Lucinda Williams: Car Wheels on a Gravel Road (1998)

[00:00]In 2020, four friends decided to listen to every one of the greatest 500 albums as decided by Rolling Stone magazine. This resulted in a text chain that celebrated the music, excoriated the order, and led us to making this podcast. We are far from experts. We promise to do almost no research. All opinions are our own, unless you disagree. Please sit back and enjoy. Beck did it better. We are up to album 98. And this is from 1998. 98. 98. 98. This is Car Wheels on a gravel. Matt doesn't get that. This is Car Wheels on a gravel road by Lucinda Williams. I got to say this, just to tell you guys. We are to the point where finding karaoke tracks of some of these songs is exceedingly difficult. Whoever made this karaoke track had the brilliant idea of when the people are singing just to cut the volume way down. So if it sounds weird, just to let you know, I understand. I didn't want to deal with it. Okay, here we go. What's up, everybody?

[01:00]Welcome to K-Rob. K-Rob. K-R-O-B. Tonight we're out live at the Honky Tonk Bar. We're listening to a song about what happens when a podcast that goes through a list of 500 albums eventually gets to the end. What are we going to do? Well, I suppose we could just end or maybe not do this anymore, but some of us really, really need attention. Oh, Matt. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing the show till the end of the list, but what will we talk about? But after this, when the list is over, what will we cover on the show? What? It's like eight years from now. We could cover documentaries or the best-selling singles of the 70s. When the list is over, what will we cover on the show? A hundred songs, ten episodes, wouldn't be so long. On tour, we'll go.

[02:00]Yes. We tour all year, banging groupies. We could totally ditch our families. When this is over, we'll just hit the road. Well, we'll do it for years. We'll all get VD. Then we'll make a famous documentary. Then we'll review it on our final show. Final show, yeah. But we'll stop doing any of this because until you get over, we'll starve to death. There will never, ever, ever, ever be an end to the show. All right. Uh-oh, man. Zoom just turned off. When you want to hear about the greatest albums of all time. Talk about depressing. What? No. Get up online. We should check in with some, like, insurance tables or something to see the probability that all four of us last the next eight years. Live that long? No way. No. Can we not do this while I'm mixing my drinks here, Matt? This is getting a little real for me. Oof.

[03:00]That's intense. Let's not get into, like, our triglycerides or whatever the doctor said. I don't know. I wasn't really listening. It's not a big deal. Listen, this is Beck Did It Better. We are stuck in our Sisyphean ordeal where we are going through the Rolling Stone top 500 albums of all time. And we are talking about each one of them. This week, we've got Lucinda Williams, car tires on a gravel road. But I can't talk about it by myself. I simply, I don't know why, actually. I couldn't do this by myself. But I do have with me a couple guys here. I got Russell in Minnesota. Russell, how are you doing? Oh, Rob, not a day goes by when I don't think about you. You left your mark on me. And it's permanent. A tattoo. Seriously, Rob, do you think a tattoo of your face on my ass looks more authentic with a rat tail or not? I would just be worried that if you gained a bunch of weight, the tattoo on your face on your ass would look like me from a kid to what I look like now, where I look like a tattoo on somebody's expanded ass. If you didn't get the joke, I spelled it out there. I've got Matt in Minneapolis. Matt, how are you doing today? Good. I've actually listened to a couple past episodes.

[04:00]And I realize that, like, I really bring down the episode when I say, good, Rob. Thanks for having me. You guys have, Russell and Rosie always have these good, like, quips and everything. Rosie says, let's talk about whatever. And so I think you should just skip me from now on. Let's hear what you prepared today. Then, because, you know, this is an issue. And what did you prepare for today? Good, Rob. Thanks for having me. Love the energy. I think it's great. Excellent. Listen, out in, unfortunately, today, we are missing someone. Aaron's not here tonight because he just got a big check from Vince McMahon. Oh, that's so weird. I wonder what that's about. That's so strange. Aaron, California. How are you doing, Aaron? Homey's back. I didn't know you were a paralegal. I don't even know what that joke's about. Let's stay up until we smell the coffee, eggs, and bacon. Let's talk about Lucinda Williams. Let's get into our voicemail. It is a huge part of my life, I will say. Voicemail? We got another voicemail?

[05:00]We're actually getting lots of voicemails. For real? I enjoy it. How do you get a hold of the voicemail? You can get a hold of the voicemail. 218. Oh, that's your cell phone. Eight. What is it? No. 802. You get a hold of the voicemail with 802-277-BAT. I figured with another female singer-songwriter, we've got to break out the Atlantis. Oh, here it is. I've got a problem with this voicemail caller, by the way. Hey, I just wanted to say, I just finished... I just finished my very first episode. No, that doesn't mean that I just listened to my first episode. It means I just finished my first one. Oh, no.

[06:00]For the first time today, I finished an episode. It was an hour and a half long. Yeah, anyway, pretty proud of myself. But one thing that I noticed was the number of times that Rob said, I'm going to edit this out, and he doesn't. It really got on my nerves. I just want to know if that gets on anyone else's nerves. Because... I mean, it happened about 40 times. It's a bit. It's a great bit. Just wondering if that bugs anybody else. All right, so I'm going to make an edit point here and put in a new voicemail. So for those who don't know, I'm usually the one... Rob edits the first time around through the podcast, so he sends a link out so we can listen to it. Matt, I don't know if ever has looked at a link or even looks at Rob's text. I don't know if Aaron ever listens, but I usually listen and then we'll cut a handful of things out. If something's got to go or... If something goes too long or something, occasionally we'll make a cut. But generally, when I've warned Rob, hey, you said you were going to cut this out, he doesn't want to cut that stuff out.

[07:00]So I sometimes try, but it doesn't always work. Hey, pull back the curtain. Rob, that's one of the better bits that you have in your repertoire. Thank you. That's a great bit. Yeah, let's talk more about Rob's bits. Let's really get into Rob's good bits. I do think the I'm going to edit this out bit is good. Although occasionally there are times where I'm like, well, I'm definitely going to edit this out. And then I do have to blame you guys a little bit. Because sometimes... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There are times, and this might shock you a little bit, you take something that maybe would embarrass me or is offensive or whatever, and then you make that into a running gag and it makes it impossible to cut out of the podcast. A bit, if you will. Yeah. So there's actually quite a few things in the show that I've wanted to cut out. We should talk about those. I think the best one we talk about is when your dad has got a disco ball inside of his van. That's the best one, I think. Yeah. I think it's Rob's dad's disco ball that I really enjoy the most. That's my favorite bit about Rob. What about the one where he drove home fast when he got out of the van? Yeah. Yeah. When he got dumped in high school and was wearing a sweater vest. Oh, my God. Sweater vest. I forgot about the sweater vest part. Do you still have that sweater vest? No, absolutely not. You know, actually, I might in the closet at home.

[08:01]And when I go back to Minnesota, I might have to check. Look in the old childhood closet, see if that sweater vest is in there. I bet it would still fit me, actually, now that I think about it. But yeah, I don't know. Guys, at some point, do we... I feel like we've done a pretty good job of not using the same bits for all 100 episodes. Oh, no. We drive things into the ground. Well, yeah. We just take those things and just keep handling them. Hammering them into the ground, I think. Don't we? That's what a bit is, right? Isn't that how that works? Well, here's the thing. Every time somebody calls up and says something like this, like, remember we used to say banger. Oh, banger, banger. Then one of our listeners, one of our very intelligent... Yeah. You know, we'd say, oh, it's a banger. You know, why do you guys always call it a banger? You know, something like that. She sounded very nervous when she was talking, but... Another bit. Nervous caller. Don't be nervous calling us. We're just some guys on a podcast. Yeah, we're not going to judge you and talk about you after the episode. Yeah, for the next three or four episodes, my guess is we won't hear this, but then something will bring it back around and you'll say, I'm going to edit this out and we'll start putting it back in again. So maybe for at least three or four episodes, it'll be out.

[09:01]Listen, the bottom line is, is that we're filling up time. We're making content for you little piggies to go to the trough and eat this slop up. Okay? And if we edited out stuff that wasn't just funny, funny, funny, this podcast would only be 15 minutes long and have nothing to do with music at all. It would make no sense. Here's the thing. If we were doing this podcast to actually get like away from a dozens of listeners, maybe a hundred or we're at a hundreds of thousands of downloads at one point. Yeah. If we're, if we were doing it specifically to like try to reach the masses and not just make each other laugh and like, maybe like Manuel from South St. Paul, you know, things like that, you know, that this, this would not be nearly as fun of a venture that we're going on. Speaking of editing things out, maybe we should edit out that worthless voicemail that we just got a few minutes ago. I agree with what Matt said and I did have to edit it out earlier, but that color can eat shit. Okay. That's a good bit, but I mean, thank you for going all the way to the end of an episode.

[10:02]I mean, I guess it doesn't matter if you've downloaded, but Matt and Aaron, have you ever made it to the end of an episode or not? Not, I mean, no, I've skipped to the end once in a while. If I want to hear that part and to be fair for most people, I mean, to be fair, that's so depressing. You guys are like our number three and four fans, but there usually is one good job. Joke at the end, right? We try like three or four of them, but there's usually like one good one at the end. Usually it comes from Russell, but yeah. So if you're a fan of Russell's jokes and you should absolutely fast forward to the end, cause there's usually one or two more good ones. Yeah. And if you want to know what we're referencing, maybe listen to the whole episode. You dumb pieces of shit. Like just, you don't like the podcast. Don't listen. We couldn't care less. Okay. We definitely don't check the downloads all the time and judge ourself worth by it and maybe text each other about it obsessively and then get depressed. As long as they don't know how to unsubscribe, we're fine. They don't need to listen. Okay. Just don't unsubscribe. Yeah. Our, our cascade, our flood of downloads from the old person. What was the, what was the Samsung podcast that has officially dried up?

