumbs up, Russell.

[76:29]It works.

[76:29]It works for your list.

[76:30]It's in.

[76:31]Mission accomplished?

[76:32]Absolutely.

[76:32]What is that right there?

[76:36]What is that that comes in?

[76:37]Is that like an airplane?

[76:39]It's got to be a synth, right?

[76:41]Some kind of, yeah.

[76:41]Okay, that makes more sense

[76:43]than an airplane.

[76:43]Carry on.

[76:44]One thing I was reading

[76:46]is so John Deacon

[76:47]was the bass player on that

[76:48]and he also wrote the song

[76:51]and it turns out

[76:51]he was actually influenced

[76:53]by Chic

[76:53]and the song Good Times.

[76:55]I don't know if you guys

[76:55]remember the song Good Times.

[76:56]Yes.

[76:57]But it turns out

[76:58]that he was with

[76:59]the bass player

[77:00]from Chic, Bernard Edwards

[77:01]and that's where

[77:02]they got the idea

[77:03]for this song

[77:04]was from a Chic song.

[77:05]There's nothing new

[77:06]under the sun.

[77:06]Everything's borrowing

[77:07]from something.

[77:08]You know, another interesting

[77:09]thing that came to copyright,

[77:10]I was wondering

[77:11]if you guys had ever heard this.

[77:12]So the song Good Times

[77:15]or the song,

[77:16]what are you talking about?

[77:16]Another One Bites the Dust.

[77:17]In Rocky 3,

[77:19]they were going to use

[77:20]Another One Bites the Dust

[77:21]in the movie.

[77:22]They couldn't get

[77:23]the rights for it

[77:24]so they ended up using

[77:25]Eye of the Tiger instead.

[77:26]How different would

[77:28]the Rocky movies have been

[77:29]without Eye of the Tiger

[77:30]in another movie?

[77:30]Another One Bites the Dust.

[77:31]Might have,

[77:33]I mean,

[77:33]maybe they don't make it

[77:34]to Rocky 5

[77:35]without Eye of the Tiger.

[77:36]I'm going to say

[77:37]something controversial here.

[77:38]Where are they at?

[77:39]Okay.

[77:39]I don't think Survivor

[77:42]would have been

[77:42]as big of a band

[77:43]without that song

[77:44]being in Rocky.

[77:44]Okay?

[77:45]I just don't think

[77:46]they would have.

[77:47]Hot take.

[77:48]Yeah.

[77:49]Also,

[77:51]what they had

[77:51]was that stupid CBS show

[77:52]that's been going on

[77:53]for like 30 years, right?

[77:54]Yeah.

[77:55]I haven't watched it

[77:56]because I was like,

[77:56]I know their hit song.

[77:57]You know,

[77:58]Jeff Probst is

[77:59]the lead singer now,

[78:00]but I think it's

[78:01]Immunity Idols

[78:01]and everything.

[78:02]Yeah.

[78:02]Rob,

[78:02]when you post this episode,

[78:04]the first line,

[78:05]make sure you put it in there.

[78:06]You know,

[78:06]hot take.

[78:07]Yeah.

[78:07]Survivor would not

[78:08]have been that big

[78:09]without Eye of the Tiger.

[78:11]You're a master of SEO.

[78:12]That's going to get us

[78:13]so many hits.

[78:13]Oh my God.

[78:14]I can't wait.

[78:14]Combining John Coltrane

[78:16]jazz and Survivor.

[78:17]Think of three things

[78:18]people want to listen to more.

[78:19]Right.

[78:20]All right.

[78:21]I'm going to skip a song here

[78:22]and I'm going to get

[78:22]to the last song on the list.

[78:23]The last song on the list

[78:25]is we've never done

[78:26]a Red Hot Chili Peppers song.

[78:28]We're going to do

[78:29]Higher Ground

[78:30]by the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

[78:31]This is Flea.

[78:32]Check out this opening.

[78:32]That is an opening bass,

[78:39]isn't it?

[78:40]Yes.

[78:41]And I love what he did

[78:43]with the,

[78:43]yeah,

[78:43]he took,

[78:44]he like played

[78:45]the straight melody

[78:46]from the original,

[78:47]but he gave his own

[78:48]flair to it.

[78:48]It's looser.

[78:49]It's like louder.

[78:50]That's awesome.

[78:52]And Aaron,

[78:52]I had to edit some stuff

[78:53]out there because

[78:54]there's some background noise,

[78:54]but I agree.

[78:55]That's the best version

[78:56]of that song

[78:56]that I've ever heard.

[78:58]And I think that's really good.

[78:59]Now,

[78:59]can I just tell you

[79:00]a quick story, Russell,

[79:01]before you tell us your story

[79:02]about this song?

[79:02]Yeah.

[79:03]That is the one

[79:03]when I brought my bass

[79:05]to football,

[79:05]when I brought it to college,

[79:07]right?

[79:08]The guy on the football team,

[79:10]of course,

[79:10]St. Olaf Vina Music School,

[79:11]there's a guy on the football team

[79:12]who was a bass player

[79:13]in offensive linemen.

[79:14]And I was playing

[79:15]boop, boop, boop, boop,

[79:16]like just dumb shit.

[79:17]Don't know why I was doing it.

[79:18]He literally came into the room.

[79:20]He goes,

[79:20]oh, you have a bass?

[79:21]He goes,

[79:21]oh, I played bass

[79:22]in my high school jazz band.

[79:23]He literally picked it up

[79:24]and played this.

[79:24]And I was like,

[79:26]fuck me.

[79:27]Shit.

[79:28]You're like,

[79:31]hey,

[79:31]that's the Seinfeld bit,

[79:32]isn't it?

[79:33]I mean,

[79:33]it would literally like

[79:35]be going on to one night stand

[79:36]and you just see dildos

[79:37]that she has

[79:38]and they're so,

[79:39]they'd be like eight inches long

[79:40]and you'd be like,

[79:41]wow,

[79:41]what am I doing here?

[79:43]I mean,

[79:45]even if I'm five and a half inches,

[79:47]you're like,

[79:47]well,

[79:47]I can't compete with that.

[79:48]Do you have any

[79:50]that are like tuna cans?

[79:51]Keep going, Russell.

[79:52]That's good.

[79:52]You know what?