[11:00]Okay. We're back to the same fucking losers that listen to this show normally. Can you imagine living a life where you listen to this podcast on the regular and it got annoying enough to you where you're like, I can't believe he keeps saying I'm going to edit this out and then doesn't, and then take the time to call and leave a message. Who are these people? I would say they're true American heroes. I don't know. Maybe that's a step too far. But I would say that they, they deserve to get full, a full military funeral when they pass away. By the way, I do want to tell you guys a really funny joke. Uh, I was at work on the last day of school. They have a happy hour with an open bar. So I do what I always do when there's drinks at work and I have one too many. My goal is always an open bar. It's the cool one on the last day. So then there was actually kids in class when you had open. No, no. Do you guys know how school works? The kids aren't there the last day. The teachers sit there and, and don't do anything and have to wait until the open bar happens. And so then we go to the open bar. I have one too many drinks, which is a talent I have at school. And then I do my famous, famous bit, which always makes people laugh, which is talking

[12:02]about going to Top Gun, the movie in full military white until a guy who I know and I'm kind of friends with turns and goes, you know, my dad's a vet. You're like a veterinarian. Yeah. Like animals too. Wahoo. Good for you, dude. Rob. What's your, what's your drink of choice at an open bar? Oh, these, they always have like, whatever. This was slow gin fizz. And then, uh, they had a vodka lemonade type thing. And we know that vodka lemonade has got me in trouble in the past on that wedding bus that one time when I yelled party in the cornfield and we were indeed stopping at the cemetery, a classic bit. If you remember that, we'll edit, we'll edit that. Yeah. We'll edit. You know what? We'll edit this all out. Oh, I want a podcast to be 10 minutes long. I listened to NPR podcast. Shut up. Okay. Let's get into rolling. Go away. Can you imagine if all these NPR podcasts and now after this major thing?

[13:01]Oh no, wait. Yeah. Edit this out. Edit this out. Rolling. Go away. Oh yeah. Uh, listen, let's get into rolling. Go on. Let's see what everybody's up to. Rosie rolling. Go on. How's it going with you out there in California? NBA champions winner at plus 200. What do you think Aaron? Yeah, I know. As usual. It's a, it's a real rollercoaster of emotions for me. Um, yes, the warriors clinched the title on Thursday, which was fantastic. I really enjoyed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Totally enjoyed watching those guys. It was really great to see them back together and back on top. So we, we enjoyed that. Um, today was a beautiful day. It was, uh, it's father's day. So I went out for a little paddle around the estuary in Oakland, around Coast Guard Island. Um, Coast Guard folks, thank you for your service. Someday. I'll forgive you. I'll forgive you for not rescuing George Clooney in the perfect storm, but today is not that day, but otherwise it was a beautiful, beautiful time today. Today's not that day.

[14:00]I did show up to that movie in a full yellow slicker. So it's not really stolen valor. Um, and I also had crabs, but that was more cosplay. Rosie, when you are, when you are going, so you went kayaking around Coast Guard Island today. Stand up paddleboard. Yeah. So, so stand up paddleboard. What does that look like? You transporting yourself out there now, are you going out by yourself and you've got like a blowout? You blow up paddleboard. And so you have to park and then bring a paddleboard down and blow it up and then bring everything back to your car. Tell it, go walk us through that. Sure. I'm happy to walk you through it. You're going to love this story. I, well, um, actually that dovetails into my next rolling going. Uh, so I may not get to the paddleboard story. Once I tell you that my car, uh, the Hyundai Santa Fe is in the shop. The, why do you tempt me? No, I know. I know, Rob. I know. I'm sorry, Rob. Aaron gave me a speech before the podcast. Tell me, I need to be nice to him. Yep. And then he gives, he knows that he's going to serve up this, Ooh, Ooh, this big meatball. It's like, Oh, I'm a vegetarian. Okay, Rob, I made you this delicious steak, but you can't have a bite.

[15:02]You don't even need to audio if you had a bite. But this time it's not my fault. It's not my fault. What happened to the car? What did she do? The transmission went out on the car. The car is brand new. It has 2,500 miles on it. It stopped working. We towed it down to the Hyundai dealership. They figured out that it, it was low on transmission fluid and the best they can figure out is that it, uh, left the factory. The factory low on transmit, like someone forgot to fill the transmission at the factory. And of course now, so now it needs a new transmission and the transmissions on back order. My favorite part of this story is that I then had to go down to the Hyundai dealership to get our loaner, which is a red Hyundai Elantra. I'll send you guys a picture. Uh, you've had two loaners. That is correct. Yes. Three actually. Cause the first, I, yeah, three, this is the third. So I had to go down and get the, it doesn't matter. Your neighbors are like, what the hell is going on over here? This is like a new car. What's going on? Like a drug dealer. This guy's loaded. Right. So I go down there to get the loaner. And then I realized like, oh, there's some stuff that I need to get out of the car.

[16:02]That's on the lot wherever. And so I go into the service department. I'm like, Hey, can I get a thing out of my car? Now? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Pause for a second. Cause didn't this exact same thing happen last time you took the car and where you had to then go back and get a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this time I had to get a couple of things out of the car. And, uh, so I go to the service department and they just, they're like, yeah, we'll call a porter to come and get your car. But my car doesn't run. It's stuck in park. They told me. So they, the guy picks me up in the shop vehicle because we walked through the lot closest to the shop and it wasn't there. So then this isn't one of those creepers that you lay on your back and go under the car, right? That's what I'm picturing. He's no, no, no. It was, it was just another, it was just another, you know, little, little sedan. But my favorite thing about it was, was, and I saw multiple guys doing this when we're driving to find my car in the lot. I'm thinking like, I got to help this guy out and like, you know, keep an ego. I have to keep an ego layout for my car. No, they just drive through the lot with hundreds of cars and I'm with the key fob out the window, just clicking the panic button until the horn goes off.

[17:06]And then they, then they're like, Oh, there's your car. And then the guy turns to you and you realize it's Albert Einstein. Who's driving you out. This is the smartest man ever of all time. Nobody's ever been smarter than you. I'm thinking like, I got to tell him the license plate number. I got to tell him what car we're looking for. No, he just holds the key. Yeah. They're clicking the panic button until the horn. So my plan for today was that I was going to inflate my paddleboard at home last night and take it down to Jack London square, uh, on the roof rack of our, our Santa Fe. But now I have a car that doesn't have a roof rack. So I had to then, uh, so then, yeah, the way it works is I put the, the inflatable in the trunk, drove down, parked in the parking ramp. Uh, I did inflate it in the parking ramp and then walk up. So like in the parking, then I, then I walk up the stairs with my, uh, Santa paddleboard and then walk down to the public lawn tramp. Uh, like it's, and there was a farmer's market going on.

[18:00]So like I walked through the farmer's market carrying my paddleboard. There's like a bunch of restaurants around there. That is, that is so on point for a farmer's market for a guy to be walking around with a stand up. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, it's like, Oh my God. I would love to stop and purchase some earrings, but I can't because I've got my paddleboard with me. How many dandelion greens will you give me for one standup paddleboard, please? I'm here. I'm here to barter. Exactly. I picture you walking back to the parking ramp, carrying the paddleboard and everybody's like, this guy doesn't know shit about this parking ramp. He doesn't know how this thing works. I bet when Aaron took it in and they, they asked about, he said the transmission fluid was low. They was like, what was that? The guy who took it out for like the four hour test drive. Maybe that's why it's low. I mean, it's a real, it's definitely a really like I'm learning. It's a real pride goes before the fall kind of, you know, cause you guys remember I was so triumphant about my new fancy car and now the thing is fucked and I never should have gotten so high with my. Emotions and my ego. I got to have, I have nothing but sympathy for somebody with car problems. I mean, it's such a pain in the ass. I would highly recommend moving to New York city where now we're in June and that is

[19:05]urine season down on the subways. All the subways smell like urine. I'm a, I'm a, I'm an extreme anti-masker. Okay. Extreme. But I am still wearing a mask on the subway because it smells like old piss down there. Thank you very much. Wait, does that smell better or worse than new piss? Which would you prefer? Oh, look at the guy who doesn't know what old piss smells like. I don't pee on the floor ever. Oh, so fancy. Some of the vintages don't age very well, Aaron. Yeah. Aaron, old piss smells much better. What are you talking about? Get out of here. Russell, rolling going. How's it going with you? And did you. Rolling going. Did you take an inflatable paddle board out of the, blow it up in the parking garage and then walk it out? Again, just picture that. Did you take an elevator down, Aaron? Did you try to stuff it into an elevator? No, I took the stairs. I had to go up the stairs. It was like, I checked before I went. It was like pretty wide staircase. I still. Walked it a couple of times, but I, you know, I don't think I harmed it. Yeah. I don't think I would have the patience to like deflate a paddle board when I was done

[20:01]with it. I would probably just leave it there for someone else to use. Like, can you see me like sitting there, like squeezing all the air out for 25 minutes? No way. Forget about it. This, it just shows it's just father's day in a nutshell though. Right. It's like, okay, what can I do to get away from my family? I can go out and paddle board for an hour and inflate and deflate this thing for three hours. Oh, well, that's worth it. Hey, you should just get a normal paddle board that you don't have to inflate. Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm good with that. I actually like this. Hey, Rob, I noticed when you went up to the gym today on father's day, you didn't take the express train. You took the local. It made so many more stops. Yeah, I did. Actually, I enjoyed it. Speaking of trying to get away from your family, maybe we should skip me and go to Matt for rolling going. What have you been doing some long distance riding lately? Yeah, Matt. Rolling going. How's it going with you? I, uh, I, I accomplished one of the. It's probably a very, very, um, common, like middle-aged midlife crisis kind of a thing.

[21:03]It's so, yes. But I've also realized it's one of the dumbest. And so I ran a marathon yesterday. Oh, congrats, man. Way to go, man. That is huge. Congratulations on accomplishing that dumb milestone. That's so cool. As I just said. And I realized that I think I'm not built for marathons, if that makes sense. What? Yeah. That's crazy. So there's two things about it. One. Which one did you run, Matt? I ran grandma's. Grandma's up in Duluth. It was beautiful. Big deal, man. Big deal. Way to go. Yeah. I got my medal. I got my shirt. I better not lose that shirt ever. Cause I'll probably be the only marathon shirt I ever got. And then I got to wear it around. No, but I, I realized, I mean, there's such a weird running culture. And if we talked about the running culture and you know, it's just, it's just different. And I think this is different for everybody's culture, right? Like there's like a weightlifting culture, right? Rob, somebody new walks in, you can pick them out. Yeah. The first thing you see, right? Somebody walks in and they're trying to like play catch with a baseball with their kid. I can pick them out and say, you've never played baseball before, right?

[22:00]Rosie, somebody is out there paddle boarding in the ocean and like, oh my goodness, this guy's going to kill himself. It doesn't, you know, things like that. And I realized that I stuck out like a sore thumb when I got. You have the wrong kind of shorts on the wrong kind of shirt on. Yeah. That's where like the regular cotton t-shirt or whatever. But like I, you walk up and like, I was the only one there. I didn't have a buddy. And there's all these people who are running like with groups. Right. And they're all. This is their thing. I can't run with anyone. Groups. And it's all their fun. So I'm standing there like, and I show up a little bit early to like the start of the race. I have no idea what to do. I have no idea what to do with myself, but just sit there and wait. All these people, I realized they just go and they find a spot in the parking lot and they just sit down and they just sit down. I'm like, oh, I guess that makes sense. They're like resting and everything. So I just go and I sit down and I follow. Yeah. And so. And then your leg and then your legs fall asleep and you're like, wait a minute. God dang it. Yeah. Why did I do this? This is a terrible idea. All this stuff. But it's just, it's such a weird culture. And there's these people who look like the dirtiest of hippies in the world, right? Like I did not have a mustache.