[79:54]One of the reasons

[79:55]I'm really,

[79:56]I enjoyed the song

[79:57]and it brought me back

[79:58]to listening to Aaron

[79:59]talk about his moment

[80:00]with his son earlier

[80:01]where he was kind of

[80:02]having a rough day with him

[80:03]and he listened to jazz.

[80:04]But when I Googled

[80:06]Flea and John Coltrane,

[80:07]there was a tweet that came up.

[80:08]And so a few years ago,

[80:10]someone tweeted at Flea

[80:11]and they said,

[80:12]I'm just sick of life.

[80:13]I don't know what to do.

[80:14]What should I do, Flea?

[80:15]And he said,

[80:16]he said,

[80:17]take a long walk in nature,

[80:19]go swimming in a river

[80:20]or an ocean

[80:21]or try listening

[80:22]to the Love Supreme

[80:23]by John Coltrane.

[80:24]Jesus Christ.

[80:25]And I was like,

[80:26]that is spot on

[80:27]with the moment

[80:28]you had earlier, Aaron,

[80:29]where it's like,

[80:30]you're having a rough day

[80:31]and you know what Flea said?

[80:32]Go listen to John Coltrane.

[80:33]So I thought that was

[80:34]a great way to end the list

[80:36]on the best bass openings ever.

[80:37]Russell,

[80:38]that was easily

[80:39]a top five list.

[80:39]That's beautiful.

[80:40]Now I'm looking at that tweet

[80:42]and there is a reply that says,

[80:43]you can also yell at your kid

[80:45]and then apologize afterward

[80:46]and worry that you

[80:46]screwed them up permanently.

[80:47]So that's the advice I took

[80:49]and I thought that was

[80:49]really good, actually.

[80:50]Great list, Russell.

[80:52]Wow, that's fun.

[80:53]Yeah, props to Jimmy Garrison,

[80:55]who I think

[80:56]yeah, had a lot to do

[80:57]with how this album turned out.

[80:58]The whole rhythm section,

[80:59]like you couldn't do without him.

[81:00]Russell, you've done

[81:01]that shit now, though,

[81:02]where you have now linked

[81:03]every one of your lists

[81:04]back to the album

[81:05]that we're listening to.

[81:05]You've done that shit

[81:06]that I've done where it's like,

[81:07]oh, this is my bit now.

[81:08]I have to do it every time.

[81:09]This is my nightmare.

[81:10]It takes me 10 hours

[81:11]to get ready for the podcast.

[81:12]It sucks.

[81:13]I wanted to do just a list

[81:14]of the best timpani songs ever.

[81:16]I'm like, well,

[81:16]this is just really boring.

[81:18]So I had to find something else.

[81:19]There's a timpani

[81:22]coming up, though, soon.

[81:23]Yeah, you're right.

[81:23]You are right.

[81:24]OK, so now this is

[81:26]also known as a kettle drum.

[81:27]I've done my research

[81:28]and it didn't pay off

[81:29]for me at all.

[81:29]This is Pursuance, Russell.

[81:32]It's the third song.

[81:33]Third song.

[81:34]But not song.

[81:36]Yeah, we start with some.

[81:37]Yeah, we start with

[81:38]a nice drum solo.

[81:39]So this is Elvin Jones

[81:40]on the drums.

[81:41]And he like,

[81:42]he finds so many

[81:43]different sounds

[81:45]in the drum set.

[81:46]He plays a whole drum set.

[81:47]I can't understand

[81:49]half of what he's doing,

[81:50]but I love it.

[81:51]It's probably like

[81:52]a five piece

[81:53]drum set, right?

[81:54]It's not like these

[81:55]huge rock ones

[81:56]where they've got

[81:57]58 different drums

[81:58]and pedals and everything.

[81:59]It's just probably like

[82:00]a five or four piece

[82:01]drum set, isn't it?

[82:02]Yeah, I think you're right.

[82:03]It's like a ride cymbal,

[82:05]a hi-hat,

[82:06]a kick drum,

[82:07]a snare,

[82:07]maybe a tongue

[82:08]at the beginning.

[82:09]That's it.

[82:10]That would have been

[82:12]like, no,

[82:12]it would have been

[82:13]separate from his drum set.

[82:14]Yeah, for like

[82:14]what he's playing here.

[82:15]No, man, that's totally right.

[82:16]It'd be a five piece.

[82:17]He's amazing.

[82:18]It sounds like

[82:20]there's five people

[82:21]playing the drums

[82:21]and it's just one guy.

[82:22]Now,

[82:23]is it possible

[82:24]that before he started

[82:25]the album,

[82:25]they yelled,

[82:25]take a hit from the gong?

[82:27]So here we have

[82:28]the drum solo

[82:29]going into the theme here.

[82:30]Listen.

[82:30]God, I feel so smart

[82:35]listening to this.

[82:35]And a hit from the gong

[82:38]drove the smell to it.

[82:39]I like hit from the gong.

[82:40]Aaron, this clip

[82:44]you picked is so long.

[82:45]There we go.

[82:45]It's a little bit long.

[82:46]There it is.

[82:47]I always just like to hear

[82:49]when they get started,

[82:50]like, how do they do that?

[82:51]Like, these guys,

[82:53]it's one of the things

[82:54]that you hear people say

[82:55]or write about

[82:55]is that this group

[82:57]listened to one another

[82:58]and they just knew

[82:59]what the others were doing.

[83:01]You know, one thing

[83:01]I heard about this

[83:02]is that this is a group

[83:03]that really listened to each other.

[83:04]And I think that's really

[83:05]important to do.

[83:05]Why was I talking

[83:06]when John Coltrane is playing?

[83:07]Like, what do I have to say

[83:08]that's better than our listeners

[83:09]listening to John Coltrane?

[83:10]Apologies, everyone.

[83:11]Well, us not getting kicked off

[83:13]of every platform around

[83:14]would be helpful,

[83:15]so we need to talk over it

[83:16]loud as possible.

[83:17]Now we have the

[83:19]Tyner,

[83:19]who is the piano player,

[83:20]right?

[83:21]Playing the theme.

[83:21]Yeah, McCoy.

[83:22]Yeah, McCoy Tyner.

[83:23]This was the one spot

[83:24]where I could hear him

[83:26]just, like,

[83:27]there.

[83:29]Just the one spot

[83:30]I could pick out

[83:31]where all of a sudden

[83:31]he played the motif

[83:32]real quick

[83:32]and then he's, like,

[83:33]off into space again.

[83:35]So, like, the whole thing

[83:36]is built around that

[83:37]and there's more going on

[83:38]around those four notes

[83:39]than we even realize.

[83:40]This felt a little more

[83:41]like Bob to me,

[83:41]kind of,

[83:42]a little more of the classic.

[83:44]Interesting you say that, Rob,

[83:45]because I didn't know this

[83:47]because I had to read about this,

[83:49]but this is a traditional

[83:50]12-bar blues.

[83:52]Uh, which the scholar

[83:53]Lewis Porter says

[83:54]was, like,

[83:55]the Coltrane Quartet

[83:56]sweet spot.

[83:57]And I did have to, like,

[83:58]sit down and, like,

[83:59]rudimentary count out

[84:00]12 bars,

[84:01]but it's true.

[84:01]They're playing 12 bars

[84:02]at a time.

[84:03]I can't find the chord changes,

[84:04]but yeah, it's a 12-bar blues,

[84:05]so you're right.

[84:06]Sounds like Russell

[84:06]coming to visit us

[84:07]in New York.

[84:08]12 bars.

[84:08]I mean, that's about what,

[84:09]about how many we hit.

[84:10]Yeah, it's about the right number

[84:11]in three days, 12 bars.

[84:12]I had to pay it all 12 of them.

[84:13]I didn't get any

[84:14]trippinings out of the deal.

[84:15]I do feel,

[84:19]I am drunk with power now

[84:20]with my credit card

[84:22]too.

[84:22]Rob and Jenny took me

[84:24]to some place

[84:24]where we had to buy

[84:25]bone marrow.

[84:25]I could have just gotten

[84:26]Jack Daniels wings

[84:28]and chilies with them

[84:29]if I would have went

[84:30]a week earlier.

[84:30]They brought it out

[84:33]and Jenny's like,

[84:33]Jane goes,

[84:34]this is the biggest bone

[84:35]I've seen by far, ever.

[84:37]Yeah, there was,

[84:40]there was no argument

[84:41]from either of us

[84:42]when she said that either.

[84:42]Here we're going back

[84:46]to church.

[84:46]Yeah, we're taking him

[84:47]back to church.

[84:48]This is where he's really,

[84:49]he's preaching now.

[84:49]He's letting you know,

[84:50]like, this is it.

[84:51]This is,

[84:52]this is what I feel.

[84:53]Oh, so good.

[84:57]And this is where

[84:59]the sheets of sound

[85:00]come back, right?

[85:01]Where like,

[85:01]this is what,

[85:02]you know,

[85:02]him just playing

[85:03]these like extended runs

[85:04]that everybody,

[85:05]you know,

[85:06]knew him for.

[85:06]Well, yeah,

[85:08]especially when we heard

[85:09]that with,

[85:09]on that Miles Davis

[85:10]kind of blue

[85:11]and not kind of cool

[85:12]as some people

[85:13]have named it.

[85:14]Here we have

[85:15]Pursuit of the End of It

[85:16]with the bass solo here.

[85:18]Yeah, and this,

[85:22]so this is the reason

[85:23]why.

[85:23]This is the clip you picked.

[85:25]I mean.

[85:26]Yeah, because you got to hear,

[85:28]you got to give it up

[85:28]for Jimmy Garrison.

[85:29]We got to give credit

[85:30]to everybody in the quartet, man.

[85:31]It's a,

[85:32]it's a team effort.

[85:33]Do you think they made fun

[85:34]of one of their players a lot?

[85:35]Like as a joke,

[85:37]but like also like

[85:38]to show that they're

[85:38]really good friends with them

[85:39]and to be nice to them

[85:40]and try to include them.

[85:41]Sometimes they like

[85:44]made fun of their playing

[85:45]too much

[85:46]and they felt bad about it

[85:46]and had to like do

[85:47]a lot of stuff actually.

[85:48]Take a lot of time

[85:49]to apologize to them.

[85:50]Part of me thinks I should,

[85:52]I should have been

[85:52]a stand-up bass player

[85:53]in my high school,

[85:54]middle school band

[85:55]because like I could have

[85:56]easily plucked those notes

[85:57]that that guy just played.

[85:58]That's the most Russell

[86:01]thing I've ever heard you say

[86:02]of like,

[86:02]I can do that.

[86:03]I'm not saying everything else

[86:05]wasn't extremely difficult

[86:07]and talented,

[86:07]but the clip there

[86:08]for that Eric Gamus

[86:09]wasn't that overwhelming.

[86:10]You got to give it up

[86:11]for everybody on this,

[86:12]on this album, man.

[86:13]You can't leave anybody out.

[86:14]Now presenting Russell

[86:16]with a bass solo

[86:17]and we're just like

[86:18]fireworks are going off.

[86:18]Everybody's cheering

[86:19]and Russell comes out

[86:20]and does this.

[86:20]I got my baby.

[86:22]Baby back, baby back,

[86:23]baby back.

[86:23]I got my baby back,

[86:24]baby back, baby back.

[86:25]Just slow bass play.

[86:27]It's like, okay.

[86:28]But he did originally

[86:31]intend for there to be

[86:32]two basses on the,

[86:33]on the recording.

[86:34]The second day

[86:35]of recording had,

[86:35]I think it's Art Davis

[86:37]and then in Seattle

[86:38]it was Donald Raphael Garrett

[86:40]and he wanted one bass

[86:41]played with the bow

[86:42]and one bass played

[86:43]pizzicato with the,

[86:43]with the plucking.

[86:45]Well, and they did that

[86:46]a little bit on Psalm here,

[86:47]right?

[86:47]There's some,

[86:47]there's some things

[86:48]that they,

[86:48]maybe they double tracked

[86:49]a bit on this last song.

[86:51]Yeah, I think

[86:52]they did do some overdubbing.

[86:53]That's true.

[86:53]All right.

[86:54]So this is the first song,

[86:55]Russell,

[86:55]but it's also the first song.

[86:57]Okay.

[86:57]What song are we on?

[86:59]This is the last song.

[87:01]This is it.

[87:02]He's praying, man.

[87:03]Hey man,

[87:04]if you look at Spotify,

[87:05]there's four songs.