[23:00]I should have a mustache. I would have fit in a lot better. And they're just phenomenal athletes, right? And they're just, they can just fly. So I accomplished it. I saw a couple good signs along the road. One person made a sign that said, I, I, I trained all week to hold this sign. You know, I thought that was a good one. Nice. That's a good one. Go random person. That was another good sign that I saw. I saw a guy with a T with a t-shirt on guy holding two kids about nine, eight and five. And he's got a t-shirt on that says, uh, what did it say? It says, I don't do marathons. I just do women who do marathons or something like that. Stay classy, San Diego. And he was single. He was there. He was there to meet people. And that's what I thought. Right. But he had two kids. He's holding two kids. So it looked clearly look like mom was running. Now, I mean, let me ask you this. And I want to, and I want to, I want to, I want to not include you in this group. Okay. Is there something about people having kids and getting into marathon training?

[24:00]I know I've brought it up before, but people, as soon as they have kids are like, damn, dude, I've always wanted to run a marathon. Well, see you later. I got to go for three hours. I mean, is there, is there part of that? There's part of that. You never, you never hear about like 40 year old dudes getting into sprinting, right? No, I think here's in all reality. Yes. I mean, like the time away. Right. It's, it's, it's one of those things where you have to have a spouse and God bless Sarah. She's put up with me for doing all this training. Right. Who's into it and who gets it. And it's like, yep, no, go do your thing. All that stuff. And she likes seeing your, she likes seeing your badonkadonk now that you you're a runner. She's like, Oh, look at that ass. Ooh, that looks good. Right. Right. So then, but I think there is something right when you've got kids. I assume that's something other wives say. I don't know. And Rosie, I think you're coming out of this when you've got kids that are like zero to five, maybe even like zero to. Six or seven. Like it just take up so much of your time and so much of your energy. You have no time to do anything. You just want to lie down anytime. They're just, I mean, yeah, but I think then you realize you get that little bit of a break

[25:01]of time, but then you realize like, God, I just want to do something for myself. Right. Or I want to go biking or do something like that. Rob, you lift, uh, you know, things like that. And so I don't know. I think in all reality, it's nice to have something of a goal to do. Right. But God, I should try to find something that doesn't almost kill you or something. I think next time. You know, I did that, man. I did a half marathon. I did two half marathons actually. And I was, it was that same thing where it was like, I need to have something to do. I need a goal. Otherwise I'm not going to do anything. I got fucking smoked. It was terrible. When I was finishing my half marathon, my, both my feet hurt so bad that I couldn't walk anymore. I couldn't go anywhere. So here I am in the, in the medical tent. Right. One of the greatest moments of my life. Have two people rubbing my feet. One on each. I don't know if they, Ooh, that's a good question. I might, Ooh, maybe they did. Maybe I got to get back in there. They should qualify for some of those hazard paychecks that were going out recently.

[26:02]They did work for FEMA. That's horrible. They were, they did work for FEMA. So they got, I think that was part of it, but they, they, yeah, it was, it was, I having two people each rub a foot and I was like, have I died? Is this heaven? Because this is the greatest thing ever. And then so embarrassing here I am. Okay. Yes. I'm a handsome. Okay. And I would say classically handsome, all of us, you know, all that stuff, kind of classic runner bod I'm sitting there and I am getting both feet rubbed. And all of a sudden all the Kenyan guys who won the marathon are also coming in or have shown up before me because they finished their whole marathon faster than I finished a half marathon. Yeah. And they're like, and they're just like, Oh, and they're like in the medical tent rehydrating. And here I am the biggest, fattest guy at the marathon getting both. And I was like, Hmm, this is a little humiliating. I think you made the right choice. It seems like you, who's the real winner. I've done, I've only done one organized race in my life.

[27:00]It was a half marathon. I finished it. I was super proud of finishing it, but I did have a few things. I want to see what you guys think of this. The one thing that jumped out to me was when I run, I was run by myself. I don't want to train with anyone else. I don't want to exercise with other. I just want to do my own thing. Yeah. But when I was running the marathon or half marathon, I realized all these people are running in groups. Like Matt said, and they're holding full conversations while they're running. And I'm like huffing and puffing. I can barely breathe. And I remember it was one of the most demoralizing things in the world to know that other people were just living a normal life and having a normal conversation while I could barely even catch my breath. There's people that have been doing this their whole life or like they started in like sixth grade. Right. And they've just been cross country runners and they know how to do it. And they've been in races, all this stuff. I did a half marathon about a month and a half or two months ago, end of April, about a month and a half. And I just, I, it was, I was like, oh, I'm going to see how I've been training a ton. I just want to see how I can get this done pretty quick. Right. Well, every old lady that would like pass me and be like, well, why is this lady?

[28:02]This lady can't, I can beat this lady. Right. Or some ladies going like slow up a hill. And it's like, oh, what? I mean, I could pass this. It was such a different mindset. Right. That I realized like, look, one, I'm not going to be a world-class marathoner. I'm not going to qualify for Boston marathon. I believe, you know, things like this. Like I just need to go out and complete this thing and just win. Like time be, time be damned. Even though the time was a little, you know, it was just, it was about just, just over five hours. They didn't have the, they didn't have like the cart driving up behind you. No, they didn't have that, but it was just like, it's such a different thing than like Oregon to me organized like team A versus team B and all this stuff that I just, I can't get in that mindset. And I got to try to. I got to figure it out. I mean, I'll, I'll do races, I think for a while now, like I thoroughly enjoy running after doing this. I just would rather stick to maybe like a max of like 10 miles, maybe an occasional

[29:00]half marathon here or there, but. So what was the, so you, so you did the whole thing. I can't even imagine five hours and 26 miles of running. What was the hardest stretch? Well, about mile 19, my calves just cramped up. Oh God. They just cramped up. No. Okay. And so I, so from about 19. 19 or 20, whatever it is to about 23, it was just like this run, walk. Like I was, I was stretching on the curb and I'd run for about two minutes and I'd walk for about, you know, kind of a thing. And so that really kind of, that really kind of. I'm impressed you finished. Holy shit. Yeah. And then from about 23 on, I just was like, well, if I just keep running, I'm going to be done that much faster. And then, so then, but literally the last, the last half mile and especially like 26.2, right? So you get, and they have a thing that says mile 26. And you still have those two times. You're like, God damn it. Just. Yeah. Does this thing over or what? Fuck you, fidipities. Yeah. Yeah. The battle of marathon could have been a little closer. That's when you have to look to like, you're not dying because that's where the big crowd

[30:02]is at the end. So you have to be like, Oh yes, this to me was no, they got this big pit or like this. It's like chained off. So only the runners there and get all the food and everything. And Sarah, Sarah and the boys are there and they're like waving. Hi, dude. I'm like, I gotta go. I just had to lay. I mean, I laid down for like five minutes and then like my brother was coming over and he's like, Oh, we're about. Half a, half a mile away. We'll walk over there. I thought Bayfront doing some drinking beers, watching band or something. And they just weren't coming. And I'm just like, I just got to get out of here. I just have to get out of here and get off my feet and whatever. And I just turned into the most orny ornery bastard you've ever seen. And I had to like, I texted my brother like, Hey, sorry, but you know, I just, I, I just needed to get out of there. I couldn't talk, you know, sorry, I can't wait. I noticed that I got done and I did give you the information. To track me during the race, but you didn't seem to care enough to come see that. Uh, and I did shit myself and my nipples were bleeding like crazy. But other than that, I had a great race. Those are two of the mini goals that I did accomplish.

[31:01]My nipples are intact, no blood, and I did not shit myself. So I didn't have to go to the night. The night is still young, man. I've had days where both those things happen. No. Well, I guess, I guess I shouldn't tell you guys the other two stories about the half marathon. You know, Matt, when you go and buy your 26. Two sticker for your car, they don't check to see if you've actually run one. You could, I've got like three on my car. It's not a big deal. Nobody cares. It's not an official thing. Oh, you're going to go. Rob puts it right on his dress whites when he goes to see Top Gun. I don't know why you have it on the back of your car. Nobody cares that you ran that. Did you see Aaron there? Cause I know Aaron went there because he likes to go and, um, get into the urinals and hide in them at the end of the race. You think that's fun to like get under there and give a little smile. Nails on a chalkboard. That's my favorite. That's not making fun of Aaron. Okay. Don't kink shame. That's my favorite is when they catch those guys. They, every year you see, you find a guy who's hiding in those port-a-potties. What are you talking about? Look it up. I don't think they've ever found anyone hiding in a port-a-potty.

[32:02]False. False. They absolutely have. They have caught guys in the pit, in the port-a-potty. That's a commitment to your craft. I saw, I saw this huge guy who was running and I actually found a neighbor of mine while I was running along the course, neighbor Pat, who lives across the alley behind me. And he's next to this big guy. He's like, Oh, you got to meet Mike. You know, cause I was having that conversation the first like 10 miles. I could have it with people. It was fine. And so I was talking to, I was talking to Pat and he's like, Mike, this is Mike. Mike, Mike probably weighed two 50. Okay. He's about 68. I would say like, yeah, this is my 260th marathon. I'm like, Holy cow. How does, how are you not smaller? Is that what you're thinking? How are you not a smaller guy? Like, what are you eating? Or why are you doing this at 60? So then the other guy. Carbal loading. Carbal loading is not a lifestyle. This other guy had a headlamp on, right? And all of these people. Maybe he just had kids at an older age. He had a headlamp on. I'd watch him going in those urinals. No.