[87:06]I know you guys

[87:06]are more advanced,

[87:07]but the rest of our

[87:08]dump sheet listeners

[87:09]don't know that.

[87:10]Well, that's like

[87:10]my greatest hit

[87:11]of golf albums

[87:12]I put out too.

[87:13]It's got the drive song,

[87:14]the putt song

[87:14]and the four song.

[87:15]Four.

[87:18]It's on.

[87:22]It's hard to talk

[87:23]when John's doing this,

[87:25]right?

[87:25]Like,

[87:25]that's it.

[87:27]He's,

[87:27]he's,

[87:27]he's,

[87:28]he's closing out.

[87:28]He's praying.

[87:29]I find it's easy

[87:30]to talk all the time.

[87:31]I almost never stop.

[87:32]It's never a problem.

[87:33]Yeah.

[87:33]Jenny was next to me.

[87:34]She goes,

[87:35]you are constantly

[87:35]making noise all the time.

[87:36]I have a headband

[87:38]so I couldn't hear

[87:39]what she said.

[87:39]I was like,

[87:39]what?

[87:40]He's had your

[87:41]VR guy on the side.

[87:42]When I was,

[87:46]when I was reading

[87:47]about this album,

[87:48]I was looking for a cocktail

[87:49]and I came across

[87:50]this book called

[87:50]The Essential New York Time

[87:52]Book of Cocktails.

[87:53]And they had this essay

[87:54]in the New York Times

[87:55]Book of Cocktails

[87:56]about this bar

[87:57]in Midtown Manhattan

[87:58]called the Mac Bar.

[87:59]I don't know if you've

[88:00]ever been there, Rob.

[88:01]Is that the,

[88:02]is that the big one?

[88:03]It's the Big Mac Bar.

[88:05]Yeah,

[88:05]that's what I'm talking about.

[88:06]Yum, yum, yum.

[88:06]God,

[88:08]what if Big Mac

[88:08]wasn't a bar shape?

[88:10]It's that daddy,

[88:10]that daddy bar.

[88:11]I would love to return

[88:12]to that bar.

[88:12]But they often,

[88:14]I think on certain nights

[88:15]there,

[88:15]they often play,

[88:16]they have a turntable

[88:18]on the back bar

[88:18]and they often play

[88:19]a Love Supreme at the bar.

[88:21]They were saying

[88:21]in this essay

[88:22]in the Essential Book

[88:23]of Cocktails,

[88:24]they often play that.

[88:25]So they didn't list

[88:26]what people order for it.

[88:27]So I looked around

[88:27]and it turns out

[88:28]there's actually a drink

[88:29]called a John Coltrane.

[88:30]You guys want to know

[88:31]what's in the drink?

[88:32]I don't know.

[88:33]Do we have time

[88:33]for Russell's drink?

[88:34]Yes, Russell.

[88:34]It's got to just be

[88:35]holy water

[88:35]and nothing else, right?

[88:36]It's got vodka.

[88:38]Rob,

[88:40]you need to drop in

[88:41]all the James Brown

[88:42]when I say my ingredients.

[88:42]Oh my God,

[88:43]are we doing that still?

[88:44]It's got to be a thing though.

[88:47]And then Cherry Coke.

[88:52]And that's it.

[88:52]It's just vodka

[88:53]and Cherry Coke.

[88:54]That's a John Coltrane.

[88:55]Woo!

[88:56]Oh God,

[88:57]I hit two bags in my bed.

[88:59]Let's see,

[89:00]who's a better musician,

[89:01]Rob on GarageBand

[89:02]or James Brown, man?

[89:03]Let's listen to this.

[89:04]One of the coolest things

[89:06]in the essay though,

[89:06]they said,

[89:07]you can listen to Coltrane

[89:09]when you're eating

[89:10]or drinking,

[89:10]awake or sleeping.

[89:11]Well, guess what, guys?

[89:13]I'm listening to Coltrane

[89:14]and I'm awake.

[89:15]So I'm having this cocktail

[89:16]tonight and I'm enjoying

[89:17]every bit of it.

[89:17]Love it.

[89:18]So good.

[89:19]That actually sounds good to me.

[89:20]Now, Russell,

[89:21]I'm going to ask you.

[89:22]I'm going to ask you this.

[89:22]Did you actually have

[89:23]Cherry Coke at home?

[89:24]No, I didn't.

[89:26]But I think this is,

[89:27]I think this is a fair switch.

[89:29]Uh-oh.

[89:30]I didn't have a,

[89:31]I had to have vodka,

[89:32]so the vodka made it in there.

[89:33]Okay, what else?

[89:34]And I did not have

[89:35]a Cherry Coke,

[89:36]but I wasn't going to go

[89:36]buy a Cherry Coke.

[89:37]What looks like a cherry?

[89:37]Would you say like an apple

[89:38]kind of looks like a cherry?

[89:39]I had maraschino cherries,

[89:41]so I just dumped some juice

[89:42]into the thing

[89:43]and then mixed it with that.

[89:44]That's pretty good.

[89:44]And I figure that counts, right?

[89:46]That's probably even more fancy

[89:48]than a regular John Coltrane.

[89:49]Definitely.

[89:49]That's even better than Cherry Coke.

[89:50]Even better.

[89:51]That's so good.

[89:52]And here's the end.

[89:53]Speaking of great things,

[89:54]end of the album.

[89:54]Listen to him blast in here.

[89:56]Right.

[89:57]He's saying,

[89:58]thank you, God.

[89:58]Amen.

[89:59]Where's the timpani?

[90:02]The timpani.

[90:02]There's Russell's timpani.

[90:03]Also known as the kettle drum.

[90:05]And he goes back to the,

[90:07]like, the way he opened the album.

[90:09]Yeah.

[90:09]Did you know that

[90:11]that drum was invented

[90:12]by a guy named Mr. Penny?

[90:14]I guess what his first name was.

[90:16]It was Tim.

[90:19]Tim Penny?

[90:20]Yeah.

[90:20]The guy that ran for governor

[90:23]of Minnesota in 1984?

[90:25]Aaron's so mad.

[90:26]It's like, oh, Aaron,

[90:28]here's your favorite album.

[90:29]Ah, but that timpani joke

[90:30]was so good.

[90:31]That was a good joke.

[90:32]No, I can't front it.

[90:33]It's a good joke.

[90:34]I like that one.