[33:00]So this guy and all these people are coming up to him and say, Hey, Eric, Eric, how you doing? You know, give him a high five. So this guy, he leads a group of like eight guys. Apparently I learned this story who run, they leave it like, I think it's two or 2 AM or three, they leave at two or 3 AM. They run the marathon route backwards. And then they stop and wait. They wait for about an hour and then they run it forward again. So they run two marathons in one day. These are the people I can't stand. These are the people that when you go, if you ever watch a marathon or the one you run, the people that decide, Oh, now we're going to turn around and run back against traffic just to show people how, how tough shit we are. Get out of here. No one wants you. Now I do want to point out, I do want to point out, and I hate to do this, Darren. I really do. Especially after promising to be nice to him today. Here's the thing. Russ and I have both commented on how we ran a half marathon. Now we don't like to talk about it. Okay. We just talk about it. Cause Matt brought it up. I'm pretty sure Matt asked, or maybe I don't remember who asked me if I ran a half marathon or who asked Russ or whatever. And Aaron has not commented on running a half marathon, but before, before you say

[34:02]anything, I do want to remind you, Aaron was a long distance rollerblader. Okay. He went in excess of three miles on the wheels. So Aaron, have you ever done a half marathon? What's the longest race you've ever done? Never done a running race. I think the longest run I've ever done is six miles. I have never been a long distance runner. How have you avoided? How have you avoided doing a running race in your life? Like he was a cyclist. I got into cycling. Yeah, that was my thing. So I never did a running race. Did you do cycling races? Have you done like officials? Not official. No, man. I'm not fast enough to do it. I'm not fast enough to do it. Like I've sanctioned race. I did the Almanzo 100, uh, which was a hundred mile gravel race down in Southeast from Minnesota. It doesn't exist anymore. Uh, I finished 33rd. Bike wheel on the gravel road. Uh, that was six and a half hours. Uh, of, of gravel riding a hundred miles. Uh, but it wasn't, it's not an official race and the race doesn't exist anymore, but it was a great. You see two people after the race and they're just rubbing errands chode.

[35:02]They're just like, Oh God, it hurts so bad. A hundred, a hundred miles is the longest I've done on a bike. I've done it a couple of times by myself, just like a solo century. And then other times I did like 50 miles with a group. And then if I rode there and back, then that was close to a hundred, but I haven't done anything that long for years now. Jeez. So that backfired making fun of Aaron. I've also done a 50 mile bike ride. Nobody, nobody said anything to me. Uh, did you guys ask? Did you guys ask? I didn't, I missed that. Uh, Russell rolling going. How's it going with you? Things are going well. I went to a wedding a few weeks ago. I thought I would share some of my experiences at the wedding and see what you guys thought about that stuff. Did they play the, did they play the chicken dance? Did they play the chicken dance? That's your first question. I don't believe they, they had the chicken dance. I don't want to hear about it. Yeah. Or the Cupid shuffle is, I think they did the other one, Matt. Did they do the cha-cha? They did one of the organized dances. The one of the organized dances that the downloader that I took with me did.

[36:02]And I chose not to go do that organized dance with them. Oh, Russell, if you're in a, if you're at a wedding and the person you're with wants to go do one of the organized dances, Matt, are you allowed to say, no, I'm not doing the chicken dance or not? Uh, it kind of depends. I was in, I was slightly in this situation that I don't, I shouldn't be telling you the situation. So we, so Rob, we'll, we'll delete this out. We'll edit this out. We'll edit this out. We'll edit this out. We went and saw for Sarah's birthday. A couple of weeks ago, we went to a brewery. I forget which one, but they had a grunge cover band and they were playing all sorts of Pearl jam. Oh my God. For whatever reason, there's some song that they were playing. I don't remember by what band, but Sarah wanted to go up and dance in front of the whole place and there was nobody else dancing. And she's like, come on. And I'm like, oh God, it's her birthday. I'll find, I'll go. Yeah. One of the most embarrassing things I've done in the last five years. Go out and dance to some grunge band in front of a thing, but it was all good. Had a good time. It was fun. What are your, what are your grunge dance moves look like?

[37:00]Yeah. I think a lot of air. I don't know. Air guitar. Yeah. That's a good move. That's the special. So Russell, I try to stay away from those situations unless you're feeling it. Right. And you know, if you've had a couple and you want to do it, yeah. Getting pulled onto the dance floor has never been my favorite thing, man. It's a lot like the sign we have in our living room. Like the, the fancy, I mean, it's not a sign. What do you call that? A little piece of art. And it says, you need to dance like no one's watching and go to the port-a-potty like someone is watching. They've snuck in and they're hiding. And they're looking at you. And a lot of people have questions about that piece of art. So you did not go out there, Russell. You did not go out and dance the cha-cha shuffle or the electric slide or whatever. I went out and did, I did dance a little bit. I did my, my move as Rob knows it. I did the air, found a good air guitar song when I could go out and do the air guitar. And like, if you just get super into the air guitar, everyone, everyone else on the dance floor is like, yeah, look at, they're getting into it. And then the moment you want to quit that air guitar, you just walk away and go to the bar and you never go back to that dance floor.

[38:00]I'll be right back. Hold on. Copyrighted, patented move. Russell is into the, Russell's like, well, he's already living like it's a 10 year marriage. He's going to be running out of marathons pretty soon. So, so anyways, I, I actually, I got this, uh, invite. I was going to my, it's my cousin's wedding. She actually listens to the podcast. Um, she's called in a few, a few. Times here and there, but I actually, I actually got a, it was, yeah. She listens to the whole podcast or just part of it. Does she get all the way to the end? We'll find out when I start telling stories about her wedding. If I hear from her again, she skips all the dumb voicemails from these dumb shits. I don't know how a podcast works. We'll edit, we'll edit that out. So I got a text from her and she kind of said, Hey, if I'm reading between the lines, it feels like you've been hanging out with one of your downloaders for a while. So if you want to bring that downloader to this. You can do that. Or how about this Russell instead? Yeah. What if you go get your hair cut and you're on a secret date and nobody else knows the

[39:01]person doesn't know that you're on a date. That would also work. That's a deep callback. That is a deep callback. We'll have to edit that out. I don't know if our downloaders are going to appreciate that. Well, we could, we could edit that out or edit that in maybe. But so I said, yeah, sounds great. So I bring this downloader to the wedding. And. I was going to ask you guys first, what is your style if you were to bring a downloader or a date to a wedding or like a party where they don't know anyone, what's your obligation to like, are you allowed to go talk with other people and hang out with other people that you know at this event, if they're going to be sitting there by themselves or how do you handle something like that? Yeah. You can't leave them sitting by themselves. You got to set the downloader up for some other downloaders. Yeah. You can't just leave them by themselves. You can't just like put them in the corner and give them some money for drinks. This did happen when, when, when Anna and I first got together, like I came to some weddings where she knew no one and I was like in the wedding.

[40:01]So then that was different. It was like, Oh, I got to go do pictures or whatever. And like, yeah. Then she like did it to sit by herself, which I, you know, maybe has come up once or twice since. Russell, this is not a cat that you're leaving in the apartment. Will you go somewhere for the wedding? You are not just leaving some drinks and some money. You got to hook them up with somebody, you know, really of conversation. You can't just leave. No, you need to be there. You are there. Only you, it is that they do not want to be there. I guarantee it. Russell, Russell flip the script. You're going to a wedding for somebody that where you don't know anyone else, they leave and get a drink and leave you there. I'm an introvert, so I'm fine being left to load at a table by myself for 30 minutes. Like there's no worries there, but let's say like, let Matt, let's say you're at a wedding when Sarah knows a bunch of people and you don't know anyone. Would you rather her, she drags you into every conversation you have with some random person or can't she just say like, Matt can do his own piece fine over there. Why do I feel like you're leading the witness? Why do I feel like you have an answer? You want us to say, yes, Russell, put your date in the corner, make him face the corner.

[41:03]That's the right thing to do. They probably don't want, they're an introvert too. Tell them that they're listening to Beck did it better. Like just put your headphones and listen to Beck did it better. You don't have to be involved in this wedding. So Russell, at what point did you get yelled at for making all these mistakes? I cannot wait to hear about that. So I never, I know, I don't think I ever played it too poorly, but you had mentioned Beck did it better. And so one of the, one of the reasons I brought this up was, so I'm sitting at the table where there's a table with some family members, our downloaders sitting there next to me. So we were sitting next to each other. I didn't make them go sit at another table or anything, despite what I asked my cousin to do with the seating chair. So I got a question. I got a question. All it takes to get a date with Russell is to download episodes of Beck did it better. And if you got to go back and start listening to the old ones to see, to learn more about me. Do not recommend that. Oh God, do not recommend that. As is current practice. Russell's like, you know, you know, baby, I just have the highest standards. Don't worry about it. Meanwhile, in the old episodes, he's like, listen, not speaking English actually wasn't

[42:01]that big a deal. We had a great time. Oh, the one that was pregnant, two dudes in the same day who did try to introduce me to the hairdresser was at the wedding and may have been accused by the downloader of, Hey, did you do this? Did you set up a wedding? Did you set up a wedding? Did you set up a wedding? Did you set up a wedding? Was that the fake hairdresser date? A classic Russell story. Oh my God, Russell, it's like, it's, this is, this is really like opening up our wedding album, but it's just Russell's disasters date after disaster date. And it makes me so happy. Oh, it just fills me with so much list. Vehicle or man disasters at the wedding. So I'm sitting there and it's, it's a very nice place. It's at this park, it's a beautiful building, indoor building and everything. So I don't need to worry about sweating too much or anything here. And it's not like an outdoor a hundred degree thing. Yeah. Well, we're sitting in there and. And the father of the bride, my uncle. Yeah. comes and sits down at our table for a little bit and he he looks at me at one point he goes russ i need to talk with you when you have a minute whoa i was like oh shit what is this

[43:02]yeah and i couldn't really get a read on it and eventually i think my our downloader went to the bathroom or something and left her chair open for a minute and all of a sudden father of the bride comes down and sits down and he goes i have to tell you i've been listening to the podcast is that one of the worst things you could hear in that situation like i would rather hear like oh just let you know you're out of the will or whatever instead of oh yeah exactly because it's like this is his daughter's wedding is this one of those situations where you don't know which way this is going either like i listen and it's so great or it's i listen and what the fuck is wrong with you kind of thing because i didn't i have no idea and so he starts talking and it turns out about after about two or three minutes i realized he loves the podcast he's into the podcast what a dumb he tells me he only listens to the first half he only cares about the first half he doesn't care what we think about the music he's never what your jokes at the end yeah he's never listened to the second half of a podcast never listened to the music the other thing he told me is and this

[44:05]conversation goes on for 25 minutes i bet 20 minutes or so and not the whole time i'm thinking like i'm embarrassed like you should be out like glad handing all these guests not talking with me about my stupid podcast right but he was looking at you like you should be glad handing that downloader not talking about the podcast talking to me about your stupid podcast technically he was sitting in my downloader's chair so she had to go sit in a different chair yeah yeah this downloader has been in the port-a-potty for a while so he doesn't make it work guys i'm gonna make it work we can we can edit that out so he doesn't listen to the music and he also said he doesn't want to call in because he doesn't want to get ripped or i believe the word he used was savage i don't want to be savaged by you guys for calling in so he won't call in but the other thing that kind of caught me off guard part of the reason he listens is to figure out more about who you guys are so he pulled out a little notepad on his phone and he's got notes about who you guys are he thinks he can figure

[45:04]out who you who you are in real life and he has said that out of the three four of us i have done the best job of not giving away any personal information about who i actually am that's probably he's probably right about that impressive so wow so this is our first overstocker okay so we need it we need to take initiative for sure should we be concerned yes but i will say this i think i gotta give him credit i gotta give him credit i think he was like a real he's one of the guys here because i think he didn't bring up the podcast while our downloader was sitting there because he didn't know whether this downloader even knew about the podcast right so he played it pretty sly because he didn't want to like throw me out and have our the downloader as far as he knew was just a date he didn't know they were a downloader and so it's like i mean that's a pretty sly move to like take that conversation offline and not have it in front of the whole table don't you that's definitely what is what is your problem yeah why aren't you talking to people at the wedding like it's this

[46:05]is your kid's wedding and you're wasting your time with some podcast i hate that you know what i think he's got a little bit too much self-respect i will say this he said rob is the rob is the one who stirs the drink it the podcast couldn't exist without rob but he didn't say he he relates most to matt in terms of personality so i think this guy has i think he has more self-respect than to dive into the foot freak stuff that's what i call your penis i mean that's that's the kind of stuff matt says on the show that's terrible uh it was it was a great wedding though he that his his daughter was a beautiful bride they put on a great party and i also got to give another cousin props a great man speech it was about a minute long got up there like this guy should almost give a class on how to do this it was got up there introduced themselves told one story about when they met the

[47:01]groom or the the sister's groom for the first time and then said like one nice thing about them being good together off the stage in and out in under a minute i was like hard to argue with that hard to argue with it right yeah uh rolling going how's it going with you rob i went out to las nationals uh i went afterwards and i ate at a restaurant called the heart attack grill which is a seems promising it is a novelty restaurant where just to let you know this is this is the kind of place it is outside it says heart attack grill this is in the skeeviest place in las vegas by the way outside it says inside or outside a porta potty on the strip it was basically a porta potty like if you expanded a porta potty and made it really big outside it says 350 pounds and over eats free and then they have a giant scale outside where when you stand on it the letters are like five feet big and everyone can see how much you weigh

[48:01]it was so then you go in right and so the whole theme of this place is that uh it's a hospital and it's very unhealthy so you go in the first thing they do is they put a gown a hospital gown on you what and you have to wear a hospital gown the whole time you can't wear a hospital gown cannot take it off if you're 350 plus or if you're anyone anyone everyone in there is eating in a hospital gown okay so i just i don't this seems where is this where is this okay it's okay so you know the really nice part of vegas take get a cab and then go downtown all they have is fattening food okay there is no diet coke there is no diet i love how rob's rob's like just saying that he they don't have enough healthy stuff and he's talking about this they haven't provided right he's not like talking about like they don't have vegetables or anything he's like they don't even have diet coke no they they have none of it so here's the deal is that you can get burgers based on how many half pound patties you want so you can get a

[49:02]double all the way up to an octuple so you can get a four pound burger i got the double i got a pound burger now keep in mind i've been cutting weight for weeks up leading up to this okay so here i am i'm like oh i'm gonna be so hungry i'm gonna eat so much your stomach is probably turns out when you cut weight you actually can barely eat anything maybe just like two bites of the burger and the burger is overcooked so it's not that great to begin with but so i got two i got the bacon added on yep it's 20 strips of bacon added onto this burger i then ordered a side of onion rings which turned out to be a giant thing of onion rings that i ate about three of i also ordered a shot of alcohol which came in a prescription pill bottle it was four ounces of alcohol that's what was in the shot you want to know who's you want to know is the guy who's like oh i can barely touch this like when you go and and like everyone's like just gorging themselves and then you got the person next to you that's like oh i could only eat a

[50:00]quarter of my burger that person yeah like go fly a kite i don't like that person i would also say the person at the buffet who's annoying is the person who doesn't think it's funny when you show them chocolate ice cream coming out of the machine and you're just laughing your ass off because it looks like you're at the bottom of a porta potty and you're like hey look at this does it look like we're at the bottom of a porta potty and nobody laughs and actually they get you at the place those guys are so annoyed i guess the police is what i'm talking about the police that come to get you at the anyway my point is this look we'll cut that my point is this i get this alcohol i then also get a full diesel dr pepper now it is not a regular can it's in a tall boy right so i've got about i don't know what 3 000 calories and then along with that i get a milkshake now this milkshake is special because in the milkshake topping guess what tops this a pat of butter oh there is a giant thing in the cream it's a it's dairy rust it's just more dairy now mine i am lactose intolerant so it did not help did not help the whole situation here's the

[51:05]main issue i thought i was going to eat all this i really did i thought i was going to hammer down eat this meanwhile in comes a woman wearing a bridal veil her husband i think they just got married and then came to the hard deck grill they also have two kids rob can you give me this address just in case this thing with the downloader goes wrong i don't know i don't know i don't know well i got a place to go you go sit over there while i go sit on this side of the buffet if you do not finish your food they have a device in the middle of the restaurant where you go and you have to stand there and hold on to the handles and your waitress was dressed as a busty nurse okay but it's respectful okay it's in a respectful way i would i would love to have my daughter work there okay that's the kind of place that's classy they take a uh what do you call it oh yeah a rubber paddle in spanish spank your ass three times and it's hard so this is why you didn't finish your food you knew

[52:00]immediately what you were doing didn't you oh no no no no no as soon as i got the food i was like i'm gonna eat this and it immediately one bite i was like i'm not gonna finish this uh-oh i'm gonna get spanked and who watches me get spanked the family the bride and the kids are sitting there while i get spanked it did not feel right it did not feel fun you would think oh getting spanked in public oh that's gonna be so much fun it was not that fun now i was not the guy next to us who yelled out my wife didn't finish her jalapeno popper she needs to be spanked and then he kept yelling it the whole time and i was like bro you gotta relax a little bit like you are just and i was and then i realized like oh no that's what this place is like i think that's what you're supposed to do that's like are you supposed to like i just if you're gonna be there you gotta lean into it right oh it was can you just picture can you just picture like you know every every restaurant or any business they all go get spanked and then you're like oh my god i'm gonna get spanked alone from a bank right can you just imagine some guy walking into a bank being like i got an idea

[53:00]for a restaurant okay what is it yeah 350 pounds and over they eat for free if they don't finish their food we're gonna whack them in the ass with a busty nurse with like can you just imagine like trying to go to a bank and get a loan with this business plan like it was something and they did play music videos that had the busty nurses in them and i did send you guys a picture of one because they were playing the big bopper and i immediately thought about you guys so getting spanked by a busty nurse and playing the big bopper and i immediately thought about you guys so guys you know if there's if there's one album that i think about when i was getting spanked by a busty nurse in las vegas for not finishing all my onion rings it was this one so let's talk about the album oh is this a music podcast that sounds great by the way see you later okay yeah see you guys bye everybody yeah yeah catch you next week the wedding sucked russell no he could still be listening you got to be careful okay look out uh so we are talking about car wheels on the gravel road not as i said last week cartwheels he cut the bar off at nine

[54:00]last week i claimed at the end of the episode it was cartwheels on a gravel road and i noticed that none of you stood up and said oh rob you're wrong maybe you should retake that you can easily edit it out no because we were trying to go to bed bro it was true i forgot about that i forgot about that this podcast immediately starts and we're all like oh my god when is this gonna be over so this is a good fate we picked ourselves this is very very good just more and more and these are getting us starting with like well i have a complaint actually i was looking at the wrong thing i just wrote oh fried and lard i forgot to tell you guys about that all the food was also fried and lard and they advertised that so well we can we can edit like the burgers too no i'm well i don't know now maybe i have to go back and ask more questions um that reminds me i heard i heard the recording of a nice recording of dizzy gillespie doing manteca today on the radio manteca is lard and spinach oh i was gonna say i knew you're gonna you know what i didn't step in there and because i knew you're gonna pull that around i definitely wasn't going to click on a

[55:03]button but uh all right so we were talking about lucinda williams i can i admit something to you guys what's that for this i had never heard of lucinda williams in my entire life no idea who it was no idea what kind of music this was going to be and i freaking love it this is right up my alley this is like exactly what i want i was listening to it all day today jenny was like i love the music i was like i love this music i just picking out the sound clips i've had just a great time doing it listen this is her fifth album this came out in 1998 lucinda williams is well known for taking time between her albums and our first one was 79 her second one was 80 the next album comes out in 88 the fourth album four years later 92 this one is six years later and you can really hear on this album a person who has mastered her craft right it's not just i listen she is a dynamite songwriter i would argue maybe one of the best songwriters we've had so far the list but she also couples it with i think what is a unique and not unique because that's

[56:01]an insult to singing right i'm not going to ubu on this but her voice is so good and the way that this record is made she sounds every song is so intentional and purposeful i don't think there's many wasted breaths on this whole record like i don't know maybe i'm gushing too much about this record but i was absolutely blown away for it but where this record gets confusing is how do we classify it right this record won a grammy award for best folk album okay is this a folk album i don't not to me i wouldn't think a folk album would have this much electric guitar i mean it made me say what the fuck i was just gonna say hello what the folk i mean like folk is like storytelling with guitars right i mean yeah no you really really break it down yeah yeah i mean like right you're telling a story and it's like not quite country right quite rock you know and all that stuff so i mean there's a lot of there's a lot of like yeah uh mandolins dobros there's um oh god there's all sorts of guitars that are not just electric

[57:01]guitars too right so there's i think there's some of that in there but when i listened to it i thought to me this is the first country one and maybe it's bluegrass maybe it's blues it's kind of what all those all of that right i would say i would say it's real close i think i think uh rolling stone did a good job talking about it when they said that it's alternative country at the time that's how they classified it but now recently in 2020 she listened to williams actually won a grand prize for best folk album she won a grand prize for best folk album she won a grand prize for a new uh category which is best americana album and i think that's really i mean that's one of the best ways to describe this i i love it uh but it does seem to follow from that alt country scene that was like wilco and yeah a la honda escovedo and other acts like that so i i get that i think that's a i think that's a great comparison she isn't 89.3 the current favorite matt how often if you listen to the current how long do you have to go between hearing lucinda williams songs not more than six hours right ah i i bounce in and out and so there's there's times that you feel like you hear it all the time