[90:34]Also, the local connection

[90:36]of the former

[90:37]gubernatorial candidate.

[90:39]Tim Penny.

[90:40]Yeah.

[90:42]Wow.

[90:43]Matt already made that joke.

[90:45]Well, because I was going to say,

[90:46]if Tim Penny,

[90:47]when he was running

[90:48]for governor,

[90:49]Minnesota,

[90:49]if he didn't come out

[90:50]every time to this,

[90:51]he had to have

[90:52]an entrance song, right?

[90:53]I'm Tim Penny.

[90:55]I'm Tim Penny.

[90:57]Woo!

[90:58]Who is the wrestler

[91:04]that came out to this wrestling?

[91:05]That would be

[91:06]the Nature Boy,

[91:07]Ric Flair.

[91:07]Woo!

[91:08]One of the greatest

[91:12]entrants of all time.

[91:13]So good.

[91:14]Again,

[91:15]the idea of somebody

[91:16]who's just too cool

[91:17]and rich to be in wrestling.

[91:18]One of my favorites

[91:19]and one of my favorite

[91:19]ideas of all time.

[91:20]I'm so rich,

[91:21]but God damn it

[91:22]if I don't love

[91:22]putting people in headlocks.

[91:23]If I were wrestler Tim Penny,

[91:25]I would walk down

[91:26]with like a bubble gum machine

[91:27]and then kids would put pennies

[91:28]in there and get

[91:29]a bubble gum

[91:30]from Mr.

[91:31]Tim Penny,

[91:32]the Nature Boy.

[91:33]And what song would they play?

[91:34]That's a timpani right there.

[91:38]By the way,

[91:38]did you hear the million dollar man

[91:42]owes like $2.4 million

[91:44]to the state?

[91:45]He owes like $2.4 billion

[91:46]pennies is what he owes.

[91:48]To Alabama.

[91:49]To Alabama.

[91:49]He frauded him

[91:51]out of $2.4 million.

[91:52]He's a billion dollar petty,

[91:53]the billion petty man.

[91:55]And he comes out in court.

[91:56]Your honor,

[91:59]Tim pennies are too many to pay.

[92:02]I can't.

[92:02]All right.

[92:04]Guys,

[92:05]if you would have thought yourself,

[92:07]how many timpani jokes

[92:08]can Rob make?

[92:09]And the answer was over one.

[92:10]Guess what?

[92:11]We nailed it.

[92:12]We got infinite jokes.

[92:13]Although to be fair,

[92:14]Aaron did the Tim Penny joke,

[92:15]which is so funny.

[92:16]Yeah,

[92:16]we had a very serious podcast

[92:17]here that Aaron had to take

[92:18]at the dump.

[92:19]We did dumps with a Tim Penny joke.

[92:20]Yeah.

[92:20]Thanks a lot, Aaron.

[92:22]Thanks a lot, Aaron.

[92:24]Way to go, Aaron.

[92:25]Aaron's ruining our Tim Penny podcast

[92:26]with all this jazz talk.

[92:27]Don't worry, guys.

[92:30]Tonight's Daily Savings.

[92:31]We can do this for you.

[92:31]This is actually only

[92:32]a one hour podcast today.

[92:33]Because it's Daily Savings.

[92:34]So when people look,

[92:35]they're going to say,

[92:36]oh, an hour.

[92:36]But it's because the time,

[92:38]it goes back, actually.

[92:39]So not a big deal.

[92:40]So Aaron,

[92:41]explain to me why you made me

[92:43]download these other songs.

[92:44]I made you download

[92:45]these other songs

[92:46]because

[92:47]Wise One,

[92:49]which I can see

[92:50]is the second song

[92:51]you got there,

[92:52]was recorded in,

[92:53]as part of

[92:54]the Coltrane Quartet's

[92:56]album,

[92:56]Crescent,

[92:57]which was recorded,

[92:58]I think,

[92:59]in like February or March

[93:01]of 1964.

[93:02]So go ahead and play

[93:03]just like a little bit

[93:04]of that, Rob.

[93:05]Matt just got up

[93:07]and walked away

[93:08]because I was going to be like,

[93:08]why is Wise One?

[93:09]Why is Matt leaving

[93:10]when the Wise One is playing?

[93:12]Yeah,

[93:13]why is not two?

[93:14]Why is not three?

[93:15]So you can hear a little bit

[93:17]of where the Coltrane sounds.

[93:18]This is from a different album.

[93:19]Different album here?

[93:19]Different album,

[93:20]but only recorded

[93:22]maybe six months before

[93:24]Love Supreme.

[93:25]So things are starting

[93:28]to head in the

[93:29]Love Supreme direction,

[93:30]but you know.

[93:32]But it feels much more

[93:33]familiar, right?

[93:34]It feels much more

[93:34]like a song you would have

[93:35]heard before.

[93:36]Yeah,

[93:37]and he's doing a little bit

[93:38]of the flourishes

[93:39]that he's known for,

[93:40]but he's playing

[93:41]long phrases,

[93:42]kind of smooth.

[93:44]Yeah.

[93:44]The drums are like

[93:46]laying down a groove.

[93:47]So that's about

[93:47]six months before

[93:48]Love Supreme.

[93:49]That song was called

[93:49]Wise One,

[93:50]but I said,

[93:50]why is not two?

[93:52]You know?

[93:52]Why isn't it on two?

[93:55]Yeah,

[93:56]well,

[93:56]that's another song,

[93:58]Russell,

[93:58]but not Psalm.

[93:59]Don't be confused.

[93:59]And now you can hear

[94:00]Ascension,

[94:00]which was recorded

[94:03]maybe just six months

[94:04]after Love Supreme.

[94:05]And now

[94:06]John Coltrane

[94:08]has blown the doors

[94:09]off of jazz

[94:10]in general.

[94:10]Now he's got a huge

[94:12]group.

[94:14]So this is still

[94:15]his quartet

[94:15]plus Pharaoh Sanders

[94:17]plus Dewey Johnson

[94:19]on jazz.

[94:19]He's got a trumpet,

[94:19]maybe another bass

[94:21]in there,

[94:21]and he's fully

[94:23]embraced free jazz.

[94:24]You can see where

[94:24]he went just six months

[94:25]after Love Supreme.

[94:27]Let's check it out.

[94:27]Oh,

[94:29]it's like a big band.