[58:01]like every other song is listen to williams you know but they kind of go on those russell have you ever heard of williams before this i've heard the name but i didn't really know any of her music i none of the songs jumped out at me but i knew the name but i didn't know a lot about her passionate kisses oh yeah well that was her big hit right who sang that that she wrote who made it very was that bonnie ray who sang it for her who was saying that mary chapin carpenter that's who it was yeah okay i'm gonna say bonnie rate us she just she wants to give me something to talk about all right let's get into it right in time now this reminds me of during the election right because that's when it's right in time for me i'm always putting aaron for president are you playing the music rob right now or not yeah i'm gonna talk about it to make that joke sorry i'm gonna get his joke i'm gonna put his joke in i don't think about there's there's some uh like you have to mark on me

[59:00]there's some uh divinals kind of stuff going on here right like this is about this song is about her jerkiness thinking about something i was so happy when i saw that what did you call that aaron what did you say didn't the divinals sing when i think about you and touch myself i was thinking of that yeah yeah so here's a song that is so sweet and every time i listen to it i was like i love this song you know i'm listening to it with my kids i'm like hey kids listen to the song and then i looked it up what it's about they're like oh yeah this is her jerk right thinking about something and i was like it is it is a great hook for an open-ended song and i'm like oh my god i'm opening opening song in an album it's a great opener yeah it's so good she's looking at the ceiling and moaning and thinking of you yeah it's it's a little steamy the spank bank is open 24 hours that's what a lot of people don't realize like it's there sundays too i mean it's eight days a week yeah russell you said you wanted to explain what a spank bank was go ahead well the guy who was playing the spank bank on this one was actually roy baton do you guys remember him or not we've talked about him a few times what

[60:01]he was playing he was playing the b3 organ otherwise known as the hammond organ so he was playing on this one we cannot we cannot be talking about a guy in a spank bank who plays his organ that's right on point i thought that's what you were looking for but remember this was the guy who played in the e street band that i think played with bowie and that also played with meatloaf he was the guy who played at the beginning of my loaf wow this is this guy there it is the same guy what was he doing he was playing the playing the organ on the spank bank what was it rob listen he would do anything for love just like lucinda williams they wouldn't do that he got caught playing with his instrument band class wait a minute you guys hear that matt i'll let you know who's calling hello hey this is me this is meatloaf how's it going how are you doing i am you in tubing i listen i just want to tell you about that guy and his organ okay oh my god

[61:04]he was playing that organ so fast sometimes and then sometimes you know what he would move his hand upside down and then play the organ that way too it wasn't good but it sounded weird and kind of fun to change it up you know what I mean like foreign kind of like yeah it's kind of like maybe if you like were playing the organ and you fell off your bike and had to break one arm and so you kind of had a different system we're good to talk this is a great fucking song Meatloaf you crushed it with this song I gotta tell you Meatloaf I find you generally sort of like clownish but when I hear your voice on this song it moves me man it's such a great voice here can you take this pamphlet about COVID and how it's not real and don't look up how I died either thank you okay I'm in hell I'll see you guys later goodbye good luck editing that one out his name is Robert Paulson his name is Robert Paulson alright so

[62:02]so we got distracted by that for some reason I mean listen to these lyrics I take off my watch and my earrings but first of all I know where this is going Rob you made that mistake before and it's like oh my god watch can't wear this out and about now forget about it my bracelets and everything stand up put my head VR gear on oh my baby so she's doing I mean it's amazing she could do that with the VR stuff standing up it's crazy no lie on my back moan at the ceiling oh my baby guys what's your favorite jerk style how do you like to jerk it let's talk about it alright Aaron I know you're thinking about it but this is the titular track okay oh there we go this to me sounded like the offspring of Alanis and Last Dance with Mary Jane by Tom Petty I heard Tom Petty in this song oh I like that well Tom Petty and Lucinda Williams are connected

[63:01]right like she wrote a few of his songs for real oh yeah absolutely I think she did a tribute album to Petty I don't know if after he died but I know she did a tribute album too I will say is it possible though to live in Minnesota and not have a gravel road in your life that you associate or live in the Midwest I should say and have a gravel road that you associate with like a very strong memory I've got at least three or four gravel roads that I can picture exactly what she's talking about what about you folks from the Twin Cities like you're pretty far from gravel roads where you're at so if you go up north or if you go up north or something you can find a gravel road there you go there you go yeah Russell I mean man you got a gravel road I mean for me it's like going to the cabin or it's going out to where Jenny grew up yeah I mean there's a there's a place up we used to go deer hunting and hang out with a couple people another buddy's cabin and I didn't think I was this nice winding curve and then you come up to the cabin yeah I mean there's a lot

[64:00]of that cabin up North Dakota listening to her describe the sound and the feeling of a car driving on gravel road it just was I thought it was so powerful I don't know she's just so good at catching a at making a mood on every one of these songs I loved it yeah yeah too cool to be forgotten with the two too much such a weird title the way it's written for such a sort of throwback the numbers in there in a way didn't anybody write it like that in the in your yearbook yeah Prince so Prince did when I when I went to First Avenue Cindy Williams was getting married there and Prince was also there and I said Prince can you sign my yearbook this really is one of those albums that is just engineered and mixed perfectly you can hear every like every strum of the guitar is perfect bass is faint little accordion that pops in there it's just a hint of it right yeah yeah like it's a really thoughtfully constructed

[65:00]album and again she's singing here about like juke joints like old kind of bars and point to those and picture it when you're listening to it like it's a perfectly made song it's what you'd want to hear if you're in a juke joint imagine sitting down and writing a song about a bar you'd like growing up like it would be like oh yeah I go and I do karaoke and there's a guy who wore aqua socks every weekend for some reason like you know I could not sing a song about the otter like that it would be crazy I thought about the Yankee Clipper in Ankeny Iowa this week because that's where I first read Jack and Coke and I saw that now they're going to put Jack and Coke in a can what do you guys think Jack and Coke in a can thumbs up or thumbs down nothing no no good the world wants to kill me that sounds so good to me everything in the world like oh let's make sports gambling legal hey here I am watching the PGA Open today because I would win $400 if Wills Latouris wins like a waste of my time could it be spending time with my family right oh and you missed you missed that last putt by don't you don't

[66:01]need to how much now I'm going to be sports gambling and drinking Jack and Coke out of a can amount of time I have to spend like pouring Coke into a drink and then pouring Jack and when will the executives at Coca-Cola tell me what is the perfect ratio can you imagine how watered down those are going to be by the way it's going to be terrible and then like will you drink it not over ice like I'm curious I gotta try it once because like what if you drink it straight out of the can not over ice it's going to be super weird I mean I mean how many can you even fit in the toilet tank at work so when you go to the bathroom you know they're nice and cold when you come in or max I would say speaking of which drunken angel about a guy named Blaze Foley who passed away and then she was like yeah you were a drunken angel which I was like oh that's nothing we'll hope that I don't go this way tonight because tonight I am our drunken angel because Booze and Vinyl recommended a few drinks

[67:01]for this one and I mentioned this to you guys earlier they actually recommend that you listen to this album it's Ideal Waking up in the morning turn on your turntable when you come home from the bar start rolling some biscuits whip up some eggs and grits they say you're supposed to listen to this in the morning for breakfast any of you guys try that out this morning 100% I had it on this shout out to Anna pancake breakfast this morning for Father's Day we had this going on with a pancake breakfast it's hard to beat man it was a beautiful morning one of the drinks that Booze and Vinyl is actually recommending for side B of this album is a Tennessee Manhattan have you guys ever had a Tennessee Manhattan before a Tennessee you know Russell when I'm in the port-a-potty you're the only 10 ice am I from Memphis George Dickel or some Jack Daniels the drink is a nod to Nashville where this album was recorded so it's two ounces of Tennessee whiskey George Dickel a dash of bitters a maraschino cherry with a little bit of syrup or in my case four cherries

[68:00]with a lot of syrup and then three ounces of club soda but actually the club soda is sitting in my in my kitchen right now and I was going to be late so that I don't I'll have to drink that part later on but Tennessee Manhattan it sounds good I would drink that so it's just so it's a Manhattan with whiskey Tennessee whiskey but it turns out I couldn't use Tennessee whiskey on this because a week ago I purchased Metallica blackened whiskey for like $70 and then forgot to tell you guys about it on the podcast which was probably the low light of my podcasting year I gotta admit Russell I'm bummed because I am going to have to edit that part out where you just talked about Metallica whiskey so the listeners are going to hear a big blank spot there and apparently that's what they like they don't like they actually had a different drink recommended on site a it was a bourbon and coffee bourbon hot coffee half and half and some maple syrup but you guys know I don't have a coffee machine and I thought about going to the gas station to buy a coffee

[69:01]but I thought it was too intimidating because I don't know how to work a coffee machine at the gas station either it's too late to be drinking coffee I would argue it's not too late to be drinking coffee actually I think it's fine don't worry about it let me get this straight Russell you don't know how to work a coffee machine at the gas station I've never I'm not a coffee drinker I would it would be like going to the post office and not knowing how to mail a package for me it'd be way too intimidating you don't need you don't need to make the coffee I think you just pull the lever and the coffee comes out Russell we gotta we gotta get you out and next time you're in town next time you're in town I love the idea of Russell getting a drink at the gas station the guy's like oh some coffee and Russell's like yeah it's for a drink I'm gonna make at home the guy's like wait what the fuck you know what I thought it's for my podcast you want to hear about my podcast I almost did a McDonald's drive through I was like if I just go and order at a McDonald's and I don't even have to yeah questions asked that's true that's smart you can get a throw fully a fish on top of that coffee play fish your guys favorite

[70:00]drunken angel this guy it's gotta be Russell all day excuse me I'll take a coffee do you have any maraschino cherries as well a lot of syrup concrete and barbed wire so this was a song that she wrote after the Berlin wall fell and she kind of related to like a relationship that she has most of these songs I love this one I mean I love the steel guitar right oh it's so good I think you know I go ahead don't go for it this got me thinking though about the fall of the Berlin wall which I remember very vaguely it was like something happened everybody's making a big deal and I was like is this why America's funniest home videos is not on tonight this is the worst day of my life like it's just it was awful but you you know the famous story the first person to ever sing at the the Berlin after the Berlin wall fell who was the first person to sing a major concert in Germany right who was it no I do not know oh guys it's I'll give you a hint Michael look out get out of there it's David Hasselhoff the Hoff singing looking for freedom don't hassle the Hoff and I found this

[71:14]sounding clip on YouTube I possibly could so here you are you're in Germany right this is the famous story is that he was the first guy he went and did a concert there but he said I'll only do it if you let me sing over the destroyed wall I'm not going to do it any other way I always thought it was like the day the wall fell David Hasselhoff showed up turns out the wall fell in November David Hasselhoff showed up for a New Year's concert but that's how big he was in Germany so it wasn't right quick one thing I noticed on that song was the mandolin we talked about some of the guitars and stuff there was a mandolin on that song and the guy who played it was this guy named Greg Lee's he's a singer songwriter recording artist producer he's played with all these famous artists Alison Krauss the boss Daft Punk Joe Cocker isn't he the ugliest singer ever Rob oh my god you are

[72:01]so beautiful yeah everybody's beautiful for you look at Joe Cocker vampire weekend smashing pumpkins one of Matt's favorite bands and it turns out this guy also played a pedal steel guitar on a Beck song on the album mutations Rob if you can pull up the song called cancel check and you'll get to hear the pedal steel guitar sounds nice that sound just gets you it is awesome so I got to ask you guys so we know that Lucinda's album won best folk album in 1998 but it turns out Beck's mutations actually won for best alternative album so when it comes to using Greg Lee's in an album that wins the best alternative music album in 1998 who did it better Beck did it better that was so that was brilliant Russell that was a brilliant pull and I know what Aaron's thinking he's like oh a pedal pedal guitar maybe I'll blow that up and bring it to the beach with me later

[73:00]I also can connect things Russell thank you very much Lake Charles Lake Charles Iowa this one was maybe too slow for me this one wasn't one of my favorites I agree if there's a skip it's probably this one but it's now this might blow your mind but guess what this song is about what's it about an ex-boyfriend of Lucinda Williams I know it's mind blowing but I again I could I could make enough songs of everybody I've dated to make a single I think maybe I think of John Prine anytime I hear somebody in this style sing about angels because I just think of angel from Montgomery and I'm sure she was a John Prine and I don't know for sure you know they ran I guess they had to next up probably one of the most famous songs off this album can't let go this one actually won I'll get this it was nominated for best female rock vocal performance so not only did this win best folk

[74:01]album this was best rock vocal performance in 1999 it was nominated right nominated and eaten out by I think it's Atlantis isn't it yeah uninvited this is the only cover on the whole album man this song is good this is a banger yeah can you guys hear that kind of twang guitar is that like the coke bottle I think that's a dope bro so it's a type of resonator guitar I don't know Rob you're a guitar player you know what a resonator guitar is yeah it's like those guitars you see where they're acoustic but then they also have that metal inlay there so it gives them kind of a unique sound yes there's like a metal a metal resonator in the body of the guitar and I guess they started designing these in the 1920s to pump up the volume of acoustic guitars and there's a type of these resonator guitars called a dobro which is a fretless resonator guitar that kind of gives that twang song that you hear in a lot of these songs that are on this album so I started looking and I thought we could do a list of the greatest songs ever

[75:01]that feature the dobro guitar oh I'm excited for this I'm excited for this well this is just like my good friend who's a baker he was kind of my dobro your dobro you just wanted a dobro that's what you say if you're trying to get a ball of dough from the neighborhood pizza shop can I get some dobro that's my joke that's Matt's advice but no I got it different it was a slight spin and a call back to Matt's previous advice from other episodes Rob if you can repeat your jokes we can repeat your jokes that's a good point listen some of us drink a lot of drinks on Father's Day and we might be hanging on by a thread at this point so we're doing our best I need to speed these songs up a little bit sometimes the greatest compliment is actually flattery so I appreciate it so normally these I'm sorry for stepping on your list normally these dobro guitars are for blues or bluegrass or folk or country music but there was actually some of this in a rock song in 1970s check out the beginning

[76:01]of Lola by the Kinks you'll hear this that's such a great sound it's a great sound I mean I never knew what that was I never knew how they did that now can I tell you something shameful about this song in my life is it about your kinks or not cool no the kinks shame hey you suck you need the guy at the kinks concert hold up his side saying no kinks shaming yeah I'm at the concert and I'm in the port-a-potty underneath like hey you can't be in there I'm like you came here for the kinks now you're getting it now you're mad at me either way I'm gonna just go out on a limb right now that is the kind of kink that we can shame all right so I don't care what Aaron says

[77:02]I am gonna kink shame by the way I texted you guys a link to multiple stories where that happened so if you want to check that out later feel free happy father's day all right next song on the list is from 1987 this is a country song we haven't done a ton of country music on this on this podcast not enough country music this is Randy Travis forever and ever amen best country western song oh my god this guy's voice great song and you hear this come in you hear it yes and Aaron I think you're right they probably are playing that dobro there with the slide I think that's normally how you play it you're right and I'm gonna say Randy Travis that was one of the car tapes we had growing up where it was just in the car for like five years and it's just what you listen to every time you got the car that song right has Rolling Stone done like a top 500 love songs because that would that should be in the top 25 because that song fucking rules

[78:00]what about the one where they they stole the person's dog or was that a breakup song Aaron give me back my give me back my dog it's a different genre can you imagine imagine being Russ's uncle listen to the music part well you're fucking missing out buddy you know what's next song on the list this might be one of my favorite country music songs ever Aaron I know you would have loved this one back in college Matt I feel like this could be up your alley too it's it's a great day to be alive by Travis Tritt I think two years straight in the baseball locker room every day Joe from Woodbury we know Darren from from Bloomington and now or not Darren from Bloomington loves this one Zach from Colorado not listening God I love this song so much Travis Travis Tritt always had a name that remind that made me think it was

[79:01]a dirty thing you could say to somebody like oh look at that Travis Tritt over there and I was such a big Travis Tritt's fan growing up that I had a shirt saying how much I love Travis Tritt what did it you know and it said I'm a I'm a big TT fan oh and I got in so much trouble wearing that big tell that joke your uncle next time you see him okay I'll I'll jot it down for him you can edit this out if you want but I distinctly remember going to the tattoo shop one time for one of my appointments and there was a guy talking to my artist wearing a t-shirt that just said titty city she's like plain t-shirt white letters titty city let's see I want something that's not subtle at all who the hell wears that shirt A what does he do what does he do for a living and B what woman talks to him right right well he was probably a tattoo artist

[80:01]I would imagine he was like another artist if a woman does talk to you you know like this is this is a downloader for sure it's like the Nigerian I got two million dollars in an account I need you to get right he's at the tattoo guy he goes listen you see this shirt yeah it says titty city on it sometimes I'm not wearing this shirt at the beach did you just tattoo titty city underneath where this would be thanks I appreciate it you know the 40 the 45 people in the world that do own that t-shirt all wore it to that restaurant that Rob went to in Vegas I would guess I don't want to wear a possible gown you're covering up my titty city shirt either that or they go to the Hayward KOA over Memorial Day let me tell you Aaron's like sweet titty city shirt anyway can I get a birdcage tattooed on me thank you deep cut I get the state of Iowa yeah that was a way deep cut deep cut well speaking of Iowa I do love that Travis Tristan

[81:00]this next song is we need a little bluegrass Rob was talking about bluegrass last week this is Alison Krauss Choctaw Choctaw Hayride from 2001 check this out man it's cut so that's a dobro you got a dobro and then I think there's a the fiddle going with it too or a banjo too whoa that sounds I don't know if we've done any Alison Krauss before but I was I was reading she had to have been inspired to some extent by Lucinda Williams because she actually released an album with Robert Plant a couple of them and her second album I think she just re-released an album with Robert Plant and they actually covered this song Can't Let Go by Lucinda Williams on it the last song on the list this is a band that when I was listening to Lucinda Williams I heard this band over and over it's Little Big Town the song is Boondocks you guys remember this one many many episodes ago where I thought there was a round but there's also a dobro in it you can kind of hear it

[82:00]in the background the dobro I can't but I can't like the callback to the round well I've pulled up the time because last time when we did the round it took me like 20 minutes to find it but I've got the exact time cue for you guys to hear the round and determine is this a round or not I'm so excited I'm so excited this is better too bad that was edited out that's a real bummer when I can hear the round that's a bummer alright here we go here's a round no here's a round sounds like a round to me oh here we go row row row your boat row row row your boat the streets this is a round this is a round this is a round but I heard like you guys remember that song Little White Church by Little Big Town I heard that type of music when I was listening to this Lucinda Williams album did you guys hear any of that oh yeah I don't know that song well you're hearing it below

[83:00]so the one thing I gotta say I'm finishing up on the list here it turns out the guy who played the dobro on the last four songs on this list was named Jerry Douglas and he's this famous dobro player but he actually won a lifetime achievement award from the American Music Association in 2011 the same year that Lucinda Williams won the same award so so I thought that was a pretty cool thing God Russell you're just a genius I mean and I gotta tell you that was a top five list that was easily a top five list oh yeah you think that guy is saying that he's from Titty City or that like it's like now I'm thinking about it or it's just where he likes to hang out I'm not sure I should I should get more information I lost it I lost it oh what a voice I mean listen this one felt a little bit louder a little more southerny rock don't you think yeah yeah

[84:00]it's more anthemic yeah but it's like that dragging drum beat too like it's just so creative and like I'm telling you every one of these songs you don't have to hear a single lyric you know what it's about you get the feeling of it I love it but the lyrics aren't great if you have time to listen oh they're totally there's that first song I mean I could listen to that one a lot standing up or lying down all right metal firecracker just take your bracelets off if you're gonna listen to that one well this is gonna change my whole nighttime routine now but yeah but bracelets off I the thing is like oh take off my watch how am I gonna get so many steps then you know what I mean like I'm getting 50,000 steps a day on the weekend especially without schools done oh my god I'm getting steps like crazy metal firecracker final song on the album it is right oh I think there's like four more I was like yeah there's gotta be more right I was curious

[85:00]I think this this episode's coming out right around July 4th what are your thoughts on firecrackers are you guys fireworks guys you buy fireworks you light them off what are your thoughts I like when everybody else spends $5,000 each on it and then I can just sit out in a boat in the middle of the lake and watch them shoot them off and so I appreciate everybody else who loves them and wants to fire them off so my dog is absolutely terrified of fireworks he goes he like just starts like going crazy breathing hard he hates storms he hates all that stuff I still love him screw that dog I think it's great I love I am such a dumb caveman brain where if you used to add me out washing fireworks and I was wearing my titty city shirt I'd be the happiest happiest clam oh man Greenville so this one I pulled a little clip that actually has Emmylou Harris singing harmony with her and Aaron do you want to guess what this song's about about an ex it's about breaking up with somebody who's a loser break up with a loser yeah I don't think so

[86:00]I don't think so I don't think none of us can relate to which by the way wordle word today on fathers I know what the hell you drink hard liquor you come on strong this sounds like a way that I got dumped numerous times after online dates like this guy's drinking Tennessee whiskey all morning sorry babe I only drink Metallica whiskey that's all I drink all right and I come on strong I still long for your kiss this opening it's really sweet of you to say this is kind of a good groove for a country love song feels a little Tennessee whiskey this sounds like kind of doesn't it a little bit R&B yeah a little bit R&B to me like this could have been covered by an R&B band I think Aaron do you want to guess what this song is about is it about breaking up with an ex actually this one is about lamenting a lost love so it's a little bit different I think she got I would dump the one that got away