[94:30]It's a big band.

[94:32]It's very loose.

[94:33]It's very free.

[94:34]And this is what

[94:35]his live Seattle version

[94:36]of it sounds like to me.

[94:37]It sounds very similar

[94:38]to this.

[94:39]Yeah.

[94:40]Like more,

[94:40]just chaos.

[94:41]Right.

[94:42]So,

[94:43]but it wasn't chaos,

[94:44]at least from what you read.

[94:46]I mean,

[94:46]he was giving cues

[94:47]in terms of

[94:48]where should the music go?

[94:49]Who's going to take a solo?

[94:50]What's happening?

[94:51]I can't really hear it,

[94:52]you know,

[94:53]but like to him,

[94:54]it was structured.

[94:54]And this is how quickly

[94:57]his music was moving.

[94:58]So we heard

[94:58]Wise One from

[94:59]March or April of 64,

[95:01]Love Supreme from

[95:02]December of 64,

[95:03]and then you hear

[95:04]Ascension from 1965.

[95:05]And like,

[95:06]that's how quickly

[95:07]jazz was moving

[95:07]and John Coltrane's

[95:09]music was moving.

[95:09]I think part of it

[95:11]is that this is kind of

[95:11]this new form of avant-garde

[95:13]that he was doing,

[95:14]right, Aaron?

[95:15]Would you agree with me

[95:16]and say maybe that's

[95:16]a smart thing I said?

[95:17]No, it isn't smart,

[95:19]but,

[95:19]that's the thing,

[95:19]that's what I love

[95:20]talking to you guys

[95:21]about music for,

[95:22]is that,

[95:22]yeah,

[95:23]if you hear it as

[95:24]disjointed,

[95:25]it makes sense.

[95:26]It's four guys in a room

[95:27]on one day

[95:28]in their lives

[95:30]and they played

[95:30]hundreds of shows together,

[95:32]but if that's what you hear

[95:33]is that it's disjointed,

[95:34]then that's what it is.

[95:35]That's amazing.

[95:36]It's a lot like this podcast.

[95:38]Matt?

[95:39]Matt,

[95:40]your thoughts?

[95:41]Well,

[95:42]I mean,

[95:43]I think,

[95:44]Russell,

[95:44]you do,

[95:45]and then like,

[95:45]you know,

[95:46]to me personally,

[95:47]because I was

[95:49]starting to listen to jazz

[95:51]like,

[95:51]oh,

[95:51]kind of like Rosie,

[95:52]like,

[95:52]I should probably

[95:53]kind of understand

[95:54]why everybody thinks

[95:55]this stuff's cool,

[95:56]you know,

[95:56]at first,

[95:57]and then I did watch

[95:58]that Ken Burns documentary

[95:59]about jazz.

[96:00]It was like

[96:01]48,000 hours

[96:03]just about jazz

[96:04]and it was actually great,

[96:05]you know,

[96:06]but you realize

[96:07]that there is

[96:08]a huge structure

[96:09]behind everything,

[96:10]right?

[96:10]It's like,

[96:11]how far out

[96:12]of fields can I go

[96:14]before bringing it back in

[96:15]and then getting right back

[96:17]to where everybody's

[96:17]right back on sync again,

[96:18]right?

[96:18]And I think,

[96:19]when you're John Coltrane

[96:20]and you're leading a quartet,

[96:21]you know,

[96:21]you're leading

[96:22]three other guys,

[96:22]like,

[96:23]it's really important

[96:23]that you have time

[96:24]and this is the rating system,

[96:25]let's get to the rating system.

[96:25]So,

[96:29]here's what I'm thinking,

[96:30]guys,

[96:30]right?

[96:30]This song,

[96:32]this had four songs,

[96:33]one song,

[96:33]as Russell pointed out.

[96:34]I think this episode

[96:36]is as long as

[96:37]James Brown's Star Time.

[96:38]I'm pretty sure

[96:39]that we're right there.

[96:40]We're close,

[96:41]but guess what?

[96:41]It was so good.

[96:42]Aaron,

[96:42]Aaron,

[96:42]I got to

[96:43]hats off to you again,

[96:44]okay?

[96:44]Nobody listens

[96:45]to the actual music talk.

[96:46]Thank you for listening

[96:47]to me talk about

[96:48]one of my favorite albums

[96:49]of all time.

[96:49]Aaron,

[96:51]we weren't listening to you.

[96:52]I'm sorry,

[96:52]Aaron,

[96:52]it's not working.

[96:54]This episode's not working out.

[96:55]All right,

[96:55]so,

[96:56]let's get into

[96:57]the rating system

[96:58]because we don't have

[96:58]a lot of time.

[96:59]I'm going to just

[96:59]explain it real quick

[97:00]to each one of you

[97:01]separately as we go here.

[97:02]Is this album,

[97:04]this album is at 66.

[97:06]Now,

[97:06]this is a jazz album,

[97:08]okay?

[97:08]Rolling Stone magazine.

[97:09]Hmm,

[97:09]let me see.

[97:10]Top jazz magazines.

[97:11]Nope,

[97:11]not on there,

[97:12]but they picked

[97:13]A Love Supreme

[97:15]as the 66th best album

[97:17]of all,

[97:18]of all time.

[97:19]Okay,

[97:19]it actually fell down

[97:20]a couple slots

[97:21]from the original list.

[97:22]But is this album

[97:23]a rolling well-toned?

[97:24]66 is right

[97:25]where it belongs.

[97:26]You know what?

[97:26]This is a little bit worse

[97:28]than Steely Dan Aja

[97:29]and a little bit better

[97:31]than all the albums

[97:32]that are coming after

[97:32]including Journey

[97:33]or whatever the fuck

[97:33]is coming up next.

[97:34]It's Asia,

[97:34]isn't it?

[97:35]Damn it.

[97:36]God damn it.

[97:37]Start over.

[97:38]Start over.

[97:39]We got daylight savings

[97:40]so we can start this over.

[97:41]Okay.

[97:42]Okay,

[97:44]so just to let you guys know,

[97:45]the opening bit this time,

[97:46]there's a little bit of improv

[97:47]that we have

[97:48]to do.

[97:48]So let's all think

[97:49]of funny things to say.

[97:50]And I definitely

[97:51]didn't make the steps

[97:52]going upstairs

[97:52]way too quiet

[97:53]for how this goes.

[97:55]Or is this album

[97:57]a rolling bone?

[97:59]Okay,

[97:59]it should not

[98:00]be at 66.

[98:01]It should be lower

[98:02]on the list

[98:02]which is a lower number.

[98:04]If you're thinking

[98:05]about the list

[98:05]like I am

[98:06]where we're climbing

[98:07]up one,

[98:08]two,

[98:08]three,

[98:09]four.

[98:09]We're going up the list

[98:10]also going up in numbers.

[98:12]Up,

[98:13]up,

[98:13]up,

[98:13]we're adding on

[98:14]that calculator

[98:14]and that would be

[98:15]a rolling bone

[98:16]if we should have

[98:17]seen it already.

[98:18]We should pass by.

[98:18]We should have been like,

[98:19]oh,

[98:19]look,

[98:19]there's that album.

[98:20]But no,

[98:20]this is,

[98:21]we're at the peak

[98:21]of where we are right now

[98:22]and that's where

[98:23]this album is.

[98:24]Or did this,

[98:25]is this a rolling groan?

[98:26]Okay,

[98:27]you did not like the album.

[98:28]You don't think

[98:29]it should be here.

[98:29]You think Aaron's

[98:30]a real dumb shit

[98:31]for thinking this album

[98:32]is so good

[98:33]and knowing so much

[98:33]about it

[98:34]when really

[98:35]we just kind of

[98:36]started this podcast

[98:36]to tell jokes

[98:37]and then it actually

[98:38]turned into quite a bit

[98:39]of our time of the week

[98:39]is actually getting devoted

[98:40]to this album

[98:41]to the point where

[98:42]it's kind of actually

[98:43]taking a toll

[98:44]on our mental health.

[98:45]And it's actually,

[98:46]I wanted to talk to you guys

[98:46]about that,

[98:47]but we can do it

[98:47]after the podcast.

[98:48]Aaron,

[98:49]actually,

[98:50]I'll let you go.

[98:51]I was going to just say

[98:54]something super depressing

[98:55]then ask Aaron

[98:55]to talk about the album,

[98:56]but I got to have him

[98:58]talk last.

[98:58]Russell,

[98:59]what do you think

[98:59]of this album?

[99:00]Rolling well-toned,

[99:01]rolling bone,

[99:01]or rolling groan?

[99:02]And again,

[99:03]my mental health.

[99:04]My first listen to it,

[99:05]like I said,

[99:06]I thought it was

[99:07]kind of disjointed,

[99:07]but I also understand

[99:08]that there's so much more

[99:09]than I understand.

[99:10]I'm not a huge jazz person.

[99:12]Matt and Aaron

[99:13]know so much more about jazz.

[99:14]Matt's talked about

[99:15]that documentary before.

[99:16]I really should have

[99:17]watched that before,

[99:18]but part of the quest for me

[99:21]is enjoying other people,

[99:24]enjoying music too,

[99:25]and watching Aaron enjoy it,

[99:26]watching the way

[99:27]Matt talked about it,

[99:28]and ignoring Rob

[99:29]whenever he talked

[99:30]about the music

[99:30]was really a fun time for me.

[99:32]And I will also say that

[99:34]I feel like this is an album

[99:36]I can put on in my car

[99:38]if I'm picking up a date,

[99:39]and I can seem like

[99:40]a sophisticated dude

[99:41]if I'm listening

[99:42]to a Love Supreme.

[99:43]So I'm going to say

[99:43]rolling well-toned,

[99:44]I enjoy it.

[99:45]Or you can put it in the car

[99:47]after getting hit in the dates

[99:49]by a stone

[99:50]that your kid threw

[99:50]to calm down

[99:51]and not be so furious.

[99:52]They'll be like,

[99:55]we're on movement four

[99:56]of Psalm 7 of this date,

[99:58]and they'll be like,

[99:58]wow, this guy is impressive.

[100:00]Yeah, and it's so funny

[100:00]because I guarantee Aaron

[100:01]getting his kid

[100:02]throwing a rock at him

[100:03]and punching him in the nuts

[100:05]is not even the worst time

[100:06]he's had parenting.

[100:07]Like, I guarantee

[100:07]that's like not great,

[100:08]but it's not the worst.

[100:10]It's like, oh,

[100:10]it's been worse

[100:11]than getting hit in the nuts

[100:12]and getting a rock thrown at you.

[100:13]Matt, what do you think?

[100:14]Rolling well-toned,

[100:14]rolling bone,

[100:15]or rolling groan?

[100:17]I think we talk about it

[100:18]every week.

[100:19]You know, it's hard to figure out

[100:21]where this, you know,

[100:23]matches up against, you know,

[100:25]like Appetite for Destruction, right?

[100:26]Like, how do you put

[100:27]John Coltrane versus

[100:28]Guns N' Roses?

[100:29]Guns N' Roses albums.

[100:31]So you just kind of put it

[100:34]in perspective of

[100:35]how influential the album was,

[100:37]you know, with all these albums

[100:40]because it's not about

[100:41]the best album of all time,

[100:42]just how influential it was.

[100:43]Everybody's voting on it.

[100:45]And so for that reason,

[100:46]I mean, you know,

[100:47]Kind of Blue was ahead of it.

[100:49]I don't know if I like

[100:51]Kind of Blue better

[100:52]than this album.

[100:53]I certainly think that

[100:55]A Love Supreme is way up there

[100:56]in terms of the jazz albums

[100:58]that I can understand.

[101:00]Let's put it that way.

[101:01]And so for that reason,

[101:02]you know, I just don't think

[101:04]you can judge it

[101:05]against the other genres

[101:07]like you can like rock albums.

[101:09]So I'm just going to say

[101:10]it's rolling well-toned.

[101:11]All right.

[101:13]So that is it for today.

[101:15]I'll see you guys later.

[101:15]Let's have a good one.

[101:16]Matt's been doing

[101:19]the Jake and Snake DDT motion

[101:20]all night.

[101:21]That was a good episode.

[101:23]Next up, Journey.

[101:27]You got the final joke.

[101:29]Greatest hits of Journey.

[101:30]Yeah, I got it.

[101:30]Kenny G coming up

[101:32]playing the Soprano sax.

[101:33]Probably inspired

[101:34]by John Coltrane's

[101:35]work on impressions.