[87:00]if I dated her I'd be like I cannot wait for the perfect time to dump her I'm going to get a song out of this yes sir that's what I would have liked to hear Etta James I mean obviously like switching around chronology but like Etta James do it in a bar with a sweet R&B band like that would be that's what I want to hear any of these like a kind of a Motown stack sound I think would be so so good Joy this is from oh Aaron you want to guess what this one's about someone taking her joy yeah this is this is her breaking up she really she's not going to date rock and roll guys anymore quote I'm done with the fucking games and that rock and roll bullshit I'm done with the bad boys sorry Matt Matt does this Matt does this get a nomination for your top 100 song list look Aaron and I we can't stop grooving to this right now like how can you not groove to this song this is my favorite song on the album and did we ever talk like Steve Earle was one of the producers on this he's playing the resonator guitar on this one it's like Steve Earle's famous Steve Earle like he was one of the

[88:00]main producers and played a lot of the guitar on it like he's famous Copperhead Road and what else did he sing that was great back in the day well I learned about Steve Earle because one time Russell and our friend Darren from Bloomington were working at the college radio station and they grabbed a free CD of Steve Earle's Transcendental Blues and brought it to me and they were like Rosie this has blues on it you might like it and I wore that thing out I love that album so much to this day and I didn't know a thing about Steve Earle so I gotta give Russell credit for that one what is it about wasn't he also in your favorite TV show he was in The Wire yeah he was Waylon in The Wire I thought he was in The Wire I was like Russell loves My Name is Earl that much I haven't thought about that show in years it's like he's in my favorite TV show Ojam and Earl I had like a moment the other day where Steve Earle was opening for a band up at St. Cloud there's a amphitheater a new amphitheater that's open Matt I don't know if you've been up to it or you know about it I have not no it's been August will be

[89:00]one year yeah and so Steve Earle was actually opening for a band that was gonna be up there but they were sold out but I was looking at going and then I was like how much is this taking over my life where I saw he's a producer on the album so now I gotta go see him in concert is my taking the podcast too seriously if I was considering going to see Steve Earle no you can do way worse stuff what's the alternative yeah you can be selling drugs like Steve Earle yeah listening to my uncle rattle on and on and on about the podcast at his daughter's wedding if your uncle shows up in a Titty City shirt Russell you know this is the second part of this podcast you show up in a Titty City shirt you might listen to the second part of this podcast if you've got strong opinions about Russell's list you might listen to the second part of this podcast this next song I love Jackson right one of my top three songs called Jackson of all time this is a song where she now Aaron this one's a little bit different this is after a breakup she is now driving from eastern Texas

[90:00]through these different cities and by the end she's kind of gotten over the breakup but just like the fact that she would think to write a song she would think to write a song like that like it's so a breakup so you hear her talk about Lafayette Baton Rouge Vicksburg she's driving fast slow is there a sweater vest involved what's the it's a pretty slow song I don't know it sounds like she's driving slowly and I gotta admit like halfway through the song you can actually hear a big truck drive by cause he's gotta get down to Baton Rouge real quick too so it's a I heard will the circle be unbroken here do you hear that kind of the same vibe yeah yeah you're right yeah yeah you're right and I gotta play plug it again you wanna get into this kind of music if you like this kind of music Nitty Gritty Dirt Band has a box set of May the Circle be Unbroken look it up love it listen to it maybe install it in Tony Hawk I'll be playing that obsessively when you're about 23 and so you've heard the album one million times it's a good way to do it oh beautiful beautiful beautiful what do you think of this as a closing I thought it was

[91:00]pretty spot on for a closer on this album don't you guys think I think it sums up the album pretty well right I mean I don't know these songs all sounded to me like for an album that's so similar throughout it each song sounded pretty distinct I think you can really tell that this was an album that she really was thoughtful and put a lot of care into picking the songs and picking the order like you can tell she's pretty methodical I like yeah I like that she seems very concerned with place yeah in this and geography on this album and this this final track really brings it home about the places she's talking about Matt I just I just think it's it sounds like an album that took a very long time to write because I think you can hear clearly different styles different songs that might sound alike you know you know they're coming from the same artist but you know that joy song it wasn't my it was your guy's favorite I don't want to not that I don't dislike it but it wasn't exactly my favorite because it's I like those softer more Americana type songs I think and so that one

[92:01]felt out of place for me on this album but you know I think it it sounds like an album that took a very long time like you know in 1996 she wrote this song in 1997 she wrote these two I think you're right Matt I was reading that Steve Earle once said that because he's worked with her a number of times but he said this was like the most painful album he ever worked on and I think he meant it in like a complimentary way because she was a perfectionist about things and like we've talked about other artists that were perfectionists about their music too but I think it's shown through on this album and he's come out since then and said yeah I think people misconstrued that quote thinking I didn't enjoy it it's just like this album was just a lot of work like because you're working with somebody who what this is I mean this is this is 18 years after her first album like 19 years like it's like you're you're getting somebody who knows what they're doing and has pretty damn high standards sorry to swear like that I didn't mean to do that so it's kids listening at home okay sorry I said damn it's my fault I'll work on it I can be Brian

[93:00]Brian's I can be a better person to us with his van with his kids daddy what's titty city titty city this whole time I've been trying to rhyme like something for decolletage with like metropolis you know or like a different city I just cannot I am racking my brains corset village that doesn't even rhyme but it's now cleavage village it's not quite cleavage oh there's something there god it's just a little thread I just want to pull it listen we are getting into my patented and very popular except for Russell's uncle rating system section where we actually give our opinion on the album everybody loves it okay to our caller today who finally got through one you know what I'm starting to think maybe this podcast is a disaster when basically we've had two separate incidents of people saying like I don't listen to the whole show it's like oh but we actually listen to the music part of your music podcast okay I just like the part where you guys talk about

[94:00]inflating your thing and walking to the parking which I get I actually get that listen we have a rating system on the show and we're just going to set it back because somebody I can't remember if it was Einstein or that other smart person that I'm forgetting right now because all I can think of is titty city again came up with that is this album this album is at 98 98 98 and is doesn't belong there okay that would be a rolling well-toned okay this is perfect this is right where it belongs this is like breaking up with somebody and you're still kind of friends but not the kind of friends where you have to sit together at a wedding you can actually not have to talk to each other so that's the perfect kind of breakup is this a rolling groan okay you don't think this album should have been at 98 it should be lower on the list you can't stand this album why is it here and then or is this a rolling bone this album should have been way higher why haven't we heard this music before this is kind of like if you break up with somebody and then they show up later with a giant

[95:00]burrito okay it's actually the good kind of breakup where they actually are I want to come back and they know how to how to get your attention so what do we think rolling well-toned rolling boned or rolling groan Aaron what do you think Lucinda Williams car tires on a gravel road Aaron let's car wheels on a gravel road right now I car wheels also don't think I had ever listened to this album start to finish I was aware of Lucinda Williams but never listened to something start to finish I never got tired of it this is an all-day on repeat album for me I think that it's beautiful songwriting it's perfectly recorded it for me is a rolling bone it should have been higher Aaron you're so smart I this I this is you're brilliant Russell what do you think rolling well-toned rolling bone or rolling groan car tires car wheels on a gravel road cartwheels what about like truck axles on a gravel road I could never get the full cart

[96:00]way you wait man Russell you could do a round off no no hell no I was gonna say I was gonna say put this camera down put the camera down a little lower back up let's see it right now what we had talked I'd never listened to this album and I came into this thinking it was a country album I didn't know enough about it I just thought it was a country album and I was like how could this be the number one country album on the list I out of all the stuff I've heard I've never heard this how can it be so high but slide guitar the steel guitar mandolins harmonica accordion I just love the music on this one I thought Lucinda's like singing style was awesome I love the variety I'll definitely listen to this again and I might even buy it on vinyl if I come across some spare dough bro rolling bone it should be high on the list oh my god perfect I'm so so sorry that you have to follow that but Matt what do you think rolling well-toned rolling bone or rolling grown well I I agree with everyone that I think it's a great album probably try to listen to it

[97:00]again if it falls in I mean I I've been listening I mean like I can't stop listening to Lana Del Rey these days oh yeah things like that I mean this some of the new stuff by Taylor Swift I mean there's just a whole there's just so much stuff like this out there now I I did rambling on in a long episode but I a lot of these I had trouble with a lot of these albums until Rosie last week you said it seemed like when they redid the list in 2020 that they started coming up with kind of you know why is Madonna on the list why is all these popular albums from the 80s not on the list you know because they started going to more of the obscure ones that are maybe cool enough I think like this is that I mean like how is this ahead of anything that Sheryl Crow did in the 90s you know things like that like because I was trying that's all I could try to compare it with and you know she does everything and she's a great writer and all that stuff but like I just feel like this is getting slotted in here in the top 100 because

[98:00]of the cool alt nature and it seems like a popular pick at the time so I'm I'm gonna say it's rolling grown I don't think it should be in the top 100 I think it's an excellent album but I think there's so many more above it that maybe we're more influential you know maybe had a bigger impact just from a total album sales side of things but I'm gonna say it's rolling grown I hear you personally yeah I well I mean what are the chances though that a bunch of writers for Rolling Stone magazine would pick some kind of off-center artists to just show how much they know about music that doesn't sound like them right that doesn't sound like people I know no that's so weird no no no never folks unfortunately you're incorrect okay 98 times in a row and I'm just gonna warn you one more and you will be kicked out of Titty City okay so it's Titty City actually when you get there is very there's a lot of rules like you wouldn't expect I thought you got a hundred it's very corporate I thought you got a hundred it's it's there's I mean it's Titty City's a tough

[99:00]place to live a lot it's the HOA rules are crazy okay I don't even want to get into them and that HOA president forget about it listen listen this album is a rolling emo shown like you listen to this you know exactly how she's feeling within the first five beats of the song like it's again this one to me I don't think there's there's any wasted breath I just got this is one where I this is another dorm room album right you put this on in the dorm room you're setting up a vibe you're ready to go it's it's just crazy this came out in 98 when we were hanging out in dorm rooms and I never once put this on in a dorm room and that was a mistake we should have been listening to this back then well some people actually their dorm rooms their beds were so thin that they could barely fit in and out which in retrospect is probably why I didn't meet more girls I was like hey come on back to my place wait a minute let me measure how wide you are man never mind I'm not gonna fit my little toes let me measure you don't see me come