[101:36]That's my favorite thing.

[101:37]We should really turn off

[101:39]our recorders right now.

[101:40]That would be the ultimate

[101:41]recording joke.

[101:42]I think we're done recording.

[101:43]Everybody.

[101:43]Okay, Aaron.

[101:45]What do you think

[101:46]of this album?

[101:47]And keep in mind

[101:49]that this podcast

[101:50]is taking quite a toll.

[101:51]I mean, it's kind of a

[101:52]I mean, what am I going

[101:53]to say about this album

[101:54]that other people

[101:55]who are smarter about this

[101:56]have not already said?

[101:57]This is a rolling well-toned.

[101:59]That means it's perfect

[101:59]X-66.

[102:00]A rolling groan,

[102:01]something in a rolling bone,

[102:03]something else.

[102:03]You guys know I'm going

[102:05]to say this is rolling boned

[102:06]because of course

[102:07]I'm going to say that.

[102:08]I would have said

[102:10]there's no way

[102:11]that we can categorize

[102:12]this album in the context

[102:13]of any other music.

[102:14]It's, it's,

[102:15]it's just up there

[102:16]with some of the most

[102:17]celestial powerful pieces

[102:19]of music that I've ever heard.

[102:20]But the reason that I will

[102:21]call it rolling boned

[102:22]is that I do think

[102:24]that number one,

[102:25]this is one of the greatest

[102:26]bands ever assembled.

[102:28]These guys played together

[102:29]so perfectly

[102:30]and every note is a marvel.

[102:33]And secondly,

[102:34]I think it was,

[102:35]as Matt pointed out,

[102:36]very influential on people

[102:38]like John Bonham,

[102:39]Carlos Santana,

[102:41]other rock and roll figures.

[102:43]And so I think

[102:44]in the context of the

[102:45]Rolling Stone list,

[102:46]it influenced a lot of things

[102:48]that came that were

[102:49]higher on the list

[102:50]than this one,

[102:51]which means a lower number

[102:52]higher on the list.

[102:53]So I'm going to call it

[102:54]a rolling boned,

[102:56]but I think John Coltrane

[102:57]would not care

[102:58]as long as we're all listening

[102:59]and we're getting

[102:59]something out of this music

[103:01]and we're thinking about

[103:02]something greater than ourselves.

[103:03]That's what matters.

[103:04]So Aaron didn't really like it.

[103:06]And that's fine.

[103:06]The correct answer is,

[103:09]by the way,

[103:09]this is,

[103:10]and it's tough

[103:11]because like you think

[103:12]about this album

[103:13]and it's like,

[103:13]it's a deep message to God.

[103:15]And it's like,

[103:15]how do I talk about this album

[103:16]in a way that gives

[103:18]John Coltrane,

[103:19]you know,

[103:20]credit for what he did?

[103:21]I mean,

[103:22]he's been on every jazz album

[103:23]we've done so far.

[103:23]Like he's the,

[103:24]he's the key to all this.

[103:26]And that's why this gets

[103:27]a rolling saxophone.

[103:28]There's a lot of saxophone on this.

[103:30]Yes.

[103:30]Yes.

[103:31]Perfect.

[103:31]Technically correct.

[103:32]True.

[103:33]Guys,

[103:35]what does,

[103:35]what,

[103:36]what does Gwen Stefani have

[103:38]that,

[103:39]that none of,

[103:40]that Jay-Z has a reasonable

[103:42]amount of?

[103:42]Doubt.

[103:45]Next week we got

[103:45]Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z.

[103:47]Jay-Z's back.

[103:49]Man,

[103:52]we listened to Reasonable Doubt

[103:53]the other day.

[103:53]That band,

[103:54]or No Doubt the other day.

[103:55]Jeez,

[103:56]I messed it up.

[103:56]We listened to No Doubt

[103:58]the other day.

[103:58]That band is super fun.

[104:00]Are they on the list?

[104:00]I love listening to No Doubt.

[104:02]Kind of like a sky pop.

[104:07]Yeah,

[104:07]I was,

[104:07]I was kind of running off

[104:08]as like,

[104:09]ah,

[104:09]they broke the sky wave.

[104:10]Oh no.

[104:11]Oh no.

[104:12]Seriously guys.

[104:13]What's wrong?

[104:14]I didn't push record

[104:15]on anything.

[104:16]Oh well,

[104:16]we'll just skip this episode.

[104:17]No big deal.

[104:18]We'll go right to Jay-Z.

[104:20]You guys know

[104:22]you can go to Chili's

[104:23]and get a three for $10?

[104:24]Three for 10,

[104:25]a non-alcoholic drink,

[104:26]an appetizer,

[104:27]and an entree.

[104:28]10 bucks.

[104:28]That's what you were supposed

[104:30]to pay for an hour

[104:31]at the karaoke bar

[104:32]before you fucked them over,

[104:33]Rob.

[104:33]I would pay $0.

[104:35]You pay for it,

[104:38]and you pay the $10 cover

[104:40]you would pay $2 or not.

[104:41]Yeah,

[104:41]we said,

[104:42]we'll give them the money.

[104:42]Guys,

[104:43]we don't need to relitigate this.

[104:44]Like literally,

[104:45]it's got to be taken

[104:45]off the podcast.

[104:46]I'll get you in trouble.

[104:46]It's getting litigated

[104:49]the first time,

[104:50]actually.

[104:50]The karaoke place

[104:51]is taking me to court.

[104:52]Rob V.

[104:53]Karaoke Place.

[104:55]Supreme Court.

[104:57]Rob V.

[104:59]Chili apostrophe.

[105:00]In front of the Supreme Court,

[105:03]Rob started by saying,

[105:04]hey,

[105:04]have you guys listened

[105:05]to my podcast?

[105:06]The justice said,

[105:08]oh yeah,

[105:09]we'll get to that.

[105:09]Did not ask for the name

[105:10]of the podcast.

[105:11]Did not want that

[105:11]entered into the record.

[105:12]Don't you know why?

[105:13]That's later on the docket,

[105:14]which is the United States

[105:16]for suspected it better

[105:17]for a copyright infringement.

[105:18]We're going to delete that shit.

[105:20]Stop recording.

[105:21]Everyone stop recording.

[105:22]I did so long ago,

[105:24]like an hour in.

[105:24]All right.